How's this for experience? Hillary says that Putin "doesn't have a soul"

[zulchzulu]

You'd think she'd know when to shut her piehole about other world leaders that could seriously get us in ANOTHER war, but Hillary seems to just not get it... heck, war is good for business and the people backing her campaign.

Speaking in Hampton this evening, Hillary Rodham Clinton said the president of Russia "doesn't have a soul."

She was riffing on the danger of inexperience, and reliance on personal relationships, in foreign affairs, indirectly comparing Obama to George W. Bush, who notoriously looked into Vladimir Putin's soul and liked what he saw.

"I could have told him — he was a KGB agent. By definition he doesn’t have a soul," Clinton joked.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Hillary_Putin_doesnt_have_a_soul.html

She appears to be riffing on the danger of of her OWN inexperience and certainly her own solid record of reckless solidarity with George Bush.

On edit: I took out the photo of Hillary in her usual caustic self.

[Colobo]

1. That's experience...

[Kittycat]

35 Years of experience, taken right from the *bush family idiots book. eom

[itsrobert]

2. That picture is not cool

that's below my standards.

[Capn Sunshine]

9. I agree

it looks photoshopped. Even if it's real, it's a terrible pic of her .
I like this one, it's honest and genuine...

[zulchzulu]

23. Oh....OK....

I took the photo out. Actually, it wasn't far from the look she had when doing her "moment" at the Saturday debate.

[The Magistrate]

3. Strikes Me As An Excellent Judge Of Character, Sir....

[zulchzulu]

24. Yeah, what a great way to start off a Presidency...

...except she won't get the chance anyway.

Should we completely insult other World leaders in a childish way? I can think of someone occupying the White House at this moment that made it an art form.

Jus' sayin',

[Zynx]

50. Look at the stuff other world leaders say all the time.

I don't even need to post links on that one. If you follow the news at all you know what I am talking about. They say things that actually are crazy, rather than things that are simply true.

Just because you think Putin is such a nice guy, I will post this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1927726,00.html
Yeah, real fucking sweetheart and diplomat.

[The Magistrate]

66. Mr. Putin, Sir, Is Best Dealt With On the Line That Observation Suggests

He will not mind a bit, you may depend on it....

[TwilightZone]

4. I'm not sure that I'd rush out to defend Putin's character.

Is that what you're doing?

[zulchzulu]

27. I'm not sure that I'd rush out and insult Putin if you're thinking you have "experience"

What good does it do to say something as completely inane as that? Does she want to go to war with Putin?

Does she think that by insulting him like that that we can work on getting rid of loose nukes in that region?

She is an ass.

[TwilightZone]

32. I think that you understand Putin significantly less...

than you think you do.

[zulchzulu]

39. So insulting other world leaders is...um... a good thing?

Hillary was just doing her best McCain. From someone who has no soul like herself, I could see how she sees Putin not having one either.

[TwilightZone]

46. Zynx said it better than I could....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3975192&mesg_id=3975579

[zulchzulu]

52. Maybe we know Putin is an ass, but do we publicly insult him with a stupid comment?

Yeah...he's not exactly Mother Theresa.

But, if you are even planning on being President and will have to deal with VERY CRITICAL matters where Putin is involved, do you say stupid ass shit like he "doesn't have a soul"?

Chimpy does shit like that. Is that what you admire in Hillary?

[Zynx]

55. Just because Putin and Bush are enemies does not lend credibility to Putin.

Putin has said his fair share of really stupid shit as well. This guy is not civilized. http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1927726,00.html To Hell with him. I'm not concerned about the guy's feelings. Not everyone is entitled to respect.

[TwilightZone]

59. Who gives a shit?

The guy is a thug, but he's not going to launch a nuclear attack because Hillary made a joke about him.

Does your knee hurt when it jerks like that?

[Zynx]

53. You cannot possibly believe the crap you are saying.

Look, I think Obama is prepared, but I don't think that we need to call Putin a nice guy when he is the antithesis of freedom, liberty, and goodness. Not all world leaders are entitled to respect. Since when do we have to shrug and say, "Oh well, that's just fine." when we are staring at a deep pit of evil and inhumanity?

[zulchzulu]

57. OK. So you're President. Do you call other world leaders "asswipes", "dipshits", "wackjobs"?

Being President is more than some being some hogfucker yapping insults at other World leaders that are completely off base.

Perhaps you took enough acid to think that Putin "doesn't have a soul". Yuckety fuckety yuck fucking yuck...

:crazy:

[Zynx]

61. Putin is not entitled to polite comments.

Do I think Hillary should have maybe kept that comment to herself and her advisers? Maybe. However, I will never be terribly upset when a world leader is called for what he/she is.

Vladimir Putin is an evil man. I am absolutely convinced of it. Maybe he has a soul, but it is a perverted and evil one.

[Mother Of Four]

5. If that quote is for real...

:wtf:
:banghead:

[JVS]

6. Merry Christmas Vladimir! Keep up the good work!

[CoffeeCat]

7. How much "soul" does it take...

....to vote for Kyl/Lieberman and help George Bush with his PR strategy to start war with Iran?

Thank God the NIE came out and the CIA stopped those bastard neocons in their tracks.

Otherwise, Bush would be standing in the rose garden right now, "Lookee her. I warned those Iranians many
times. They won't stop nucleating. Now, we're going to war. I'm not going alone. The Senate
agrees with me. They declared Iran a 'terrorist organization.' They all know what I do to
terrorists. Now watch this drive."

Soul. My hiney.

[Nailzberg]

8. That's like the decoy head in Total Recall right before it blows up.

Get ready for a surprise! :nuke:

[TwilightGardener]

10. Aw geez, stealing John McCain's line about seeing "K...G...B"--

and WTF with Putin not having a "soul"? He might not be a great guy, but he's not fucking Stalin either.

[Zynx]

11. Putin is a bad man. He might not be a Stalin, but he is a Breshnev.

He is one evil guy.

[TwilightGardener]

15. Oh, Lordy, here we go, maybe she should make an "axis of evil" speech too--

this kind of rhetoric does not help. Nobody is saying she should praise him or appease him, but really...do we need to reprise the Cold War?

[Zynx]

45. I think we can give him the cold shoulder.

I am sick of dealing with reprehensible governments.

[TwilightGardener]

58. No--we can't. We have to deal with Putin and Russia. You can't

just ignore them, it's not that kind of world anymore.

[zulchzulu]

34. Please do tell...how is Putin like Breznev?

This I gotta see...

[Zynx]

43. Are you kidding?

Total political control, killing and jailing of political opponents, supression of the press, domination over neighbors, war crimes in Chechnya. This guy is a complete and total authoritarian who has managed to manipulate the political system for perpetual power. This, to me, is like trying to debate Mugabe is not a dictator.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Nowhere near the nomination and already picking fights.

[jlake]

13. To me this shows she is an excellent judge or character.

Unlike Bush & 0bama

[CoffeeCat]

19. I think you're right....

Didn't Obama take time off of campaigning last week to watch "High School Musical" and
play a little croquet with Putin?

[jlake]

20. Nah, too busy rubbing elbows with homophobic preachers.

[zulchzulu]

33. Nothing like having homophobes on your web site and payroll

Oh you Hillary fans. I feel so sorry for your loss... I mean future losses. They are inevitable.

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

36. Just curious...

What is Hillary's stance on those issues?

Is she for gay marriage?

[Beausoir]

29. Bingo. Ferchrissakes! This is PUTIN we're talking about! My god....

now the Hillary bashers are propping up Putin???

[zulchzulu]

31. Uh..yeah...let's piss off Putin. How fucking ingenious of her!

Cheney says shit like that...oh wait... he's "experienced" too.

:rofl:

[incapsulated]

14. lol, it's a good line...

And if everyone here wasn't a humorless candidate drone, they might laugh.

[Armstead]

16. It's about as witty as "Bring it on"

Suppose she gets elected and has to meet with him at the first summit.

I doubt her little 'joke" is going to endear her to him.

[TwilightGardener]

17. It doesn't help. It heightens tensions. She's going overboard to prove

her hawkiness, and she'll do it in office, too--much to our detriment. I am more determined than ever to keep Miss Chip On Her Shoulder out of the White House.

[incapsulated]

18. Oh, FFS

He's a thug and it was a joke about what Bush said.

OMG IT WILL START WW3!

Please.

[Armstead]

25. Didn't say it would start WW3 -- It's just dunderheaded

There's no reason to alienate someone in his position before she even gets into office.

[JVS]

30. Oh yeah. Insulting a popular head of state from a country that we need to continue getting along...

with is a laugh riot.

[incapsulated]

37. This forum is so thick with fake outrage

And bullshit it is unreal.

Thank Christ I'm not involved with a candidate this time.

I honestly didn't think it could get worse than 2004. I was wrong.

[TwilightZone]

44. Worse than the Dean/Clark wars?

I've been wondering that lately. I remember that being a brutal time here, but then, it's gotten pretty brutal around here the past couple months.

I was way too "emotionally invested" in Clark last time. I'm an undecided this time around, and it's definitely a different perspective. The amount of garbage and kneejerking coming from all directions is pretty disturbing.

[Mr_Monday]

21. Subtle and tactiful language there Hillary nt

[Beausoir]

22. As opposed to George W. Bush who said he "looked into" Putin's eyes and determined he was a

"good man!"

Yeah. Let's bash Hillary Clinton for calling Putin a tool.

[Renew Deal]

28. They are two extremely dumb remarks.

That comes with White House experience I guess.

[Renew Deal]

26. That's a dangerously stupid remark.

I know she's trying to make contrasts. She showed how irresponsible she can be.

[Tom Rinaldo]

68. Putin will get a chuckle out of it. The man IS an ex KBG agent...

...he's not going to take offense at a political quip for christ's sake. It's not like he's a Mike Huckabee who might actually care how his soul or lack of one gets joked about. The KGB was a pallor of a militantly atheistic state, remember?

Putin is as hard as steel, and I don't mean that as an insult - just a fact. The man is not about to become unglued over this joke.

[Skip Intro]

35. Her words didn't spark riots in Pakistan. That was Obama.

You should feel proud posting a pic that would otherwise be relegated to right wing bullshit sites.

Pat yourself on the back for that, z.

[zulchzulu]

42. I thought you'd think it was her gettin' all fired up 'n sheet...

That is a picture of her "being tough", is it not?

[Skip Intro]

48. Why did you remove it? Don't deflect, Obama, answer the question.

[Skip Intro]

38. on edit, why did you remove the pic?

[zulchzulu]

41. She looked so powerful...

...or did she? You answer that one.

[Skip Intro]

47. You obama people are such class acts. You posted a bs pic of her and then removed it. Why?

[zulchzulu]

49. I could put the one with her and Murdoch smiling if you want a photo

Did I hurt your feelings?

:rofl:

[Skip Intro]

51. I just want to see how far you will go to aviod explaining your actions...are you a coward?

[zulchzulu]

54. You never cease to amaze me with your witless mental masturbation

Perhaps you have a photo of Hillary that I should post.

[Skip Intro]

56. Your op says you removed a pic of Hillary, I saw it. Why did you remove it?

Getting a straight answer from you is like trying to hold onto a wet fish.

You look like a fool here.

Answer the damn question, eh?

[zulchzulu]

60. No...it's you that look like a fool

You support a loser. I feel your pain. Not.

:rofl:

[Skip Intro]

63. Anything but a straight answer. Just like O, hiding from your own actions, insulting those who ask.

You definitely have found your candidate.

[zulchzulu]

69. Stalk much?

Get lost.

[Skip Intro]

72. I think my point was pretty well proven. And what did we learn?

That many Obama supporters, just like you, attack, and then whine and hurl insults when called on it.

Our exchange here proves it.

The fact that your op that clearly says you removed a pic of Hillary you had posted, and the fact that you posted it to begin with, and then removed out of embarrassment, yet still try to hide from it, prove it.

A dazzling display to be sure.

I couldn't have don it without you.

Thanks for playing.

[zulchzulu]

73. Yeah, just like Hillary's campaign has gone "pretty well". Thanks for playing.

Sheesh... tag, you're it. I'm glad you keep kicking the thread so people can see how awful she is. Go for it!

[Skip Intro]

74. Rofl! There you go again. I'm done. The points been made and its there for all to see.

buh bye

[MrSlayer]

40. Sometimes the truth is best left untold.

She's dead on right about Putin, who is as bad as they come, but perhaps she shouldn't be outright insulting him in public. If she should win she's going to have to deal with that bastard.

[fujiyama]

62. She also said Musharraf was "democratically elected"

in last night's debate.

I am not at all impressed with her stances on foreign policy. Biden was right in criticizing her after her other dumb statement about Mushy being up for reelection. Her experience on foreign policy is incredibly shallow. Traveling to Afghanistan and Pakistan and meeting Mushy doesn't impress me one bit.

As for this latest statement, it is unsurprising. Putin may indeed be soulless, but Hillary should realize that he's probably more democratic than her buddy Mushy, who she heaps praise over. And he's also pretty damn powerful and wields great regional and global influence, especially with regards to energy.

[Thrill]

64. Shes suppose to be a Change Agent?

And she's saying one of the most powerful leaders in the world, he has no soul?

Again she's just the status quo

[LittleBlue]

65. How utterly foolish... to say something so openly inflammatory

about another world leader. I don't care what you think of Putin; he is the ruler of Russia with a 70% approval rating from his own people. The people of his country will take that as an insult.

[zulchzulu]

70. Bingo!

Putin is certainly no angel, but when you say utterly juvenile garbage like he "has no soul", what are you expecting to happen?

I'm sure Putin would like to have a few choice words with her. But then again, he's pretty smart.

[Beacool]

67. Oh, please!!!!

She was riffing on the danger of inexperience, and reliance on personal relationships, in foreign affairs, indirectly comparing Obama to George W. Bush, who notoriously looked into Vladimir Putin's soul and liked what he saw.

"I could have told him — he was a KGB agent. By definition he doesn’t have a soul," Clinton joked.

She may have been echoing John McCain's somewhat less personal shot at Putin: "I looked into his eyes and saw three letters: a K, a G and a B."

She said it as a joke, "joke" being the key word here.

[zulchzulu]

71. Oh...it's a, ahem, um, joke...

Sort of like how the Clinton team made an issue of Obama's kindergarden paper and then it...was... a ... joke...

(insert 50's audience laugh track here)

:crazy: