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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:11 AM
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Michael Moore to Barack - "why you are now the second largest recipient of health industry payola"
Friends,

There was no doubt about it. The message from Iowa tonight was simple, but deafening:

If you're a candidate for President, and you voted for the war, you lose. And if you voted and voted and voted for the war -- and never once showed any remorse -- you really lose.

In short, if you had something to do with keeping us in this war for four-plus years, you are not allowed to be the next president of the United States.

Over 70% of Iowan Democrats voted for candidates who either never voted for the invasion of Iraq (Obama, Richardson, Kucinich) or who have since admitted their mistake (Edwards, Biden, Dodd). I can't tell you how bad I feel for Senator Clinton tonight. I don't believe she was ever really for this war. But she did -- and continued to do -- what she thought was the politically expedient thing to eventually get elected. And she was wrong. And tonight she must go to sleep wondering what would have happened if she had voted her conscience instead of her calculator.

John Edwards was supposed to have come in third. He had been written off. He was outspent by the other front-runners six to one. But somewhere along the road he threw off the old politico hack jacket and turned into a real person, a fighter for the poor, for the uninsured, for peace. And for that, he came in a surprise second, ending up with just one less delegate than the man who was against the war from the beginning. But, as Joshua Holland of AlterNet pointed out earlier today, Edwards is still the only front-runner who will pull out all the troops and do it as quickly as possible. His speech tonight was brilliant and moving.

What an amazing night, not just for Barack Obama, but for America. I know that Senator Obama is so much more than simply the color of his skin, but all of us must acknowledge -- and celebrate -- the fact that one of the whitest states in the U.S. just voted for a black man to be our next president. Thank you, Iowa, for this historic moment. Thank you for at least letting us believe that we are better than what we often seem to be. And to have so many young people come out and vote -- and vote for Obama -- this is a proud moment. It all began with the record youth turnout in 2004 -- the ONLY age group that Kerry won -- and they came back out tonight en force. Good on every single one of you!

As the only top candidate who was anti-war before the war began, Barack Obama became the vessel through which the people of this Midwestern state were able to say loud and clear: "Bring 'Em Home!" Most pundits won't read the election this way because, well, most pundits merrily led us down the path to war. For them to call this vote tonight a repudiation of the war -- and of Senator Clinton's four years' worth of votes for it -- might require the pundit class to remind their viewers and readers that they share some culpability in starting this war. And, like Hillary, damn few of them have offered us an apology.

With all due respect to Senator Obama's victory, the most important news out of the caucus this evening was the whopping, room-busting turnout of Democrats. 239,000 people showed up to vote Democratic tonight (93% more than in '04, which was a record year), while only 115,000 showed up to vote Republican. And this is a red state! The Republican caucuses looked anemic. The looks on their faces were glum, tired. As the camera followed some of them into their caucus sites, they held their heads down or turned away, sorta like criminals on a perp walk. They know their days of power are over. They know their guy blew it. Their only hope was to vote for a man who has a direct line to heaven. Huckabee is their Hail Mary pass. But don't rule him out. He's got a sense of humor, he's downhome, and he said that if elected, he'd put me on a boat to Cuba. Hey, a free Caribbean vacation!

Bottom line: People have had it. Iowa will go blue (Happy Blue Year, Hawkeyes!). Whomever your candidate is on the Dem side, this was a good night. Get some sleep. The Republicans won't go down without a fight. Look what happened when Kerry tried to play nice. So Barack, you can talk all you want about "let's put the partisanship aside, let's all get along," but the other side has no intention of being anything but the bullies they are. Get your game face on now. And, if you can, tell me why you are now the second largest recipient of health industry payola after Hillary. You now take more money from the people committed to stopping universal health care than any of the Republican candidates.

Despite what your answer may be, I was proud to sit in my living room tonight and see you and your family up on that stage. We became a bit better tonight, and on that I will close by saying, sweet dreams -- and on to that other totally white state of New Hampshire!

Yours,

Michael Moore
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:16 AM
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1. How many times are you gonna post this? nt
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 10:22 AM by speedoo
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:22 AM
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2. someone suggested posting this here
:breathe: dear. :eyes:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:29 AM
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4. I take full responsibility in requesting it
I would have done it it you hadn't.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:54 AM
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8. Thanks for the post...interesting what Moore says... n/t
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:27 AM
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11. But it's YOUR post. And the subject line is misleading.
It's misleading because the statement you quote is significantly out of context.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:31 AM
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14. I don't think that the quote is out of context. It's a very important question.
I'm with Michael Moore in considering health care to be a crucial issue in the United States. What will Obama do about it? That is a very valid question.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:40 AM
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17. It is a valid question. But the OP took the quote out of context. Twice.
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 11:41 AM by speedoo
Makes it appear as though MM is broadly attacking Obama, which I do not believe he is doing, given the total content of the email.

If the Op were truly just interested in the issue, there are much better ways to ask the question.

I'm just tired of this kind of crap here.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:12 PM
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20. I don't think that the quote is out of context. The context is provided.
The lies about candidates are one thing - I'm totally opposed to them, no matter who. But this is a valid question, and Moore's comment is provided within its context.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:20 PM
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22. The context is not provided by the OP in the subject line.
That's my problem. If someone reads only the OP's subject line, they think MM is attacking Obama broadly. Is that what the OP wants?

If so, it's a cheap, tabloid trick, IMO.

On the other hand, if the OP wants to really explore the issue, there are much better ways to do that without making it appear that MM is attacking Obama.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:40 PM
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26. Gee, no context in an OP subject line
"Gambling, at Rick's!" ("Here are your winnings, sir.")
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:49 PM
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27. If you have a point, I don't know what it is.
But my issue is that the OP twice made a post with a misleading subject line, taken out of context.

Do you have a problem with that?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:09 AM
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37. Open Secrets list of contributions from pharmaceutical/health products...

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products

Hillary Clinton (D)


graph $269,436

Barack Obama (D)


graph $261,784

Mitt Romney (R)


graph $260,535

Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)


graph $138,850

Christopher J. Dodd (D)


graph $84,400

John McCain (R)


graph $69,300

Bill Richardson (D)


graph $28,950

Fred Thompson (R)


graph $26,900

Ron Paul (R)


graph $20,568

John Edwards (D)


graph $15,000

Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)


graph $13,425

Sam Brownback (R)


graph $12,750

Dennis J. Kucinich (D)


graph $5,100

Duncan Hunter (R)


graph $4,050

Tom Tancredo (R)


graph $3,250

Mike Gravel (D)


graph $2,208

Mike Huckabee (R)


graph $500
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ShadesOfGrey Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:06 PM
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19. Thank for posting this here. I would have missed it otherwise. nt

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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:02 AM
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36. I'm glad this was reposted
I'm sure this is in my email box, but, I like to read the comments here in DU. So what if this was posted in Editorials. Posting this in GD-Politics is a very good idea since this is the forum people are focusing on at the moment.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:25 AM
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3. a lot of red states would be blue if ALL registered Dems got out and voted!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:30 AM
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5. Heh.
Somehow I doubt that question will be addressed anytime soon.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:33 AM
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6. The people have spoken!
A big NO to the Iraq war.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:36 AM
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7. You don't understand. Obama is a MOVEMENT. It isn't about substance.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:01 AM
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9. Something like John Edwards' war.......
since his solution to everything seems to be to fight! Like how? What's he gonna do, put on his boxing gloves? No...he speaks of doing it via the bully pulpit.

The difference with Obama is that when he speaks from the Bully pulpit, folks actually get inspired to do something....like speak via the ballot box; getting out and voting!

What's Edwards Bully pulpit instructions gonna be other than that? Or does he propose we "fight" literally? In the streets...?

In otherwords, Edwards talks like he's got solutions to issues....but in reality, he has no more then does Obama. The difference is that Obama can speak softly and carry a big stick, while Edwards wants to kick some ass. How's that gonna work; kicking ass, I mean? :shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:25 AM
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10. I'm still trying to find the substance.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:34 AM
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16. Seriously. Your post sickens me. Do you not know what FIGHT means? You think FIGHT means violence.
It means action. It means STANDING FOR SOMETHING. It means FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING. Have you never FOUGHT FOR ANYTHING? Have you never STOOD ON A PICKET LINE? Have you never STRUGGLED? Have you ever said the word NO?

Fighting is what the Republicans have been doing for 10 years. Fighting to survive is what my community has been doing for centuries. Fighting is what Black folks did in the sixties.

The opposite of fighting is caving, begging, and pleading. That's what the Democrats have been doing for the past 8 years and I want no more of it.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:35 PM
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25. Seems that for the past 7 yrs. all of the entrenched
Dems have already spoke softly and carried a big stick. Same old, same old. Edwards speaks loud and clear and carries a fire in his belly that I want so bad. I really want change no more of this go along to get along crap! Go Johnny Go!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:30 AM
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13. A movement? WTF?! Give me a break!
The only "movement" Obama is about is making sure the corporations that have funded him will be taken care of and taken care of at the expense of the majority of the people.

Wake up! :eyes:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:52 AM
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18. I'm on your side....chill. n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:21 PM
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23. Sorry...
btw...using the sarcasm thingy helps. :shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:08 PM
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30. I wasn't being sarcastic.
This is what I saw in Iowa last night at my caucus. It IS a movement. Like it or not. My question is where is the substance? I don't know what this movement for change means. I don't think the majority of Iowans who caucused for Obama know either.

He just makes them feel good. How bizarre!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:25 AM
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34. It's the Oprah effect. I have no doubt about that.
I've lost ALL respect for Oprah because she is promoting a corporatist. Which makes her one too. :puke:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:28 AM
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12. Wow-Michael Moore is much more forgiving than I. Because I can't forgive Obama for ki$$ing up
to the corporate bastards that are ruining this country. This election isn't and shouldn't be about color. It should be about the class war that is being waged against the middle class and the poor, who are the majority in this country.

Sorry, but whatever Obama is saying is empty rhetoric unless and until he kicks the corporate bastards that he is serving to the curb! :grr:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:52 PM
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32. Edwards is the first candidate who has mentioned pocketbook issues.
These economic issues have been the cause of major personal and family crises since at least the 1990s, when NAFTA was passed (and pushed by Bill Clinton as creating jobs HERE, I might add).

Many, many thousands, perhaps millions of skilled, educated workers have had their jobs eliminated, and their future darkened by NAFTA and the general greed of the ownership class. The middle class has been decimated and nobody has talked about it until Kucinich and Edwards started talking about it.

Perhaps some of the Repub voters who were voting for the rich who didn't give a damn about them, may have gotten hungry and desperate enough to change their minds and their votes. When you realize that with inflation factored in, if you're lucky enough to get a job, you're probably making one-fifth or one-tenth of what you made back in the eighties, if you'd progressed up the job ladder, or even stayed in the same place, it rocks your world. And NOT in a good way.

Obama has no details and neither does Hillary.

My family got into the middle class because my father went to night school on the GI Bill after WW II and got a V.A. loan to buy us a house. Because of that my parents were able to pay for my college education. I was making enough money at my job in the Eighties to pay for graduate school myself, without any loans. Tuition has gone up so much, and wages have gone down so much, absolutely and also relative to inflation, that it would be impossible for me to do that now.

But those degrees and skills don't matter anymore. Only Edwards and Kucinich are addressing these survival/economic issues of joblessness, stagnant economy, mortgage meltdown, homelessness, and lack of universal healthcare.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 11:33 AM
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15. Where the money comes from
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:14 PM
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21. Moore nails it with Hillary. A calculating politician, not a leader.
I'm so glad she lost in Iowa and hopefully continues to lose. We need fresh leadership, Obama or Edwards will be just fine with me.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:30 PM
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24. We should hold him accountable
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 12:39 PM by loyalsister
I think that Moore is making a good point. But, he was more gentle than the subject thread.
All candidates need to be held accountable for anything we want to question.
I think that there is a fine line between holding our candidates accountable and having expectations beyond practicale practice in an election or in administrative function.

For example.....

How does a president forgo any associations with corporations and continue to support the people who work for them?

How does a president enforce and negotiate the Americans with Disabilities Act and not associate with corporations considering when it was written in their favor?

Slamming them repeatedly does people who require such negotiations no good.

A calm negotiator is probably a pretty good representative to have to deal with congress on this. They are also representing their states.


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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 PM
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28. wait
obama wasnt a senator when the first vote happened was he? the vote that started the war. why is micheal pointing at everyone and then states that obama didn't vote for the war initially, he didn't have a choice right? and i just wonder how he would have voted.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:10 PM
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29. The written word eliminates any potential bias of either race or gender...
Reading the statements and positions of all the candidates w/out the benefit of knowing their gender or race highlights the fact that gender and race have a lot to do with our current discussion. Race has everything to do w/ Senator Obama's success and if not, please clarify the differences between Senator Obama and Dennis Kucinich? If Iowans are so insightful, why didn't Representative Kucinich do better? He has consistently spoken out against the war and, even better, has no affiliation with the corporate machine. I find your references to "whitest state", "color of his skin" and "totally white state" more safe than offensive. It's easy to play the race card when content and message are missing.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:15 PM
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31. Oh but Obama would have voted against the 2002 IWR vote
:eyes:

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:41 PM
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33. GO MM.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:50 AM
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40. Hell yeah!
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 01:36 AM
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35. Obama needs to answer this.
Why he thinks he is going to pass a universal health care plan, or why the country is duped into thinking that he will, is beyond many of us. It just will not happen.



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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:17 AM
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39. Indeed he does.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:28 AM
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42. No he doesnt
you and aparently michael need to look closer at the methodology of open secrets. While it doesnt preclude the idea of Obama getting money from huge industrial donnors it also doesnt cement as a fact. It could just as easily be lots of small contribution from people that happen to work in that particualr industry. Unfortunately open secrets doesnt really break it down far enough for us to see where it really comes from.

HOW TO READ THIS CHART: Federal election laws require that all contributions of $200 or more be itemized, with the donor's name, address, occupation and employer fully disclosed. Most members of Congress fully identify the great majority of their donors' occupations and employers — an important point, if voters are to see the economic interests giving to their representative's campaign.

METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are calculated from contributions of $200 or more from individuals, as reported by the candidates to the Federal Election Commission. PAC dollars are not included
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 02:10 AM
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38. Well, at least you include the context. nt
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:23 AM
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41. Keeek..
:kick:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:32 AM
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43. keep posting!!!
Let the Truth be heard!!! So tired of the Obama lies!!!!! He and his wife make huge money form huge corporations...PERIOD! Where are Obama's records...I keep asking...keep hearing their aren't any??? What's up with that?
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:33 AM
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44. Obama would also throw welfare under the bus (again)
Thanks, Mike. You are asking the tough questions, as usual.

And let's go Edwards! :)
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