Hey, Obama-bashers!

[Occam Bandage]

Ahem. My apologies for the shouting and whatnot. Anyway.

It has come to my attention that many of you harbor grave "concerns" about Sen. Obama's "lack of substance," and his "fluffy platitudes," and the like. To address this, our dear Katzenkavalier has posted Mr. Obama's firm positions and solid proposals here:

Barack Obama on Technology
Barack Obama on the Economy
Barack Obama on Faith
Barack Obama on Energy and the Environment
Barack Obama on Public Service
Barack Obama on Seniors and Social Security
Barack Obama on Healthcare
Barack Obama on Foreign Policy
Barack Obama on Iraq
Barack Obama on Poverty
Barack Obama on Immigration
Barack Obama on Education
Barack Obama on Helping Our Veterans

But yet, despite the wealth of information in these (information that would go a long way towards soothing your concerns), they seem to be sinking like rocks. What gives?

[Colobo]

1. Thanks, brother!

I appreciate the help.

[billbuckhead]

2. All campaigns have this boilerplate BS on their websites

Obama hasn't done much except vote present 190 times and beat Alan Keyes since the tougher Republican (7 of 9's husband) was a pervert and had to drop out.

<http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/>
<http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/>
<http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/>

[Occam Bandage]

5. Then go to the threads and challenge the points. "Bah, humbug" is not a counterargument.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

51. voted present 190 times?

i heard 130, but whatever. how many times did he vote in total?

[Hard_Work]

59. Funny how

he was beating the snot out of that "tougher republican" as well.

[niceypoo]

3. Rhetoric from his campaign website

Please post the part where he wants 'unity' with the republicans.

[XemaSab]

4. K&R

:patriot:

[MalloyLiberal]

6. You can roll crap in powdered sugar

Still a pile of stinkin shit

[Occam Bandage]

7. Which of Obama's proposals is "a pile of stinkin shit?" Please provide quote.

[Critters2]

8. The proposals about making nice with the Repugs. nt

[Occam Bandage]

9. I'm sorry, I said "proposals," not "strawmen."

[Critters2]

13. "Reaching across the aisle". His words,not mine.

I have no interest in reaching across the aisle.

[Occam Bandage]

14. It is fortunate that you are self-marginalizing.

[Critters2]

19. I'd like a president with a spine.

Like, say, John Edwards.

[CTLawGuy]

46. he had great spine in co-sponsoring IWR

oh wait that was John Edwards 1.0, not John Edwards 2.0, new for 2008.

[donheld]

30. I have a great interest in reaching accross the aisle and

smacking the ever loving shit out of certain people on that side.

[Critters2]

34. I'm fairly certain that's not what Obama is advocating.

Much as I wish.

I fear it'll be more like this....

[niceypoo]

44. There is no reaching across the aisle with republicans

The present Dem congress keeps trying to do it, how is that going, by the way?

[cali]

20. aren't you looking forward to the vote results

we'll see in just a 18 hrs or so? I know I am. Hey, maybe your candidate can actually come in second 15 pts back- or maybe not.

[Critters2]

21. I'm not looking forward to a candidate who's already said he'll give in

to Republicans.

[Occam Bandage]

28. I am. I can't wait for Straw Obama to take office.

[Critters2]

29. And if you clap loud enough, Tinkerbell won't die. nt

[Occam Bandage]

31. Seen it three times, and it worked every time!

[cali]

39. ooh, another bitter little lie

and don't forget that Saint Johny wants to put repubs in fantasy-never-happen cabinet.

[Critters2]

42. Please define "reach across the aisle" for me.

It's a direct quote from his post-caucus speech in Iowa. Hardly a bitter little lie. Though, maybe an embarrassing truth.

[K Gardner]

10. You have made me not want to support my preferred candidate tonight, ML.

I got pounced by Obama supporters tonight, too.. and I stick up for him all the time! But I'm not going to turn around and do it back, and have it reflect back on Edwards. I know its tough hearing your candidate bashed, but I'd like to think we could take the high road. Can we do that?

[MalloyLiberal]

12. When these people CONSTANTLY attack Edwards

you have to fight back against the lies

[Occam Bandage]

16. LMAO

You do nothing but bash Obama.

[K Gardner]

18. Yeah, but not like that. I understand the frustration, but just step away for awhile..

really.. if no one argues back, the thread drops and *poof* its gone. After 7 years of Bush, we've got to get past this kind of ugliness, or is this what its turned us all into? Anyway, I've said my peace. You do what you feel you have to do. Nothing we say here is going to affect the nomination.. so its all on us, as a community at DU.

[cali]

17. your posts have made it easy for me.

I'm going to crow and laugh in your face tomorrow. I'm gonna watch your misery with glee. You've done nothing but attack Obama while whining endlessly about the world and Duers being so mean to Edwards.

Just wait until Obama cleans house tomorrow. Your misery will be my delight.

[MalloyLiberal]

22. I don't expect Edwards to get anywhere near close to the man you are a fanatic of

Anywhere near close.

Edwards is being too kind. Obama is more of the same.

[K Gardner]

23. I don't think anyone doubts that Obama is going to clean house, or even blow the top off of the

house. I'm looking forward to watching the numbers roll in, and I *know* my candidate is going to probably come in a distant 3rd. I don't understand why when, after all these years, we are looking at forming a huge landslide coalition - we all don't just want to come here tomorrow night and celebrate about it. Just sayin.

I give up now. Nite all :-) :hi:

[BenDavid]

11. I'm reminded of the really old Popeye cartoon where somebody

convinced Popeye he'd be better off without his spinach.Popeye threw the can away - it landed on the back of a truck and as the truck pulled away, the spinach can called out to Popeye, "You'll be sorry!"I want a knife fighter to go against the Republican Slime Machine.But it seems like the Democrats want a pony called "Change," instead.

[ClassWarrior]

15. So do you support Riff or Bernardo?

:crazy:

NGU.

[greyl]

24. If you have time before the edit window runs out,

you could replace your links with these more descriptive ones:

 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987780|Barack
Obama on Technology]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987159|Barack
Obama on the Economy]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987436|Barack
Obama on Faith]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987294|Barack
Obama on Energy and the Environment]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987726|Barack
Obama on Public Service]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987740|Barack
Obama on Seniors and Social Security]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987551|Barack
Obama on Healthcare]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987533|Barack
Obama on Foreign Policy]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987644|Barack
Obama on Iraq]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987675|Barack
Obama on Poverty]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987614|Barack
Obama on Immigration]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987222|Barack
Obama on Education]
 [link:www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3987810|Barack
Obama on Helping Our Veterans]


They'll show up like this:

Barack Obama on Technology
Barack Obama on the Economy
Barack Obama on Faith
etc
etc
 

[Occam Bandage]

25. Thanks for the idea.

[greyl]

26. You're welcome ;)

(I think the line breaks need to be removed)

[Occam Bandage]

27. Yeah, took a bit of tinkering before I realized that it had inserted line breaks.

[Cha]

32. Thanks for the consolidation,

Occam!~

[Occam Bandage]

33. Thank greyl for providing the titles on each one.

[Cha]

36. Thanks, greyl!

:)

[suston96]

35. I have this serious gut feeling.....

...that these discussions are out of control and that there will be deep residual feelings of hate and disgust for the winner no matter who it is.

Simmer down, people. There is more to lose with all this bitter and venomous acrimony than just elections.

[Occam Bandage]

38. We'll get over it, just like we did with Kerry.

After Obama wins or loses, we'll immediately turn on him, but there will be a truce during the election.

[nolabels]

37. Just for instance, that energy platform is short sighted

More carbon and other UN-renewable sources is going backward on what needs to get done if we are going to combat the carbon cycle that is accelerating global warming.

[FlyingSquirrel]

40. Well let's see (and I'm not an Obama basher)....

We could easily get the same information on his website (and many of us probably have already, en route to our decision to support someone else)?

I could just as easily fill this forum with Edwards information and I'm sure it would also sink like a rock, for the same reason.

I'm sure it's been fun for you though, so don't stop.

:hippie:

Edit: P.S. certain M a l l o... certain people don't necessarily represent the cream of the Edwards supporters crop, just as certain people don't represent the cream of the Obama supporters crop. So let's tone down the rhetoric, ok? Remember that there's a good chance we're gonna be on the same side soon (it just remains to be seen which one will be at the top of the ticket).

[Carrieyazel]

41. Your basic liberal Democratic stances. We know that. But HOW is he going to do anything?

And what action is he going to take? He's a whole bunch of hype.

[jlake]

43. SOOOOO Generic and I call BS

Where are the details, and how he is going to do it.
What issues is he discussing that no one else is.
What are his positions on GLBT issues

[AtomicKitten]

45. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Thanks for posting.

[CTLawGuy]

47. they don't think he has substance

becuase they don't WANT to think he has substance, that's too inconvenient for their candidate.

[magatte]

48. K&R

:kick:

[Marrah_G]

49. It's the same in all the camps. Obama's has it's share of asshats also.

[laureloak]

50. Does Obama "inspire" you to act like JERKS?

If you're so damn inspired to do something good, start by being nice.

[Occam Bandage]

62. Yep. How dare we stick up for our candidate.

[laureloak]

65. You can do that without acting like an ASShole.

Remember that you'll probably have to kiss up later!

[MethuenProgressive]

52. "Barack Obama on Faith" is a "Missing Topic"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

54. Just for you... and kick this thread!

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

[racaulk]

53. Only two of those links work now.

The "Energy and the Environment" and "Education" links are the only ones that are valid. Did the other topics get moved to a different forum?

:shrug:

[babylonsister]

55. They're all here:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[racaulk]

57. Thank you for the link, but that doesn't answer my question.

Are the mods moving those links out of GDP? If so, why? It seems like this would be the appropriate forum for that information to be discussed.

Just seems weird to me, is all...

:hi:

[babylonsister]

58. I assumed they were broken links, but now I don't know what to

think. I'll bet there were hateful comments on them, so bad the mods got rid of the missing ones. :hi:

[Occam Bandage]

64. Nah, no hateful comments. People started complaining about "spam."

I think they just didn't want to have evidence that Obama actually has substance out there for people to read.

[MethuenProgressive]

56. ObamaNation flamed them up so bad they all got locked and removed.

They're a fine bunch, them there ObamaNationals...

[Occam Bandage]

61. Actually, they had nothing in them but "kicks." Some Edwards guys started

complaining that we were "spamming" by posting our candidate's positions on things, so they were deleted.

[Occam Bandage]

63. They were all deleted. Edwards supporters successfully complained to the mods

that they were spam.

[ShortnFiery]

60. Thank-you OB. eom.

[cloudythescribbler]

66. Is it my computer or are most of these pages now inaccessible

I liked especially what I saw on Civil Rights and Energy and Environment, as far as they went. On MY computer at least, the topics on economy, technology, poverty, and foreign policy and some others were all inaccessible.

Can they be reposted, possibly as three-way comparisons, maybe ONE or TWO topic focuses a day?

Sorry to be a LAZY bum making these requests of Katz (yay)

[Bucky]

67. kay and arr

[FredScuttle]

68. Barack Obama on "Ex-gay" Clown Bigots and Their Role In The Campaign

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