I am switching my primary vote to Hillary

[realFedUp]

I was going for DK in the CA primary because I wanted
the dialogue to include his stands on policy as much
as I realize he doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming
the next President. Now I'll vote for Hillary. I was
a Deaniac because he involved my heart, mind and hope
that we would remove Bush Inc. I also knew he was
a straight talker on the war and more and he'd work
hard to take our country back.

Frankly the next President will need the next four years
to clean up and undo Bush Inc.'s devastingly bad policies.
There will be no money for pie in the sky stuff.

The next president will have to know how the system
works and know the people, here and abroad who he or she will be dealing
with. Hillary knows the system, from state government,
to non-profits, to the federal government, executive
and legislative branches.

I want someone pragmatic and hard-working. Hillary is
that. Frankly she and Bill have had everything thrown
at them including the kitchen sink and there was nothing
there there except Bill's infidelities. She stood tall
through all that, being vetted thoroughly by the rightwing
propoganda machine and kept working throughout.

She's tested. We know her strength and we know she'd at
least make her best efforts to clean up the huge mess
we're in now.

She works for me.

[realFedUp]

1. I am away from my computer til afternoon...n/t

[oldtime dfl_er]

2. Hillary Clinton will be a good president

That's what's important, that's what your message says, and that's why I am now seriously leaning toward a Clinton-Edwards ticket.

[MadBadger]

4. It wont happen, and Edwards would be the biggest sell out in the world if it did.

[AmBlue]

20. You can "lean" all you want...

...but Edwards won't go for VP. Mark my words.

[oldtime dfl_er]

34. I wondered that myself

in a thread yesterday. Someone else replied that these are unusual times, and anything could happen. I'm of the opinion that he won't, since conventional wisdom is that you don't run for VP twice (if you lost the first time), but I'm open to anything and I like the ticket.

[bvar22]

80. Edwards has pledged to FIGHT Corporate Control of Washington,

not JOIN it!

[realFedUp]

65. I love your graphic btw

I wonder if Edwards would go for another VP run?
What do you think?

[redqueen]

3. From Kucinich straight to Clinton?

That's one hell of a switch.

[Eurobabe]

5. you got that...

wow.

[redqueen]

8. I'd be lying if I didn't say I was suspicious as all hell.

:hi:

[oldtime dfl_er]

7. From unviable Dem to viable Dem?

Sounds like a reasonable leap to me.

[redqueen]

9. Are you frickin kiddin with this crap?

:rofl:

[oldtime dfl_er]

13. Um.. you went from Kucinich to Edwards

I'll say no more, except that your Krishnamurti quote implies that you've actually read some Krishnamurti. His message is one of absolute inclusiveness, an end to divisiveness and conflict. Just sayin.

[redqueen]

17. And Edwards is just like Clinton?

Yeah, I've read some Krishnammurti. That doesn't mean I'm going to spend my time on DU ignoring nonsensical crap to make nice nice.

:wtf:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. Uhm, yeah, he kinda is just like Clinton.

The only difference is that Edwards hasn't been in the Senate for the last 4 years, meaning he's had the freedom to do and say whatever he wanted over that period of time without any fear of reprisal.

[redqueen]

25. So Edwards six years ago is just like Clinton.

Okily dokily, your opinion is duly noted.

I'm not basing my opinion of Edwards on what he did years ago, but his plans and ideas NOW. Which, IMMHO, are quite a bit different from Clinton's.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

32. Well of course they are different now.

He was always running for President against Hillary, so why would he come up with an identical platform to hers? He's every bit the shrewd, conniving bastard that Hillary is, please make no mistake about that, and at the core, they are pretty much the same politically as well.

[inthebrain]

45. His 180 leads one to suspect that he is 90% full of shit.

Edwards is plainly just trying to get elected.

Some of the shennanigans that have been attributed to Edwards during the 04 campaign makes him highly suspect. He was the reason why Kerry never really came out on the war.

[redqueen]

47. Leads *you* to suspect, you mean... cause it doesn't lead me that way.

No idea what you're trying to say with that last claim.

As for shennanigans... details?

[inthebrain]

50. Anyone that's viewed his voting record while in congress is not so easily fooled

It's a black and white fact with no getting around it.

He was a pro corporate senator.

As far as the shennanigans, he was the one that encouraged Kerry not to come out against the war. That stance more than the swift boat ads suck Kerry. That's all Edwards fault and why AFTER the election he issued an apology.

John Edwards is a pipe cleaner jesus. One really has to put blinders on afet reviewing his record to deny the obvious.

[redqueen]

51. Are you going to next go off on how Kucinich used to be anti-choice?

We all know the candidates' histories. You're not coming up with groundbreaking revelations here, you know. I know his record and I'm comfortable accepting his turnaround since then as genuine.

Please provide some source for your assertion that Kerry didn't come out against the war because Edwards suggested he not do so. I don't remember that at all...

[inthebrain]

52. LOL ,You're joking right?

I have no problem with people bringing that up and discussing it. THEY SHOULD DISCUSS IT!!!

As a matter of scale, even on that flaw Kooch's record and rhetoric stand up much better than Edwards, Clinton and Obama.

Even using that you can't win. It pales in comparison.

[redqueen]

53. We have a different take on it. Agree to disagree.

Just out of curiosity... who do you support?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

48. I'd say there's no daylight between our top three candidates. Not a dime's worth. nt

nt

[redqueen]

49. Healthcare not such a big issue to you? (nt)

[truebrit71]

10. No shit....that's almost as amazing as "undecideds" not knowing wheteher to vote for McCain or Obama

....you know, because they're so alike and stuff.... :crazy:

[tblue37]

40. Do you remember the SNL sketch during the 2000 race

where the focus group kept hearing details about the extreme differences between Gore and Bush?

A citizen would say, "This is what I am most concerned about," and then Bush would say something that showed he was going to do the exact opposite of what they wanted, while Gore would explain his position, which was identical to what they wanted. Then the citizen would say, "I don't know. I'm just not hearing anything that would help me choose between them. They are just so similar."

[bicentennial_baby]

14. Reading my mind!

:rofl:

:thumbsup:

[maddiejoan]

15. I understand it

I'm a New Yorker who made the same switch.

[redqueen]

18. Did you switch for the same reason?

Which from what I can tell... boils down to "strength"?

:shrug:

[maddiejoan]

19. almost exactly the same reasons

it's as if the OP ripped the reasons out of my brain

[redqueen]

23. There was more than one reason?

[maddiejoan]

31. yeah

read the post.

Knows how to work the system, pragmatic, strong -- shall I go on?

[redqueen]

35. Nope.

Thanks. :hi:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. So Clinton's Iraq War votes don't bother you?

That's what I don't understand. To vote for Clinton is, to my mind, to vote for the war. I'll vote for Kucinich in the primary to make one more stand against the war, just as I protested before the war began in 2003. A futile effort then, and perhaps a futile effort now. But I know that when I meet my Maker, I can stand in good conscience because I have held true to my principles.

I'm assuming your principles are different, and don't mean to offend. But ending the war means more to me than winning votes in a primary.

[maddiejoan]

38. They bother me as much

as they bother Hillary.

She regrets them and has said it was a mistake. She was wrong to vote for this resolution that was co-sponsored by Edwards.
And Obama doesn't even know how he would have voted. He has said as much.



When I meet my maker, I am also sure I am voting in good conscience, and true to my principles.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

39. Kucinich didn't vote for any of it

which is why I'm staying true to him. I'm glad you think Mrs. Clinton is bothered by her votes. Her recent voting record, however, makes me wonder.

[maddiejoan]

42. I send money to Kucinich

and I'm unemployed at the moment.

I don't send money to Clinton.

I want him to continue to fight.

But I'm not wasting my primary vote in this close of a horse race. So it's going to Hillary.

[realFedUp]

60. I've moved on and compromised

I applaud DK...I wish he could be President and
at least his stands which I agree with. He was
right, as many of us were about all sorts of
issues. Even thought he was right, I don't see
this election happening for him so I am compromising and
thinking pragmatically about the one candidate who
has experienced the White House, traveled to more
than 80 countries as First Lady and often as the
President's proxy on matters and knows how the
process works on the Federal, state and NGO levels.
She also knows how to get things done on a state level.
I don't agree with all her past votes but I have
hope she will listen to our voices in the future.

If I were a company head looking at her resume, I'd hire her.

[LostinVA]

29. Other people on here said taht last night

I was surprised, too.

[realFedUp]

54. Yeah, it is

I can't really explain it...I guess like going from
a Democrat to a Republican and I always thought that
was weird...or Democrat to NeoCon.
I still agree with all DK's policies and would want
all of them carried out by the next President, but
I'm pragmatic and there is no way that DK will be
elected in 2008. If he even made it as the Dem nominee
which we can already see (if not in NH, where?) he'd
never be voted in by most Independents. Maybe I'm
wrong...but instead of throwing my vote away in the
CA primary, I'm voting for the candidate who I think
has the exact experience that will be needed right
away to straighten out the real mess in this country.

[redqueen]

71. In all honesty, I'm glad you've found another candidate to support.

Best of luck. :toast:

[sandnsea]

6. People are hilarious, that'sall I know

Hillary will destroy any movement to the left by this party and the country. What happened to "but he voted for the war"!!!!

[goldcanyonaz]

11. Very well thought out endorsement for Hillary Clinton. We're so happy to have you on board.

[asdjrocky]

12. How in the hell do you go from DK to Hillary? n/t

[dmallind]

26. Not everyone is a linear purist

I mean my own ranking is Richardson first then Edwards second. To people who worry about positions on a spectrum that's a big leap, but in reality it's simply because I add up the sum total of their policy positions weighted by their importance to me and see who will increase benefit or reduce harm the most. This means Edwards' very much moderate economic plans and valid healthcare plans outweigh any discomfort with his decidely UNmoderate applause lines. I couldn't care less that he supposedly occupies the left-most position on the spectrum amongst viable candidates whereas my first choice occupies the right-most (and is not viable). I care about what they'll do and how well they'll do it, not some subjective position on a scale of perceived progressiveness or lack thereof.

[William769]

16. Welcome aboard!

[jackstraw45]

21. From Kucinich to Clinton - WOW!

Talk about a shift...

Welcome to American Idol politics.

[jackstraw45]

24. "There will be no money for pie in the sky stuff."

You mean like HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, AID for VETERANS, the HOMELESS?

Oh wait, that's right, Hillary has already voted to send about 1 TRILLION dollars ($1,000,000,000,000)to Iraq!

[redqueen]

27. Thanks for addressing that.

That was a head-scratcher for sure.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

37. I guess Americans

don't want those things, doncha know. They like war and paying insurance companies big bucks for nothing. And ignore the veterans and homeless. They are stupid fools. :sarcasm:

[realFedUp]

55. I guess what I meant is....

Money will have to be reallocated for domestic programs
from the vast overweighted defense budget. Our debt to
China et al will definitely have to addressed. Pie in
the sky to me means giving lots of promises of stuff that
can't realistically be provided.

We really need a reality check.

[Armstead]

28. A very strange leap -- From one end to the other

There are at least two gradations between Dennis and Hillary, and that would be Edwards and Obama.

To go from a totally principled choice of candidate to a complete capitulation of everything Kucinich represents seems to be a bit of an extreme jump.

[rAVES]

69. Total bullshit though, He/she never supported DK.... no frigging way

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

30. That is your right

I will vote my heart in my primary and vote for Kucinich. I feel his positions on Iraq and health care are the right ones, and hope that a good showing of votes for him will promote his message. Mrs. Clinton's votes have shown she is for the Iraq war. If I voted for her in the primary, I'm sending the message that I think Iraq was right. I just cannot do that.

[Cameron27]

36. Yea!

Good choice!

[kiranon]

41. So Did I - From Edwards to Hillary

I like Edwards. He is the only candidate I have sent contributions to but I am so angry at how Hillary was treated by the press and especially Chris Matthews and company including Andrea Mitchell and Joe whatever his last name is. A woman at age 61 is not over the hill. I even heard one newscaster this morning say that women 65 and over in New Hampshire came out with their walkers to vote for Hillary and that is what put her over the top. Well, I am 66 and I don't have a walker and I am mad as all get out to see such sexism by the press and will vote for Hillary as a protest vote. I am a Californian and just one of many who feel this way. Unfortunately, Edwards and Obama are losing votes not because they aren't great but because we won't put up with being put down as women anymore.

[saracat]

44. May I say that is a crappy reason to change your vote? I was angry at the

treatmnet Hillary got and defended her but I would NEVER vote for her. I am also angry at the treatment Edwrds got.He was treated worse than Hillary and continues to be.John Is more of a feminist than Hillary and will do more to support women's rights.Hillary will likely set us back decades.

[kiranon]

78. You may and I will ignore your response as more hate talk

[saracat]

79. You may think that but it isn't so.I just don't feel Hillary is a great example of a feminist.

We differ.And this election should be about who is most qualified and who best represents us, not gender or race.

[Imagevision]

43. I just bought two Obama bumper stickers this morning...

[realFedUp]

63. Obama's very appealing

I like everything about him.

[Beacool]

46. Thank you for your vote!!!

I think that we can make history!!

Hillary now, Obama later on!!!!

The prospect of our country electing the first woman president and the first African-American is thrilling beyond words.

[MoonRiver]

56. I'll probably be making a similar post soon.

I'm not quite ready, but almost.

[realFedUp]

62. hmmm...Al Gore

Now he would be my dream candidate...

Don't let the cool kids get to you when you
make that switch.

[MoonRiver]

75. No,unfortunately. But he'll always be my hero.

I'm about to make Hillary my 2008 candidate of choice, however. If Al were running, it would be a very different story. Oh, what might have been.

[realFedUp]

57. I have a theory about caucases and gender

I was thinking about the Iowa caucases and the
fact that a person has to physically
declare, among peers, other guys, neighbors,
friends etc., a vote for a candidate.

I was wondering if young
men were uncomfortable standing in Hillary's
group because she's a woman and older.
Has anyone addressed that question?

I know Hillary hasn't appealed to anti-war
supporters (and I was one) and her DLC
connections aren't cool etc. so those
are certainly a few reasons young men
wouldn't favor her...but I think the question
I am asking is interesting to wonder about
also, since peer pressure certainly makes
us choose who we do also.

[realFedUp]

58. I will certainly support whoever wins the Dem nomination

I think we have a strong slate of candidates on
this side of the aisle. I hated to see Biden and
Dodd with all their strengths go by the wayside
so soon. I personally like the whole slate but
wasn't feeling as pulled towards any of them as
I did four years ago with Dean. I'd be happy
with any of them becoming President. I just
want a hard worker, someone with the experience
to dive into the job right away and be tough enough
to deal with world and the challenges in this
country.
The media doesn't help in our choosing the best for
the job as we've certainly experienced these past 8 years.
I'm glad Independents are moving towards a
Democratic Presidential nominee. I don't think
this country can survive under more Republicans.

[Kucinich4America]

59. From Dean to Kucinich to Hillary??

Yeah, right. That's like going from a Ferrari to a Yugo and convincing yourself it was an upgrade.

[realFedUp]

61. You'd have to read my explanation in a post above...

Post #54. I guess I'm going from my dream car to a more practical one.
Fewer cool features, stronger tires. :-) Buckle up baby, coz it's
going to be a bumpy ride.

[LanternWaste]

66. Ok... that was just a damned cute reply on your part.

Ok... that was just a damned cue reply on your part.

I'm glad you've made up your mind-- regardless of who you support. Now, if only I could get my brain out of second gear and finally make a choice myself... :)

[realFedUp]

70. hehehe....

they are all good and whoever wins faces a shitload of
problems and more grief from the whiney-assed conservatives
and conservative corporate media and probably from
us. The next four years won't be pretty.

[rAVES]

64. DK to Clinton: no clue wtf is going on around you.

propaganda machine.. yes.. you know all about that right?

[realFedUp]

72. Read post #54....

gads, fast to comment, less so in reading.

[rAVES]

74. Theres no such thing as throwing your vote away. theres no shame in voting a losing candidate..

Seems to me this is the reason politics is in the state it is in.. afraid to send a message to the establishment.
Fine.. your happy how it is, its your vote. but people feeling that unless they vote on a winner their vote is wasted is to me, stupid and frankly.. the problem.

[realFedUp]

67. And btw MoDour, real women cry when we get real fed up

I hate the pettiness of overly paid columnists
and pundits. They are a large reason this current culture
is so mean.

[BootinUp]

68. Nice post, I believe you have given it a lot of thought

and its nice of you to share your decision.

[realFedUp]

73. Thank you...nt

[coco77]

76. You said it ...

and I think that some are forgetting what we are dealing. My main objective is to defeat the CONS I know how they can twist something minor into something major,. I will never forget what they have done to this country.

[Imagevision]

77. Bush Sr. Clinton Bush Clinton? uh-uh! then we get Jeb = 36 years of two families, no-way!!