Is Edwards the only top 3 with a GLBT Issues section on their website?

[bicentennial_baby]

I just perused all 3, and I could only find a GLBT section on Edwards'. I'm a Kucinich supporter, fwiw, and I find this a tad bit disturbing.

Anyone? :hi:

[dbackjon]

1. Hmmm - can't find anything on Obama's site

His civil rights section only talks about blacks and women.

I guess, as is apparent from his campaign, that he doesn't beleive in GAY CIVIL RIGHTS.

[bicentennial_baby]

2. I noticed that...Hm

This is really bugging me. x(

[dbackjon]

3. Nothing on Hillary's site...

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Well that about sums it up for me....sigh.

x(

[Nailzberg]

54. Look again

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

[dbackjon]

5. OK HILLARY AND OBAMA SUPPORTORS

WHAT SAY YOU??

[Dawgs]

14. See Post #8

[no name no slogan]

6. Don't ask, don't tell

:hide:

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Seems like it...

Sigh. I"m sticking with DK.

[cindyw]

8. Obama page is under "People" not "Issues" tab

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Paid for by Obama for America
Speak up. Tell Barack your story at:
www.BarackObama.com/issues
or by calling
312-496-6614
Expand Hate Crimes Statutes
In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported.
Obama co-sponsored legislation to expand federal hate crimes law to include crimes perpetrated
because of sexual orientation or gender identity.
Fight Workplace Discrimination and Promote Rights
Obama believes the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orienta-
tion and gender identity. Obama sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employ-
ment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples
Barack Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as
married couples, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency as well as equal
health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights. Obama also believes we need
to fully repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal
legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex
couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions.
Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage
Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would have defined marriage as between
a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmar-
ried couples.
Repeal Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell
Obama believes we need to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. The key test for military service
should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Obama will work with military leaders
to repeal the current policy and ensure we accomplish our national defense goals.
Fight AIDS Worldwide
Obama has been a global leader in the fight against AIDS. He traveled to Kenya and took a public HIV
test to encourage testing and reduce the stigma of the disease. Obama worked to reauthorize the Ryan
White CARE Act, one of the largest sources of federal funds for primary health care and support services
for HIV/AIDS patients.
Barack Obama supports the LGBT community.
Barack Obama
on LGBT RIGHTS

[dbackjon]

9. So we are not an "ISSUE" to be concerned about?

I find his lack of inclusion under the civil rights issue to be insulting, and shows that he TRULY doesn't give a shit about us.

[Dawgs]

11. That's a joke, right?

He's respecting you more as 'people' than an 'issue'.

You guys really need to try harder.

[dbackjon]

19. Not at all - we should be in BOTH places

Obama is saying that LGBT issues are NOT civil rights issues. That is BULL SHIT. He puts down some warm and fuzzy feel good words, but notice, he does not think us important enough to include in his civil rights section, which I am sure is a delibrate political calculation.

[Maven]

23. He already said marriage is not a civil right in 2004

Even though Loving v. Virginia held that it was in the 1960s.

Now why would a Harvard-trained civil rights lawyer not know the holding of Loving v. Virginia?

[bicentennial_baby]

40. Don't remind me...

I hate that my candidate is the ONLY one for marriage equality, and he has no goddamn chance. x(

[Dawgs]

39. So, John Edwards doesn't have it under any civil rights section.

Does that mean it's a deliberate political calculation?

Your post is beyond stupid. I can't believe I'm even responding to it.

[dbackjon]

43. Stupid is as stupid does

Excuse me for wanting civil rights.

I will go back quietly to my closet, and wait for you straight people to decide when I am worthy of coming out.

[Dawgs]

48. What the fuck are you talking about? They both have a section for GLBT rights.

Blame them for not making it easier to find, but quit implying that they don't care because you can't find it right away.

[bicentennial_baby]

10. So it doesn't merit being included in Issues?

Interesting...

[Dawgs]

12. Come on.

It's where he placed it on his website. The point is it's there.

I know you're unhappy that someone found it, but pointing out that he doesn't have it where you like doesn't change the fact that it is there.

[bicentennial_baby]

16. I'm not unhappy, it's just that, for me,

GLBT issues are important enough to be included with Health Care, the War, etc. Hell, he even has a Families section, but nothing on GLBT. I like a candidate that takes a stronger stance on something that is incredibly important to me. Sorry if that bothers you. :)

[Dawgs]

24. So where he places it on his website shows that he's taking a stronger stance.

Excuse me if I call bullshit.

Obama is showing that he takes "peoples" issues more seriously by creating a whole menu of it's own on his website. I would commend someone for it. But, if I was a hater, and couldn't come up with a good reason otherwise, I might choose what you said.

[Maven]

25. I think the idea is that it compartmentalizes the issue as a personal, rather than public concern

And not placed side-by-side with other civil rights issues

[Dawgs]

28. This is beyond ridiculous.

I can't believe the stupidity of some of these responses.

[dbackjon]

46. yes, your responses ARE idiotic.

[bicentennial_baby]

30. Exactly

:)

[Occam Bandage]

13. Wow, he considers gays "people?" Shocking and offensive.

[Maven]

15. On Hillary's site it's under Issues: Strengthening our Democracy

There's a sidebar that says "Hillary's Plans" and within that there are links for civil rights and GLBT.

On Obama's site, you have to look under People-GLBT and the link is there for positions.

[Occam Bandage]

17. Yeah, just found that. A small section, but it does indeed exist.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/lgbt/

[dbackjon]

22. Thanks

Again, disapointing that one has to search so hard for it, unlike the Edwards site.

[Uncle Sinister]

29. She sure doesn't make it easy to find

I appreciate the link, but how do you find it from her front page?

Odd, especially since Hil has a wonderful proven track record on GLBT issues.

She can't want to hide her stance and record (I don't think) maybe just bad website design

[Maven]

31. It's poor categorization

You have to look in the same place for her stands on racial equality and people with disabilities, and I doubt she's trying to hide those.

[Uncle Sinister]

52. Think I'm just going to chalk this one up to bad web design

[Occam Bandage]

32. Actually, I just used Google search.

site:http://www.hillaryclinton.com gay

though you can from Issues:Strengthening Our Democracy, GLBT link in upper-right-hand corner.

[bicentennial_baby]

18. Thanks, I'll check it out

:hi:

[asdjrocky]

20. The only one I know of.

And good luck to you. Just a brief aside, John Edwards cares about Americans. ALL Americans.

[bicentennial_baby]

21. Thanks...I liked your Iowa posts!

Good job! :hi:

[asdjrocky]

38. Thanks so much-

I enjoy everything I see from you.

[Dawgs]

26. So does Hillary and Obama.

Implying otherwise doesn't help you or your candidate.

And, both Obama and Hillary have GLBT sections on their websites. Of course, stating something that's not true as fact seems to be a common practice around here.

[asdjrocky]

37. Show me the link dude...

I didn't say they didn't have it, I said Edwards was the only one I know of.

[Dawgs]

42. No. You can find them in this thread yourself.

[asdjrocky]

49. Someone asked a question-

And I answered it. You said it was there, but you won't show me.

Relax man, your guys ahead. I'm not trying to have a fight here, in fact, I was responding to the OP, not you.

Good luck to your candidate.

[readmoreoften]

27. It's more buried on the other candidates' sites.

It's there, but less in the open. Whether this is a reflection of position or an accident of web layout I have no idea.

[bicentennial_baby]

33. I wish I knew...

I'm open to the possibility that it's the latter, I guess.

[Dawgs]

35. Quit lying. You're not open to it.

You're just embarrassing yourself.

[bicentennial_baby]

36. You should calm down...

I'm not an Obama hater, or a Clinton hater, for that matter. Take a breath. Jeez.

[Dawgs]

44. Sure.

As soon as you quit implying that the location where Obama puts a section on his website means that he cares less about an issue.

[bicentennial_baby]

45. I am entitled to my opinion, as are you

:)

[Der Blaue Engel]

56. You're the only one embarrassing yourself in this thread

Dawgs.

edited for inexplicable use of quotes

[Dawgs]

34. It's not buried. It's just as easy to get to Obama's GLBT section as any issue section.

He chose to seperate people into it's section because they thought it was important to give each group it's own section.

Really, this does not look good on the Edward's supporters. Maybe it's desperation. I don't know. It sure looks stupid though.

[asdjrocky]

41. Why are you being so rude?

Really, doesn't help your candidate.

[Dawgs]

47. I'm sorry. I assumed you understand what the definition of "buried" meant.

My bad.

[asdjrocky]

51. You're so funny.

[readmoreoften]

50. Talk about desperate. Stop stalking me.

LGBT issues are simply laid out more clearly on Edward's website. You have to download PDFs to get to policy on Obama's site. His "issues" categories are cloudy in their separation from the "people" category. Why is "faith" under issues and not LGBT concerns? Wouldn't 'faith' be under people and not 'issues'? Why is there a section called "family" (as opposed to Edwards' working families section which limits itself to economic issues) contain strange gender policies like 'fatherhood' initiatives?

The first place I head to on a site is to see where the candidate stands on "issues".

You're damn straight I'm 'desperate'. I want to be able to have a job without being fired for being gay and I want to make sure if my partner is in the hospital, I'll be able to take care of her and won't be barred from seeing her because of hospital policy. You better believe I'm going to vet your candidate and every other candidate.

[bicentennial_baby]

Well put!

Especially the last sentence. :thumbsup:

[Dawgs]

55. Fine. Blame him for not laying out his website better.

I just think I'm pissed that people are going bat-shit crazy with where canidates are placing their issue pages.

And, you should be ecstatic about all of the candidates GLBT sections. They will all take care of you. If you don't think so, please show me where Edwards or Hillary is better than Obama.

[zulchzulu]

53. Obama's site has LGBT issues addressed in...

...Civil Rights and in the Healthcare issue section. Then, as mentioned, there is an LGBT section in the People section.

www.barackobama.com

On using Civil Rights and Healthcare, it's about civil rights for ALL and in healthcare, fighting AIDS and other matters.

It's pretty comprehensive is you want to give it a look. If you were thinking that Obama wouldn't dare put that stuff on his site, you are incorrect.