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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 AM
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How Hillary Turned it Around (from TIME Mag)
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Everyone in the Clinton campaign knew that Tuesday evening would be a chance to reframe the race. But throughout primary day they believed the reframing would follow a New Hampshire loss to Barack Obama—possibly by a double-digit margin, according to some polls and the campaign's own worst fears. "I was with them all day," said one friend, who watched Clinton and her team write the first drafts of her speech in a Concord hotel suite. "They did not see this coming. No one did." Except, perhaps, you know who; the friend said that at one point during the afternoon, Bill Clinton confided, "You know something, I think we can do something here."

How, exactly, that unlikely something happened was the result of a combination of forces that the campaign itself is only beginning to untangle. Part of it was the boring stuff—the dull, unglamorous work put in by a disciplined ground operation organized by veteran operative Nick Clemons. Late in the game, the campaign also brought in Michael Whouley, who had helped deliver the state for Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004.

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A lot of it, though, came from Clinton herself. In the tumultuous days before the primary, she showed sides of herself both tougher and softer than previously known. Clinton lashed out at Barack Obama and John Edwards in Saturday night's debate, visibly angry in a way voters had not seen before. But on Monday, she teared up when asked her how she was coping with the campaign—displaying the kind of emotion that people would associate far more with Bill Clinton than with his wife. Said one prominent Democratic strategist not affiliated with the campaign: "Yesterday helped her a lot with women."

Indeed, it did—especially with unmarried women, a key component of the Democratic base. One campaign adviser noted that where Obama won that demographic by 13 percentage points in Iowa, Clinton carried it by 17 points in New Hampshire—a 30 point shift over in the course of five days. (It also couldn't have hurt that a great number of men from the pundit-ocracy spent the hours before the primary gleefully anticipating a Clinton catastrophe.)

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http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1701640,00.html
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:25 AM
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1. Clintons' DLC Machine turned nothing around. The pundits coronated Obama despite CNN and FOX ...
exit polls. :crazy:

Further, I doubt if HRC's crocodile tears through soft spoken "petty barbs" at her opponents, as well as Bill's later hissy fit ("the mean ole' press loves Obama more than my wife") had any significant impact on the results. :eyes:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:25 AM
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2. Interesting how the women went for Clinton after the emotional
interview.

I seem to remember that Clinton gained a lot of votes after her male opponent was rude to her in the debate for the New York Senate seat.

What does this say about the general election if Clinton is the nominee?

The Repubs will have to be careful how they attack her because they won't want to alienate too large a segment of the women voters.

On the other hand, Clinton will have to walk a tight rope, showing both strength and vulnerability.

That said, Clinton may or may not be the Dem nominee.

I'm glad that it is still a tight race because the eventual Dem nominee needs to be battle hardened for the general election.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:33 AM
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4. Don't over generalize. Correlation doesn't prove CAUSATION.
I'm insulted by many telling me how I should vote as a woman. :grr: :nuke:

I think HRC is disingenous and that her "choking-up" was not for The American People but more like a spoiled child, boy or girl, who may not get his/her way. It was orchastrated and selfish in nature.

Everything about HRC comes across to me as condescending and duplicitious. "The Clintons" have been in power too long resulting in their sense of arrogance and entitlement exude some very ugly and self-serving behaviors immediately before the elections.

Nothing in HRC's behavior comes across to me as either compassionate or genuine. :thumbsdown:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 AM
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8. nonsense - but if you want to see orchestrated and selfish in nature, condescending and duplicitous
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 AM by papau
then you will
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 AM
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10. You are entitled to your opinion
I think Hillary Clinton is a T on the Myers Briggs test, which means that she first processes her decisions based on facts, rather than feelings the way her husband does. The classic question to determine the difference is: If you have two employees who are absolutely equal and you have to fire one of them, which do you fire? The T(thinking) person will just toss a coin because factually there is no difference between the two employees. The F(feeling)perosn will agonize over the decision and take into accounts the personal situations (does one employee have children and the other not, etc) of the employees.

Feeling people often perceive thinking people as cold and calculating.

Thinking people often perceive feeling people as overly emotional.

I think that seeing Clinton tear up reassured some feeling types. More women are feeling types than men so that goes along with the fact that more women voted for Hillary than men did.

Another reason that women voted for Hillary (other than seeing a woman as President) is that many women resent seeing a woman treated in a way that they think is unfair.

All that aside, I don't know if Hillary is the most likely candidate to win the general election. Having a Dem in the White House is very important to me.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:26 AM
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3. Ah that "liberal rag" Time Magazine
:eyes:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:42 AM
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5. Let's not get this too twisted: Hillary has been leading since the beginning.
She's turned nothing around. At the moment, she has held off Obama from winning two consecutive primaries.

That's it. She's not the "come back kid" or any such bullshit.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:43 AM
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6. Thank you...until THIS weekend she had MASSIVE leads in NH...
...so how in the world a barely-there 3% win qualifies as a "comeback" simply defies logic...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:46 AM
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7. Actually, it sounds as calculated as her emotional mommy moment on Monday.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:03 AM
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9. Doesn't it just....
...
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