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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:06 PM
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PolitiFact makes rulings on Staurday's NH Debate claims
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jan/06/two-parties-one-night/

SUMMARY: We find some truth, some exaggerations and a Pants-on-Fire falsehood at the dual debates in New Hampshire.

ABC News billed Saturday night's dual debates as "Two Parties, One Night," which conjures images of friendly get-togethers with cocktails and hors d'oeurves. But they were more like raucous family dinners where the kids can't stop heaving insults at each other.

At the Republican debate, John McCain and Mike Huckabee took turns making wisecracks about Mitt Romney's flip-flops. (McCain sarcastically called Romney "the candidate of change.")

At the Democratic debate, Barack Obama and John Edwards teamed up against Hillary Clinton, who in turn called Obama a flip-flopper.

We fact-checked many of their claims:

* Romney earned our Pants-On-Fire rating for his ridiculous claim that his TV ads do not accuse McCain of supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants. Perhaps Romney should look at his own ads, which say McCain "wrote the amnesty bill." Or the Romney for President press release that says "Senator McCain has ... supported amnesty."

* Romney was also way off with his claim that Obama "wants the government to take over health care." That's a distortion of Obama's plan, which keeps the free-market health care system intact. We gave Romney a Barely True.

* We give Mike Huckabee a False for claiming that Romney was late to support the surge of troops in Iraq. We find Romney and Huckabee both supported it from the start.

* Rudy Giuliani continues to blame Bill Clinton for shrinking the military even though PolitiFact and our colleagues at FactCheck.org and the Washington Post have repeatedly said it is a distortion by he and Romney, who made the same claim. In fact, the defense cuts under the "peace dividend" had bipartisan support. So once again, we rate this claim a Half True.

* We found Giuliani was on more solid ground with his claim that President Reagan backed amnesty for illegal immigrants. We gave that claim a True.

* Clinton had her numbers right when she said 7,000 kids in New Hampshire have benefited from the children's health insurance program. We previously determined that her boasts about the plan inflated her role, but she qualified them this time by indicating she "helped to create" the program. So we rated the statement True.

* Clinton was also right that Obama's New Hampshire chairman is a lobbyist. We gave that a True.

* Bill Richardson was correct when he said he created a reserve for home heating oil when he was energy secretary. We gave his claim a True

* Clinton offered a misleading account of Obama's vote on the Patriot Act. We gave that claim a Half True.

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:20 PM
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1. And John Edwards.....
...Doesn't exist in our universe either.....
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:23 PM
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2. Hist father was a mill worker...
It's true...

again...
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:23 PM
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3. Isnt that a good thing?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:23 PM
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4. Not sure what the OP has to do with Edwards, but you seem obsessed in attacking him.
Guess it doesn't matter if the thread even has anything to do with him...

Calling bullshit when I see it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:06 PM
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5. * Clinton was also right that Obama's New Hampshire chairman is a lobbyist. We gave that a True.
:kick:
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:35 PM
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6. One Point
To say that, "Barack Obama and John Edwards teamed up against Hillary Clinton" is misleading. It implies that they were complicit, when in fact they were not.

The fact is, Edwards defended Barack in order to bring the spot light to himself. Edwards probably wanted to get a dig in on her, for whatever reasons, and he took the opportunity. Barack said nothing to link himself with Edwards. The brief interchange really can be viewed no other way.

It is irresponsible of you to include that in this post.

I can only deem your review biased until you reword that.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:38 PM
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7. I saw it that way too,
but it was unfortunate that they were standing next to each other, and Obama seemed sour and petty with his "likable enough" snark.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 07:25 AM
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8. "It is irresponsible of you to include that in this post."
"I can only deem your review biased until you reword that."

It is irresponsible of you to deem me biased.
The wording in the OP is from the linked website, and had you bothered to
click before typing, you would've seen that.
Welcome to DU.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:53 AM
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9. well thank you for the welcome
but I still think you should have added some kind of disclaimer in, because you were quoting a biased source
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