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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:53 PM
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Poll question: DU Poll - Where is John Edwards in your rankings?
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 03:55 PM by IndyOp
Honest replies, please. :hi:

On edit: Please K&R this thread if you want to see how hundreds of DUers stand on this issue.
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ShadesOfGrey Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:56 PM
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1. First choice.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:57 PM
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2. Kick (n/t)
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:59 PM
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3. kick n/t
nt
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:01 PM
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4. Kick
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:03 PM
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5. Which A Holes voted they wouldn't vote for him in the GE?
Reveal yourselves if you have an ounce of courage.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:12 PM
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13. I won't........
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 04:13 PM by 1corona4u
I'm an Independent, who only switched over to vote for Joe in the primary. Other than Joe, and possibly one other, I have no interest in voting for any one else. I will not vote for the other candidate in the primary, but should that person win the nominee, I will vote for them.

So, If missing my vote means that it indirectly gives it to a repub, so be it. Maybe people will pull their heads out in the next election. The good news is, if John somehow managed to pull it out, he would be a 1 term president.

Why would I choose to not vote for him? Because I don't believe him, I think he's a liar, and I don't think he will get anything done, other than screw up Iraq, that is. I also think he's really a weak candidate all the way around. That's not the kind of candidate I want to be responsible for helping.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:00 PM
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30. that is honest
Thanks for that.

Can you see, though, that some of your advocacy for Biden - a compassionate and brilliant man and an excellent candidate - could be at cross-purposes to the goals of many people here?

I have to object to the continued repetition of what is undeniably a case of character assassination - "he is a liar."
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:15 PM
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31. So is Biden being truthful to you in explaining how his bankruptcy bill vote is GOOD for America?

You vote for Edwards, even IF he's a liar, you're still more consistent in voting for a progressive message. Besides kucinich, he's the only one that's really trying to campaign aginst excessive corporate power, which is THE primary problem America has right now!

If we vote Edwards in, it is not only voting for the person, but moreso it is voting for his message, which is what so many of us feel is necessary for this country.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:18 PM
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40. I agree with the bill....and yes, his reason was honest...
not that it was Biden's bill. Specifically the parts I agree with are;

1. I'm tired of paying for other people's shit, when they get tired of paying for it. It cost each of us $400.00 per year, in increased cost. Now, they have to prove they can not pay a part of it back, where as before, they just shoved it all on the rest of us. If they meet the DMI of $100.00 per month, they must pay a portion of their debt. I say GOOD. I'm tired of people running up thousands in credit card debt, then walking away from it. By the way, credit cards are optional. If people can't afford to pay them, then they souldn't have them. If the rates are too high, and the person's not a credit criminal, they should be able to get good rates.(in the single digits)

2.Now, Women get paid first for child support and alimony, when the shitsack X files for a BK. before, they were the last ones to be paid. I have a friend who hasn't seen any support in 4 year, and the ass just filed a BK. So it's about to work for her, and she is single/working, with small 2 kids.


The bottom line is, the BK bill isn't the problem. The economy is the problem, as are jobs, and housing, etc, and if you address that first, then BK's would be a lot less frequent. Additionally, BK's are on the rise. If the bill hindered people from filing, they'd be going down.

Oh, and for the record, Biden's health care plan INCLUDES catastrophic health care, so people wouldn't lose their homes, in the event of a financial health related crisis. So, I guess, if people wanted to throw that in the mix, then they should consider voting for Joe. Is anyone else offering that?



Let me reiterate. I will not vote for Edwards, and I would never vote for DK. I am a moderate Independent. The reality is, the BK bill, can, and probably will be changed again, but once people pick president, we are stuck with that person for 4/8 years. That could have far worse consequences than the BK bill ever could.



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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 12:46 PM
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55. I don't understand why you make this argument.
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 12:47 PM by Usrename
"I'm tired of paying for other people's shit, when they get tired of paying for it."

Well then don't, 1corona4u. You know that: " By the way, credit cards are optional.

I guess it's just a whole lot easier to blame the victims than it is to address the problem. I think you are pathetic.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:15 PM
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59. Then what are you doing here if you're a moderate independent?
This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. For DEMOCRATS. Mainly progressive democrats at that. I think it's ridiculously selfish to not vote and send the country down the shitter even further for 4 years just to make a point and stroke your massive ego.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:31 PM
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36. "Screw up Iraq?!" LOL!
How can you screw up what is already a disaster?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:19 PM
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41. Well, you can go and take everyone out, without a political solution...
which would leave chaos behind...and then we'd be back there is 6 months.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:23 PM
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44. It's like the old Clash song
Should I stay or should I go now? If I go there will be trouble. If I stay it will be double!

The fact is it's already a disaster but the Iraqis are never going to sort it out until we get the hell out. They have no reason to take charge as long as we're doing the fighting for them. It's time to leave where we should never have gone. I frankly never supported this 'war' of aggression and theft and did not/do not consent for any more of my tax dollars going to it. It's time to go!
The morons responsible for this never planned any of it, let alone strategy to get out. The fact is they don't want to get out or they would not be building those fancy embassies.

It's past time to go!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:12 PM
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14. you are using the wrong letter :-) nt
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:47 PM
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28. No, its the correct letter...
I like to make up my own mind, not follow along like sheep.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:20 PM
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20. The same ones that keep posting it in threads, I reckon
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:22 PM
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22. I wouldn't either, but I think it's
academic. Edwards won't get the nomination.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:48 PM
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29. I hope not....
and I have concerns about all of the others as well.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:03 PM
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6. To those who say they would not vote fore Edwards if he won the nomination...
Who are you going to vote for? Rudy or McCain? or it could be Huckleberry
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:30 PM
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64. Doesn't matter; Edwards would NEVER carry my state
Fortunately, he won't get the nomination either.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:34 PM
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65. And that is why wouldn't vote for him?
About as screwed up as some of the dumb ass reasons I heard during the 04 election why people wouldn't vote for Kerry.

Look where that got us!
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:16 PM
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71. I gave no reason for not voting for him
You have a hard time following a train of thought?

If so, I'll reiterate. You asked, "Who are you going to vote for? Rudy or McCain? or it could be Huckleberry." I said, it doesn't matter who I vote for, because Edwards has no chance of winning my state. No matter who I vote for, my vote will not count. Then I added that, aside from that, it also doesn't matter because Edwards will not win the nomination, so I'll never need to decide not to vote for him. Of that I am convinced.

Fwiw, I won't ever vote for a Republican. But I realize that if I don't vote against the Republican, it pretty much amounts to the same thing. But again, it doesn't matter anyway.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:38 PM
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69. MY MY West Clark kelp him from winning Iowa
He would have beaten KErry , if Clark the half republican hadn't gotten in the race.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:09 PM
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70. LOL!
"West" Clark didn't even run in Iowa, so he hardly "kelp" Edwards from winning there.

Glad to know you're still as sharp as ever, maw.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:19 PM
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72. Oy
Oy, oy, oy.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:06 PM
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7. Number 2 right behind Dennis
Dennis is a true Democrat, I have some reservations about the rest of the field but John is definitely 2nd. John is behind the working person more so then any other canidate (besides Dennis)
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:07 PM
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8. Ditto, goddess.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:08 PM
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9. Me too
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:11 PM
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11. No question in the poll reflected Edwards standing in my estimation...
he was never a favorite and as of now, is falling to somewhere around Dodd.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:11 PM
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12. Same story here. n/t
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:44 AM
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51. Same here. Hanging with Dennis until I'm forcedt o give him up.
Edwards is the second best choice imho. The other 'top' 2 have no clue on what the people need or want. HRC and her common law marriage to buscho and Obama who(m) I can't relate to at all, generation gap maybe?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:36 AM
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53. Same
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:09 PM
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10. I B
I would be comfortable with a Clinton,Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Obama candidacy in that order...
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:43 PM
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27. We're almost in the same order
I've got Biden up from Edwards (but I guess I would say it's a tie for #2).
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:14 PM
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15. ahead of HillaryObama nt
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:14 PM
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16. Rec & Kickin'
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:




INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT IMPRECATE INCARCERATE :patriot:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:14 PM
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17. Tied with Obama for dead last.
He'd be lower if I used negative numbers.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:14 PM
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18. K&R
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:19 PM
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19. Edwards is 3rd behind Biden then Kucinich n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:21 PM
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21. He's not my first, but
My first choice is Kucinich, but I'd be glad to vote for Edwards if he changed his health care plan, which I think he could be persuaded to do.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:23 PM
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23. Edwards CAN win!
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 04:28 PM by patrice
And by that I mean, if he gets a chance, most of the voters will choose him.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:26 PM
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24. Edwards is my last choice - why isn't that an option?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:18 PM
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33. My logic is that if he is
in someone's top 3 then they would gladly donate or work for him in the general election if they could and they would certainly vote for him.

If Edward's isn't in your top 3, then what is most you are willing to do? donate/work for his campaign? vote for him? Or is he so low on your list that you would not even vote in the election if he were the candidate.

:hi:
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 10:48 PM
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48. I'd vote for him, and I even clicked on the thing for that, but if #s are an option, I'd like more
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:39 PM
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25. I couldn't decide between Edwards and Obama for third choice.
My choices are Hillary, Biden or :shrug:
I certainly would happily vote for him in the GE if he wins the primary but I doubt if I'd work for him. Who knows maybe I'll change my opinion as time passes. I definitely like him more now than originally. I still worry if he's film-flaming us as he's an experienced defense lawyer with lots of practice. If he really does work hard to do his best to do all the things he says he will...I would love him, but now I frankly don't quite trust him...but I'm trying to as I don't want to not like or trust another president...and he might win the election.

I really think Hillary would work the hardest and she has a proven record for doing that. I don't think Edwards was a particularly ambitious senator when he was in office...but maybe I'm wrong.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:41 PM
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26. Third
Biden's my second. But if Edwards starts to rise and it looks like Hillary won't make it, I'll be happy to support him in the GE.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:18 PM
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32. For most of us there's more than one correct answer
Edwards is my 3rd choice, but if he wins the primary, I'll absolutely vote for him.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:33 PM
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37. I figured that anyone who would put him in their top 3 would definitely vote for him
in the general election - they might or might not vote/donate to his campaign, but they would at least vote for him.

:hi:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:19 PM
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34. John Edwards is my 1st choice...
But I will gladly support whoever wins the primary.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:30 PM
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35. *Kick* n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:57 PM
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38. Kucinich 1st,
but I am willing to compromise rightwards for Edwards as an electable Unity candidate.

HillBama supporters should consider moving leftward and supporting Edwards as an electable Unity candidate.


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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:58 PM
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39. Of the serious candidates....
In other words excluding Kucinich and Gravel...Edwards is my dead last choice...
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:52 PM
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42. First - First and First!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:55 PM
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43. First or second.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:28 PM
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45. He is all the way Numero Uno!
K & R!


Go John Go!


The Peoples Prez!


All the way to the White House !:woohoo:


:patriot:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:31 PM
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46. 19 poll responders would not vote for Edwards? Are they trolls,
or are they DLC blue dogs?
:shrug:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:54 PM
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47. Is there a difference?
:evilgrin:

For the record, Johnny is at #3 in my current rankings. Definitely Maybe, as Oasis would say.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:10 PM
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49. Most of them are on ignore.
As I find out who they are I automatically put them on my no read list.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:35 PM
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50. kick
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:59 AM
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52. Third after Obama and Kucinich.
I like Edwards' message but I'd prefer someone with a progressive record to match.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 10:17 AM
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54. k and r
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 12:52 PM
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56. Kick
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:05 PM
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57. First choice, followed by Obama...Hillary is about my 153rd choice.
:)
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:09 PM
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58. Well, let's see now...
duh.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:23 PM
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60. Absolutely FIRST!
Nice to see I'm not alone on DU!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:31 PM
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61. I will support the Democratic nominee in November
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:40 PM
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62. 1st Choice! K&R n/t
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:16 PM
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63. To whomever the 7% is that indicated they would not vote
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 03:17 PM by utopiansecretagent
at all if Edwards won the primary, I have but one thing to say:

You are all ideological idiots.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:19 PM
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73. It has nothing to do with ideology
The ideology Edwards is espousing is great.

I don't trust him to live up to it. In fact, I'd bet money he would do the exact opposite if he ever made it to the White House. But that will never ever happen.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:36 PM
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66. Has been my favorite since he ran for the Senate in N. C.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:38 PM
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67. 2nd choice.n/t
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 02:38 PM
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68. Kick!!
:dem:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 06:38 PM
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74. I live in Chapel Hill. If it's Edwards, I'm working for him.
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