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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:06 PM
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I'm not sure Obama, Edwards, or Clinton will really "lose" tonight.
If it stays close, it's not a loss for any of them. There'll be a winner, of course, but I'm not sure any of the three will be a loser.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 PM
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Maybe we win by making Iowa irrelevant. Let"S HAVE PRIMARIES ALREADY!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 PM
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1. I'd rather have a clear winner
if the trend holds, they all live to keep going at each other until Feb 5, which will only damage the eventual nominee.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 PM
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2. I don't know how there going to call it,
beyond who wins it. It's so close.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 PM
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3. if a percentage point or two
is all that's separating the top three, you may be right. Of course, whoever places first will claim the mantle of Winner, but may not get as big a bump for NH and SC if it's as close as it could be. Gut instinct is telling me that we may not know who the Nominee is until March.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:07 PM
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4. If Obama wins 98% white Iowa
That is HUGE, no matter what the other candidate supporters try to say about it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:09 PM
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5. Even if he places, there goes the meme that a black person can't win.
And that would be welcome!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:10 PM
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8. Yes, I think that's right.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:10 PM
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6. So much money for this? One big media buy.
Primary already.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:10 PM
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7. I think you're right; thank goodness NH is right around the corner. nt
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:10 PM
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9. I'd be fine if it stays how it is
all three at 31-33% They can all stay alive into NH
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:11 PM
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10. If Hillary ends up in third, she loses
There is no spin out of that.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:12 PM
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11. What you just said is spin.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:13 PM
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13. Afraid not, its a political reality
Someone like Hillary can't spend the time that she spent in Iowa and walk away unwounded from a 3rd place finish.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:13 PM
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15. Yes she can.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:14 PM
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18. Of course she can.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:14 PM
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17. Especially when Obama adds 2nd choice supporters and Edwards' supporters if/when he drops out.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:15 PM
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Thats only in Iowa.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:19 PM
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24. First of all, GOOD! Secondly, if/when Edwards drops out, his support will go more to Obama
everywhere.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:24 PM
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25. Absolutely. Hillary was supposed to be a steamroller; instead, she's a teakettle at best. (NT)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:12 PM
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12. Obama leading by 3% right now without 2nd choice support.
That will add to it.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:13 PM
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14. Looks like a statistical dead heat to me.
Senator Barack Obama : 34.09%
Senator John Edwards : 31.66%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 31.43%
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.75%
Senator Joe Biden : 1.00%
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.04%
Uncommitted : 0.03%
Precincts Reporting: 943 of 1781

Obama's gone up a couple points, but I doubt the remaining precincts will sway it much one way or the other.

This is exactly the way I wanted Iowa to go, and I hope New Hampshire turns out much the same.

As I've said before, if NOTHING is decided until Denver, we all win.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:14 PM
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16. It'll Be A Tie - But Clinton Will Lose Big
The whole "resistance is futile/accept my coronation" thing is blown. Now she'll have to move to plan B, C, D, E, or F. Seems like her campaign has been trying B-F on a daily basis lately.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:26 PM
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26. "Terry? Oh Terry? Just WTF do I do now??? You said you had it in the bag! Bill????" (NT)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:15 PM
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19. If it stays like that, there will be a winner, but no loser. They are too close.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:15 PM
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20. hillary does lose.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 09:16 PM by xchrom
hillary and bill have to go back and THINK about how strong the anti-hillary feeling among dems really is.

two thirds of The Established democratic party front runner didn't throw in for her.

that's deep.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:15 PM
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21. I agree - a 3-way tie is not so meaningful
Let's see how it turns out...
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:16 PM
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23. Clinton's going for the Lieberman win
Finish 3rd but claim she was tied for 1st.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:16 PM
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22. I'm seeing a three-way dead heat.
Everybody stays 'in play'.
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