Just when I decided to be a good little Democrat......

[madfloridian]

and had gotten my head on straight after the loss of my candidate, then I have to read some of the things said here.

And I realize I am not over them yet...the insults and the kool-aid drinking remarks, being made fun of for supporting Dean.

And then I remember that since he dropped out, no one is speaking of the dangers of the Medicare bill, the problems with the deficit, and no one is challenging Greenspan on playing politics with our future.

I don't hear much about the dead soldiers and dead Iraqis. Do you?
I don't hear much of anything but rhetoric.

And we still get made fun of here, and that is just plain too much. This is not a game anymore. We are in the business of empire building, and I don't see that who I vote for in the fall will make one bit of difference now.

I don't see a difference. I am tired of the party picking my candidate, tired of being ridiculed. Tired of more of the same.

Right now, I do not see that my vote makes a difference at all. Same song, second verse. The messenger is dead and so is the message.

[bahrbearian]

1. Vote for the status quo...

[Faygo Kid]

2. You really don't see a difference?

You think that George Bush's radical pro-aggressive war, appointments and policies are no different than the Dems? I suspect that nothing said here will change your mind, but I invite you to rethink what is at stake. "Made fun of here?" Sorry, but I think it's political disagreement (and not that much; I greatly admire Howard Dean and the spine he transplanted into the Democratic Party). If you can't hear any differences but merely "rhetoric," perhaps you should try again - and then look inwardly at your bitterness. We are not the enemy here. Don't pout. Work. There is simply too much at stake to do otherwise.

[madfloridian]

6. I have worked hard this year.

Very hard. Our whole group here has worked hard. We are putting up a candidate against an entrenched Republican, supporting him, and will work for him.

I have written letters to media, to congressmen. We begged about the war, the Medicare bill, and as a teacher....I worked especially hard against the NCLB bill.

My husband and I and our group of Dean supporters here have worked harder than we ever have.

No one can say I did not work hard this year. I just don't have any inspiration left right now.

[Adelante]

10. Take some rest, madfloridian

You've earned it. When you're refreshed and healed a bit, things might look more manageable. You need time to grieve, we all did, do. :)

[Faygo Kid]

11. And thanks for that work. Maybe take a break.

As I posted on another thread, I worked hard for Gene McCarthy; even harder for George McGovern. And I was disappointed, too, but if we let our bitterness prevail, we will end up with a second Bush term, just like we ended up with Nixon. Take a break. Come back and join us to deny the bastard a "second term." Your future and your family's depend on it. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Thanks again for your commitment. Anyone who ridiculed Dean supporters has my contempt, and I apologize for their short-sightedness, but don't give up. Still, if you're burned out, take a couple months off, and then let's all - together - go after that SOB.

[auntpattywatty]

3. Yep!!

[redqueen]

4. Kucinich is still speaking about all of those things

The media just doesn't carry his message like they did for Dean. And they're still not, despite his increasing support and consistent fundraising.

:shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Dennis is speaking out, and I bet Nader will too

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. Dean should say something and do something now

aside from asking for money to pay off what Trippi stole, er, was paid, he should decide whether he's in or out - and if he's out, support Kucinich.

[Rockholm]

23. Dennis NOW has MY vote.....

Kerry is a LOSER. His position on gay marriage is no better than that of of Frearful "Leader." I have a bumper sticker for Edwards on my car and have sent Edwards money, but my vote will depend on the next debate. Dennis and Al support my equal rights. Edwards still has a chance. He could come out in favor of gay marriage (doubtful). Kerry has sold me up the river. Sorry John Kerry, but a growning number of us here in Massachusetts could care less about you. My guess, you will not win in Mass.

[Uzybone]

46. Too funny

I hope all your predictions are as ridiculous as your prediction that Kerry will lose Mass.

[WitchWay]

71. Yeah!

welcome kucitizen!
Just the other day, I was getting a kind of hopeful about Mass. Best of luck.

[SharonAnn]

5. Dean to speak in new Haven tonight

Check this out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x401006

[sangha]

9. Have you fallen asleep?

I keep hearing about ALL of the issues you mention.

[madfloridian]

13. Who is talking about the Medicare bill and deficit?

I realize Kucinich has and is, but are the others? Are they making an issue of these things? Are they putting forth the idea that it will stop seniors from getting drugs from Canada?

Are they saying that cancer care will be cut? I have not heard that since Dean dropped out.

[sangha]

16. Most of them

Yesterday had a big artivle in the NY Times about the importation of drugs from Canada and how the Dems are criticizing Bush* for getting in the way of it. Kerry has raised this issue several times while campaigning.

Have they "made an issue" of it? Well, if by that you mean "Have they spoken about it as frequently and as strongly as madfloridian would like?" the answer is probably "No". But they have been criticizing Bush* on this and the deficit on a near daily basis.

I realize there would be little problem in putting together a reasonable criticism of just how the Dems have been criticizing Bush*. However, it's just plain ole flat out wrong to say "no one is speaking of the dangers of the Medicare bill, the problems with the deficit, and no one is challenging Greenspan on playing politics with our future", particularly when the media is reporting Dem calls for Greenspan's resignation

[sandnsea]

69. All the g.d. time

This is exactly why I could never stand Howard Dean. What kind of hold does he have over you people that you can't hear anything unless it comes out of his mouth? That is just not a healthy kind of loyalty. I don't think Kerry gives a speech without mentioning this disastrous drug bill and buying drugs from Canada. It's part of his prescription drug plan "and allowing people to buy quality drugs through Canada." Edwards is the same, every time I hear him. Get over this infatuation with Howard Dean and revolution. It's sick.

[Ninga]

15. I took a 5 day rest from DU and by golly, gonna take

another one.

I don't want to be a bore, but if you are looking for a reason to vote ABB, just think of

THE SUPREME COURT...............that should be reason enough to vote ABB.

[bigtree]

12. Are you still advocating Dean?

Who are you recommending we vote for? This is the political page. Hard news is in the GD forum. I want to hear who you support and why. I'll listen.

[shance]

14. We are already going back to bizness as usual MF****sad, but true.

To even think about it makes me really sad. But we cant affort to cry in our cheerios.

The media won this round, the corrupt political system won this round, but they wont win forever. Hopefully Americans will get it.

Perhaps they will sooner than later, by realizing that nothing has changed, and by not having Howard Dean in the spotlight to attack any more they can see who the real opponents to change really are.

[Sinistrous]

17. Interesting point.

The focus of the debate has shifted. And it has shifted away from the unspeakable crimes of the bush junta. Bringing those to the fore was the magnificent gift of Howard Dean.

But the media got the memo, and is now trumpeting Mel Gibson's Christian pornography, and the various celebrity show trials around the country.

I agree fully that it is a shame that so much of the energy here at DU has been siphoned off into these irrelevancies.

[madfloridian]

19. I have seen fundamentalism being pushed on TV all week.

I have heard only about Janet's breast, and the need to keep that kind of stuff off TV.

I have not heard anything about FCC's refusal to regulate ownership of our media.

Dean said he would reregulate, and then he was gone.

[KoKo]

30. Yes, much of the energy here has been siphoned off! True! and

there's no doubt the media is ridiculing Dean supporters and ignoring Kucinich and his supporters. When Dean dropped out the change in coverage of the issues he was bringing to public noticeably vanished.

A spirit and commeraderie left. But, I think there's great anger out there in the Dean/Kucinch community. We feel we've been used and then ridiculed. This kind of thing doesn't go away just because of an ABB Candidate. And, the purpose was to defeat those of us who wanted party change. To rout us early and then to humiliate us. Just as what happened during the Selection 2000 and Florida recount.

It will come back to bite. It will...but it's very frustrating right now and there is a void that has left many of us very discouraged.
Hopefully it will sort out and another voice will emerge, or Dean will manage to pull something together, if he has the will to carry on as the spokesperson for Democratic Party Reform. :shrug:

[LuminousX]

18. Once Dean left, there wasn't anyone driving the debate

It has all fallen to the wayside.

[TreasonousBastard]

20. This may be true, but...

it's not all about driving the debate. It's about electing a President.

The voters have spoken, and they have rejected Dean. We've heard it all about how Dean got screwed by the media, the DLC, the DNC, Karl Rove... maybe the Vorgons are practicing mind control. Or maybe most voters just don't like him that much.

But, for whatever reason, he's out and we still have to elect a President.

[Nashyra]

22. The issue of the deficit wil be back big time

when they really start talking about Greenspan wanting to cut social security benefits. I know how some of you Dean supporters feel, at first I was refusing to go along with Kery because the media picked him and I wrote and canceled any donations to the DNC and thought I would support Dean because of the fact that the Dean and Clark supporters were dedicated to a new kind of politics, never considered Edwards because of lack of National security and foreign policy experience which is why i could not support him before Clark got in and then the fact that the Edward supporters (some, a few) were so disrespectful to all the candidates. I felt better after hearing and reading about what Clark planned to do and the fact that he was so committed to the Dem party and would keep fighting not only to get rid of * but for a better America, hence my decision to back Kerry. It is no easy task letting go of a dream that you are committed to, keep your ear to the ground and coninue to follow your candidate and what he is aspiring for. Getting the * out of the WH. If Kerry is the eventual nominee he will have to contend with the legion of Dean and Clark supporters who know how to effect change if he wants a second term, that is how change will happen. Good Luck

[sangha]

27. Statement From John Kerry on Announcement of Record Budget Deficits

Statement From John Kerry on Announcement of Record Budget Deficits
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1020b.html

October 20, 2003

For Immediate Release


"In just over 1,000 days in office, George Bush has turned a $5 trillion surplus into record setting deficits.
"What did we get for those trillions of dollars? More than nine million Americans are unemployed, three million have lost their jobs and more than 40 million don't have the health care they need.

"With more than 3 million jobs lost, record budget deficits and mounting debts, it is time for this Administration to admit what millions of unemployed Americans already know - that the economic policies of George W. Bush are the worst in our nation's history. It's obvious this Administration doesn't know how to get this economy back on track, get Americans back to work and get our nation's finances under control.

"Unfortunately, some people like Howard Dean, believe the way to fix George Bush's failed economic policy and massive deficits is on the backs of seniors, children and families by cutting Medicare and repealing the tax cuts that middle class families deserve. I believe Howard Dean simply has the wrong prescription for what ails America's economy.

"We can cut the deficit in half in four years, give Americans access to the health care coverage they need, invests in education and homeland security without doing it on the backs of our elderly, children and families."

[sangha]

28. Kerry: Bush’s Failed Economic Policies Lead to Record Deficits

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_0715.html

John Kerry said, “It’s irresponsible and immoral for George W Bush to continue sticking our children with the bill for his record deficits and debt because pride and ideology get in the way of scrapping his failed economic policies. The news that the federal deficit may pass $450 billion this year alone and is on track to reach record highs is proof that we don’t just need a new economic team, we need a new President. If you add up all the debt Lincoln incurred in winning the Civil War, all the debt Wilson incurred in winning WWI, and all the debt FDR incurred in winning WWII, you have just half of the debt George W Bush ran up this year. Already it’s clear that this will be the second year in history where the deficit exceeds $1 billion a day.

Not only do the new Bush tax cuts make no economic sense, but this Administration has turned fiscal responsibility on its ear - turning a budget in surplus to a budget with endless deficits. I’m running for President to offer truth about our economy, put Americans back to work and kick our economy into gear while reforming economic policy so that it focuses on actually helping people - creating jobs, raising incomes and promoting growth.”

[sangha]

29. Statement from John Kerry on Bush’s Budget

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0202h.html

February 02, 2004

For Immediate Release


“The new Bush budget is more of the same: record deficits, tax cuts for the wealthy and special interests, and cuts in areas that matter to families - such as health care and education. This is the same failed Republican prescription that has caused Bush to lose 2.5 million jobs in the last three years. The President clearly does not understand the economic, social and security challenges that our nation faces today. If he did, he never would have submitted this budget.

“The Bush budget also includes more secrecy on behalf of special interests. For months the Bush Administration has kept it secret that their Medicare special interest giveaway bill costs $135 billion more than they told us. They are spending even more money than we thought for HMOS and pharmaceutical companies.

“I have a plan that will cut special interests out, cut the deficit in half, cut the cost of prescription drugs and make investments in health care and education. If we take on the special interests, we can restore an economy that works for America's workers.”

[DancingBear]

21. Peace will come

At the risk of sounding foolish, I know what you are going through - somewhat. I worked as hard for Wes Clark as I have ever worked for anyone in politics, and I am still not over the fact that he will not be the candidate.

I was never a Dean fan, yet over these last several weeks I have come to admire the man, not so much for who he was, but for what he did. Do not deceive yourself into thinking nothing was accomplished. For the first time in my memory, two campaigns were run on a grassroots level. For the first time in my memory, people got excited about politics again - and they BELIEVED.

I feel like my candidate was assassinated at the altar of the "same old, same old" - I am sure you feel the same. You are not inspired at present - well, neither am I. I know what I must do, however, and I will. I'm sure you will as well.

As I said in a previous post, Dean has built the foundation for a very fine house. It is up to us now to build it. It won't happen this year, that's for sure, but this year we must focus on kicking the rotting carcass back to Texas. If we have to rent for another four years that's OK, but Clark and Dean have shown me and millions of others that the new house is not far away. It will be built. Soon.

[Eloriel]

64. I don't know about "Peace will come" -- but

I think this is a lovely post, and I appreciate it. And a few tears rolled down my cheeks.

Thanks.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

24. It's as if

none of you politically savvy people have heard of Dennis Kucinich--not entirely surprising, given the virtual media blackout.

But DK is still traveling the country, talking about all the things you mentioned--all of them--and his campaign is on a sound financial footing. You may not hear any of this--certainly not from the NY Times-- but he's out there and doing better than ever.

Voting for Dennis is the best way to stick it to the DNC establishment, the mass media, and everyone who is incapable of thinking outside the box.

Whoever wins the nomination, double-digit showings for Kucinich in the upcoming primaries will send a message to the business-as-usual types.

[Fleshdancer]

25. Is it still a campaign year?

I can't tell now that Dean has dropped out. :shrug:

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Is this about the November election...

or about Dean?

There is still work to be done. That Dean is not around to work for any more being such a problem implies that it is Dean, and not electing a President later this year is the important thing for some people.

In the primary, nine people had to lose. That many of us had our favorites lose is just our bad luck, but it can't overshadow the real goal-- winning in November.

An election is choose the best candidate. We will be stuck with only two viable candidates, so we work for the better one, even if that one's not perfect. And it shouldn't be all that difficult to figure out who the better one is.

Sorry that He Who Walks on Water and is the great savior of the Republic is out of the running, but it's time get over the disappointment and move on.

[madfloridian]

32. Ooops, that darn "Move On" again.

I heard it in 2000 here in Florida when the Democrats left Gore hanging from the chads.

Now I hear it again, and thanks for referring to my candidate in those terms....Great Savior of the Republic.

I never got over 2000.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

67. Yeah, it's llike there's a Dean cult of personality or something

instead of a determination to change this country.

It's like you had your egos wrapped up in the Dean campaign, and when he withdrew, you felt as if the voters had personally insulted you, so you're going to take your marbles and go home and pout.

I've never supported a winning candidate. No, I take that back. I voted for my Oregon Congressman David Wu. But other than that, they've all lost.

But no matter, there's still plenty to work on, and no reason to stop trying. Even if you drop out of political activity, there are plenty of non-political causes that could use your support. There may even be a state or local candidate you can support.

[edzontar]

31. Judging from what I read here, the Kerry folks do not

Seem to really CARE about these or any other issues.

All they want to do is silence any disssent and discussion as part of their ABB "electability" campaign.

The primaries are--as far as issues are concerned--over, and the forces os status quo, established power, and no change have won.

Only DK and AL are still speaking out, and they have plans for them too, I am sure.

[sangha]

Judging from what I hear, Dean folks do not

seem to care about the good of the nation. Only the good of Howard Dean.

You see? Two can play the "apparently" ploy

[madfloridian]

39. That is questioning our patriotism.

That is what you are doing.

[sangha]

42. No, I'm using stereotyping

to demonstrate the fallacy and immorality of stereotyping

[edzontar]

48. I didn't know that was the game.

As for suggesting we do not care about the nation, that statement speaks for itself.

What it provides is just one more reason for me to hold out on Kerry.

I am in PA and am connected to the DP operation in my town, so you might just want my help.

[sangha]

51. I'm not surprised

One does not need to be aware of it in order to play it.

As for suggesting we do not care about the nation, that statement speaks for itself

Yes it does. So does your lack of irony

What it provides is just one more reason for me to hold out on Kerry.

Again, I'm not surprised. Emotions are more important than issues to some people.

[Eloriel]

57. Or you could call them tactics

OR you could call them consequences of a corrupt system.

Get used to it.

[sangha]

58. LOL!

"Get used to it"

You speak as if this is a new phenomena. It's as old as life itself.

IOW, "Been there, done that. I even got the t-shirt"

[edzontar]

66. I want to feel the Kerry supporter's pain.

nt.

[Faygo Kid]

34. Yeah, right. We are not in total agreement, so we just don't care.

Yep, I have spent all my life trying to silence dissent, and recently cooking up mysterious plans for Kucinich and Sharpton, too. And of course, I have never cared about economic justice, civil rights, pre-emptive war, etc. Tell me; I have never been so wise to locate the Font of All True Knowledge and Virtue; when and where did you come across it?

[Deaner1971]

35. Quit being Agent Moulder

There is not some big conspiracy to shut-up dissenters. I, for one, am just tired of the "my candidate isn't getting the nod so, I hope your candidate loses" attitude. I want what is best for the country and Bushy boy ain't it. Your attack on John Kerry's supporters and painting us all with a broad brush is probably indicative of the attacks that have made us more than a little frustrated by the sour grapes attitude that is prevalent on this site.

I sincerely care about all of these issues and Sen. Kerry did a very good job of addressing his disdain for Bush and Repug philosophy when he spoke in Columbus.

[edzontar]

37. Who is posting the purge threads?

Who is calling for bans on all "criticism" of Kerry?

[Deaner1971]

40. Not me!

I like open debate. If I wanted closed-mindedness, I'd be a Repug.

I can't understand the whole "I hope we lose this election to teach a lesson" mentality but, I don't think they should be McCarthy'ed.

By the way, is the Angel tonight (for you last night) good? No details, please.

[edzontar]

43. We agree on closed mindedness. As for Angel...

This is a very BIG one.

The BIG BAD is revealed.

Major characters in crisis.

Josh directed.

Be afraid.

[Deaner1971]

47. thanks

.

[RetroLounge]

33. Yes, I agree with your assessment.

Dean left the campaign, and the Spine Transplant was rejected by the front-runner's body.

Sad...

[Deaner1971]

36. How did we ever live without you?

You know before Gov. Dean, we Democrats were doing all we could not to fold in half from the absence of a spine. Once, I remember arguing with a Neo-Con and my mouth began uttering agreements and "Heil, Bush" and I had no ability to stop it. Had it not been for the lack of a spine, I know that my right hand would have risen in salute to his Righty thinking.

Everyday when I have co-workers carry my limp form to the car, I am unable to stop my right hand (or should I say my Right hand) from tuning the dial to Rush Limbaugh and I drive home on the right side of the road (thankfully I don't live in England as my lack of spine allows me access only to the right side of the road) leaving behind a trail of "mega-dittos" and drool as I pass.

Yes, were it not for Gov. Dean and his supporters, I would still be living this life of spineless Rightiness. Fortunately, I have been inspired..nay, healed by the good doctor. My new spine intact, I stand up for truth, justice, and the American way. I can leap tall buildings and run like a alternative energy locomotive.

The only draw-back to my new spine is the irrepressible urge to scream "EEEEYAAAAAA" whenever a camera is pointed at me...


Sorry, I actually like Gov. Dean a great deal and have the utmost respect for him and his supporters. I just felt the hyperbole of "Spine Transplant" deserved hyperbole in return.

[Eloriel]

59. You can call it hyperbole, but an awful lot of pundits have said

the same - now that it's safe to praise Dean since he' politically dead in the water and safely out of the threat zone.

[Eloriel]

60. You can call it hyperbole, but an awful lot of pundits have said

the same - now that it's safe to praise Dean since he' politically dead in the water and safely out of the threat zone.

[sangha]

63. Yes, and we all know how credible pundits are

.

[Nazgul35]

65. I'm not sure you understand

the differences in the argument you just provided by those that are actually being articulated...

The argument of lack of spin is not directed against rank-and-file Democrats...it is against the Washington elected Dems who have been spineless since 1994....they figured that if they couldn't beat them, they'd join them...

Howard Dean didn't invent these issues, he (and Clark and Kucinich) tapped into them....many rank and file Dems have either 1) left the party ought right, or 2) depressed at what we get offered up by the power brokers as candidates stay home and don't vote....

It happened in 2000, 2002 and if people are not careful, it will happen again in 2004....

All people want is for the Dem candidates to stand up and say, as Clark did on Bill Mahr's show....Damn right I'm a liberal.....Why must we continue to support wishy washy Dems, who when elected, will only back down to the right-wingers anyway...

Some here think that people are somehow going to be rewarded for their votes with a new emergence of progressive and liberal fiestiness.....give me some of what you're smoking...

Those politicians who had such traits were driven out of the process, scorned and their supporters were ridiculed and mocked....It seems that the only time these "so-called" Dems seem to have any kind of a back bone it is to ridicule and attack other Democrats.....and you all wonder why people are depressed, suspicious and angry....

wake up Dems!! Democracy is not a spectator sport...make them accountable!! Or they won't be...

The point being raised is that no one is left to make the Washington Dems accountable.....and the results are as expected....

[edzontar]

38. The front-runners never had any spine---they just pretended

Now that the real race is over we are back to snoresville, and the resulting low turnout could cost us "bigtime" in the GE.

[Deaner1971]

41. I don't know.

I think Kerry and Edwards could liven things up a bit. They could stand to still have a debate or two with Edwards, Kerry, Kucinich, and Sharpton. Would be nice to let the remaining four have the same air time once devoted to 10 people.

We had our first Edwards ad in Columbus. I am curious to see how much more interest there is in the reamining four after they fight it out in Ohio. Although, I heard DK has already surrendered Ohio which, if true, is dissappointing.

[edzontar]

44. I am very disappointed in both of them.

But their my way or the highway supporters get my goat more.

More seriosuly, I fear the election will be lost through the boringness of Kerry.

I am from MASS, and I know the guy and have voted for him..and will If i have to--I am in PA (!) but I sense a defensive worry among the more passionate JK supporters, who must sense the potential weakness in his candidacy, or they would not be so afraid of criticism.

[WilliamPitt]

45. If you make political decisions because someone hurt your feelings

on an anonymous internet forum, you will get everything you deserve.

[madfloridian]

49. Ah, thanks Will. I needed your affirmation.....

of my idiocy.

:freak:

[WilliamPitt]

61. Always happy to help

[edzontar]

52. And what would that "everything" be?

If people choose to come here and call for censorship, purges, and silencing of debate, I can only asume that their values do not correspond to mine, and that their candidate is weak and vulnerable.

It's all part of the experience.

[madfloridian]

53. I just realized how your statement was phrased.

I do not like how that was phrased. I have not said what I will do, and I don't have to tell you or anyone else how I will vote.

I do not have to say. I do NOT want people to tell me NOT to criticize Kerry, the nominee. I DO want him to really speak out on issues powerfully.

For your information, I am a loyal American. I resent anyone who questions otherwise.

[littlejoe]

55. Agree, Will. But the important question for me is, "Why should the

rest of us have to suffer, because of someone's cavalier attitude about their vote?"

[madfloridian]

62. I already know my vote does not count. Not being "cavalier".

That is why I am upset in part. You are just so right about that. It simply does not matter any more.

And incidentally, I was not being cavalier in the least. I know that it just does not matter.

You know, if this thread makes you suffer, you can do as has been recommended to us Deanies many times.....just move on and don't read it.

[littlejoe]

50. For every one of you who votes for the status quo, it's going

to take two of us to overcome your vote. Thanks for nothing!

[MaggieSwanson]

54. Dennis Kucinich

is speaking to all the issues you mentioned.

It is sad that you, and others, are not able to hear his voice in the midst of the biggest media black-out I have ever witnessed.
Even Nader gets more air time.

I spent the day yesterday watching the news, waiting for comments on Dennis's showing in Hawaii. All I saw, channel after channel, hour after hour, were reviews of a certain newly released movie.
Rest assured that the issues that matter to you are still being talked about.

[dpbrown]

56. Kucinich is talking about all those things you mentioned

So the messenger isn't dead.

He's changed identity, like getting a new Dr. Who.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[sandnsea]

68. Still can't hear

Not surprised.

"And then I remember that since he dropped out, no one is speaking of the dangers of the Medicare bill, the problems with the deficit, and no one is challenging Greenspan on playing politics with our future."

Edwards and Kerry talk about the Medicare bill give-away and the deficit every single time they speak. Every time without fail. Greenspan just brought up the SS stuff, they will get to it. Edwards is running a campaign on trade and jobs, so that's where the focus is right now. As soon as we get into the general election, the focus will change again and Iraq will become an issue. If they were talking about Iraq, you'd be complaining they weren't talking about jobs.

That's why people make fun of you Deaniacs. You just don't hear anything unless Howard Dean says it.

[Upfront]

70. Agree

God how I miss Dean. I will never get over the way he was treated I did tell the DNC to piss off on there latest fund raiser. Now I do feel a little better. Can't wait for Carville to ask for money.

[WitchWay]

72. Kucinich still has a chance

Kucinich has been raising these issues, but the media is blacking him out. He IMMEDIATELY called for Greenspan to resign. He said repeatedly that this election is ALL about the war, and I believe him. In fact, he thinks that a brokered convention will have to choose him because by the time the convention happens, things could be so bad in Iraq that the media will not be able to ignore the war and the campaign. I hope the war doesnt get worse, and I'm suer that Dennis K. does too, but read this posting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=398510&mesg_id=398510

I think its urgent that everyone shares information about Kucinich and helps to get the vote out. I think its imperative.