But seriously - my daughter and son-in-law prayed at their wedding

[hedgehog]

for a friend who was in the hospital that weekend having his face re-built after it was shot up in Iraq. Two weeks ago they went to the funeral of another friend.

Sorry to disrupt the laughter, but if more politicians had stood up and said no back in 2002, maybe those two kids would still be playing soccer on the week-ends.

[sampsonblk]

1. K & R for courage

It was lacking then, and its lacking now.

[hedgehog]

2. Kick because it's not funny enough to float on its own, but I want people to see it.

[tammywammy]

3. Recommended

[Adelante]

4. k&r for Truth nt

[rufus dog]

5. k&R

[aquart]

6. Hindsight is great.

But the only way to prove that something is a really bad idea is to let it play out. Otherwise, it will always be the thing that would have worked brilliantly if we'd only had the courage to do it.

The war was a given from the moment Bush seized office. Just as the Republicans were going to impeach Clinton if they had to get him for jaywalking, Bush was going to invade Iraq no matter what excuse he had to fabricate. And, as long as we allowed him to falsify evidence, as long as the MSM touted lies as truth, there was never a real way to stop it. We might want to look at that.

If you want to complain about lack of courage, we had the proven fact of the votes in 2000, if we had insisted they be counted. But again, people didn't realize, in the main, exactly what was happening. Our government was taken over in a bloodless coup. While our monopolistic media (look how they're rushing to consolidate even further now)stood by and applauded.

Once upon a time, we let them tell us if would heal us if Nixon wasn't punished. It didn't.

[hedgehog]

7. So, all the people who voted to support the IWR in 2002 did so only so

they could point out today in 2007 what a lousy idea it was?


on edit: going through with a bad idea in order to prove how bad it is; that explains NAFTA, welfare reform, initiating the policy of rendition, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act,deregulation of broadcast media........

[sniffa]

8. that's exactly right

how else are we supposed to overlook it?

edit: i remember about 3 years ago or so seeing one of our neighbors at the grocery store; he was shopping with his parents, and he was missing both hands, and part of his face was burnt off. i was against the war before then, but that picture will never leave me.

[hedgehog]

9. Oh God - this war is going to kill my mother if it goes on much longer.

How much longer can this horror go on? Each day we hear something new that makes Saw sound like a children's story. Christmas Day someone posted about the rapes of KBR employees by KBR employees. If I couldn't laugh, I'd be weeping constantly. Right now, the laughter is getting mighty thin.

[sniffa]

12. if it makes you feel any better

some RW, douchebag media actually mocked the guy, and said, he didn't get injured in combat so it doesn't count. yep, that's right: he didn't lose his hands in a firefight, so he's not brave or something. :eyes:

excuse me.

:puke:

[hedgehog]

13. I don't even mention the war to my mom. She's 80 years old and

she feels the pain of every atrocity and she can't believe what we've become.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. well

everyone seemed to be in 9/11 mode back then. There were very few people who dared to challenge the Fuhrer.

[hedgehog]

11. Maybe bravery + judgment trumps experience? nt

[BeyondGeography]

14. Wrong...21 Senators voted against IWR; 133 votes against in the House

and millions more in the streets. Democrats who voted for the resolution out of political calculation would be thrilled with your post.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. it didn't appear that way