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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:45 PM
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How did she get the women back?
CNN reporting that she won handily among women, which she pulled back in the last couple of days of the campaign.

Now, for all those HRC supporters lambasting Obama supporters for basing their support on EMOTION, what do you think about these results?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:45 PM
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1. *sniffle*
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:46 PM
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3. The rescuer vote.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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Sexist bullshit
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:48 PM
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13. I don't think her emotional moment was a bad thing.
It seems to have increased her appeal, especially among women.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:45 PM
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2. Someone on MSNBC was saying
maybe she simply did a better job with reaching women in NH than Iowa.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:46 PM
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4. I guess Iowa doesn't represent the women voters of the country.
Who would a thunk...

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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6. Exactly
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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8. or New Hampshire doesn't
it's hard to tell after two races.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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5. I guarantee that it was yesterday's tears
Good for her. Let's keep this interesting.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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7. It was probably Big Dawg.
The women love Big Dawg. :)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:50 PM
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17. Now THAT was sexist.
Plenty of guys love Bill, too.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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9. Gee.maybe some women resented the media portrayal of women
you know..
catty
shrill
Cackling
shrew..
you know..things like that.
Maybe some of them didn't like that all that much.
Maybe?
ya think?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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10. sniff sniff
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:49 PM
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14. Sexist bullshit
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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Why is it bullshit to suggest that a sympathetic moment led to greater support?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:47 PM
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11. dupe
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 09:48 PM by Bonobo
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:48 PM
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12. Who said they were ever gone?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:51 PM
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19. The polls said that
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:52 PM
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22. Polls say many things -- usually incorrectly
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:09 PM
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34. some yes, some not so much
there were a couple of accurate polls prior to iowa, but generall I agree, they are not to be trusted much.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:49 PM
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15. Since women KNOW why women cry...
for a split second and then get right back to the task at hand, maybe we didn't care for the commentary.

And maybe MOST women know that tears sometimes stay behind the eyes, and never make it out where anyone can see and say a word about them.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:51 PM
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18. It's beyond insulting for posters to say women voters were manipulated by her "tears"
Women voters are so naive and easily led, I guess.

:eyes:

Are they a piece of work or WHAT.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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26. That's what the pundits are saying n/t
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:05 PM
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32. The pundits are sexist asshats too
There's no reason for anyone here to be emulating them.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:38 PM
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41. They think they're reporting the facts
I've got no idea. But they seem to think it was either the "ganging up" during the debate or the vulnerability. Wes Clark said it turned pretty quickly. Hard to say. But I don't think they're intending to be sexist in explaining why women turned out for Hillary in NH and not in IA.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:49 PM
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16. Did she ever lose them in NH?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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24. Presumably, according to the polls
She gained support somewhere, and according to CNN it was mostly women.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:51 PM
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20. Caucus vs. Polling places. That's my take.
Iowa has a totally different process in selecting. Women are less likely to attend an evening caucus event, as most women have responsibilities in the evening that preclude spending several hours in a gymnasium. I caucused in Washington State in the last election, but it was on a Saturday. It was STILL a pain in the ass, though, and made me miss voting at a polling place at my convenience. The difference between having to be somewhere at a certain time and spending hours there, as opposed to stopping by a polling place for a few minutes on your way to pick up your kids after work. It's not sexist, it's reality. Ask any of your female friends of family who are not uber political which they'd prefer doing, and how likely they'd be to leave the kids with a sitter, or be willing to go to a gymnasium after work and spend a few hours, during a cold snap.

I don't think that her reconnection with women was the key, I think the setting was the key. You'll find that each state will be unique that way.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:52 PM
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21. Being more natural in her town hall meetings and doing them in Q&A form.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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27. Now that makes sense.
:thumbsup:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:53 PM
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23. The bad moves affected Iowa more than NH
I don't think NH got a real taste of the ugly campaigning in Iowa. So people there didn't understand the dynamics going on in the debate. They also aren't inclined to believe Bill lies, so they believe that shit he says about Obama and the war and the health insurance mandates.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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25. STOP GENERALIZING WOMEN'S VOTES!!
Arrrrrrggggh!

Women in the midwest are NOT the same as women in the NE!
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:54 PM
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28. My bet is that those last minute changes were backlash votes for Hillary
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:55 PM
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29. I don't believe she ever lost New Hampshire women.
JMHO
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 09:57 PM
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30. Because women know what it is like to be at a disadvantage..
and for the MSM to attack her like they did....I am betting many women in NH took it personally and that's from all socio-economic levels..

I was offended I am undeceided...
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:04 PM
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31. 911 and the waaahbulance n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:07 PM
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33. The socially programmed fear and dread of the Black Man coming to victimize and violate them.
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:07 PM by JVS
:popcorn:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 PM
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35. How ridiculous.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:10 PM
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36. You just aren't willing to admit it.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 PM
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38. is that flame-broiled popcorn there you have there? n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 PM
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37. The storyall day was Bill Clinton's comments on Obama's record
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 10:11 PM by jackson_dem
Maybe cleverly getting Obama's record out there did the trick? It was probably the first time most people heard that Obama is not a saint on the war.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:16 PM
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39. Maybe they are beginning to think about things from a woman's perspective. n/t
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sam kane Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 10:25 PM
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40. Sexism. This was a "crying" media attack protest-bounce.
Women know blatant sexism when they see it. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but after seeing the MSM (plus people here) attack Clinton for exactly what her husband was praised for consistently, well I started cheering her on too.
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