What is Kerry's message? What is Edwards message?

[Renew Deal]

We had this as an exercise at the political training camp I was at this weekend.

What is Kerry's message? What is Edwards message?

The message is what they say about themselves all the time. It should be one of the first things that comes to your head when you think of them.

[Scott Lee]

1. They both need time to steal it from Dean

They are trying like the devil to co-opt everything else from Dean, might as well give them some time to complete the package.

[arewethereyet]

2. Edwards wrote his message at least 18 months ago

when everyone was saying Howard who ?

You're thinking Clark

[Scott Lee]

32. Was that why he forgot to pay his taxes?

I see....he was preoccupied writing messages.

[arewethereyet]

34. was that an idea he stole from Dean ? I'm confused ?

I guess its more fun to avoid a challenge than to answer it

[dkf]

3. Edwards has a message...two Americas.

Kerry has a message...he is a Dean kopykat who has no message of his own.

[KittyWampus]

9. Edwards Is The One Now Spewing The Same Faux Protectionist Crap

Dean tried.

He's also pushing the same faux Outsider nonsense.

At least Kerry isn't pretending to be something he's not.

[AP]

14. Edwards is all about valuing work/middle class opportunity/spreading power

(economic, political, and cultural) down and out rather than up to the top of an increasingly steep and tall pyramid.

He's about the power of the government being used to help people to make the fullest contribution to society they can make, which lifts everyone up.

[Kahuna]

4. Kerry: Bring it on. Edwards: I'm a son of a millworker...

:shrug:

[AP]

15. Bring what on? Another rich wife?

[Eloriel]

5. Kery's message: I'm not Bush. I'm electable. I can take the best

of other people's campaigns and use it myself. I can pull dirty tricks to turn an election.

Edwards: I'm the son of a mill worker. Pretty, too. Actually, I agree with Dean that Edwards is a much better candidate than Kerry. Doesn't make me want to support him, tho. And at least with Edwards I'm not tempted to puke or go to sleep or both when I hear or see him.

[IndianaGreen]

24. Edwards is actually very likable and charismatic

while all I see from Kerry is that hideous $75 haircut.

[kodi]

6. kerry: "bush is wrong." edwards: "this is what i'll do."

kerry is running against what bush has done.

edwards is talking about what he will do.

tell me which inspires more.

[katieforeman]

8. well said

[KittyWampus]

7. Edwards "I'm The Son Of A Millworker"

and he is telling us a lie.

He also is now pandering to fear and pushing Protectionism. Bascially anti-Clinton the way Dean was.

He is also parroting Dean's "outsider" crap... but at least Dean was sort of an actual outsider.

[wuushew]

13. What is wrong with protectionism?

I will trade market efficiency for job security anyday. The shortfall can be made up by taxing the Bush class.

[AP]

16. Screwing over workers to increase profits for insiders isn't good for...

...the market anyway. Even Henry Ford knew as much.

[KittyWampus]

17. Market "Efficiency"? Try Global Economy

Protectionism can be good for emerging markets.

America ideally should be a hotbed of new technological developement as manufacturing jobs go overseas to other countries developing their middle class.

Or maybe you'd prefer having poor Islamic men join Al Qaeda?

At any rate, you think Americans should be kept toiling in factories?

[AP]

20. Globalism is not building up middle classes abroad. Look at Haiti. It's

giving big profits to owner of capital which they're using to buy control of governments so that they'll never have to lift up the working class into the middle class (because they don't want to pay higher wages which would cut into their profits).

[wuushew]

21. I hate to break it to you but there are only so many service jobs

how many computer programmers or engineers do you think large companies need? Not that many. Certainly far fewer than the numerous manufacturing jobs people have been forced to leave. The future of Amerika is food service and nursing jobs.

While in a perfect world the rest of the globe would rise through free trade to meet our standard of living this would ultimately be disastrous for the environment. The wasteful resource intensive Amerikan lifestyle has several times more the negative environmental impact of the entire population of India. Poverty in actuality is more sustainable then our heathen oil religion.

Why not keep the standard of living high in this country while simultaneously practicing domestic negative population growth. The rest of the world can come here to work and we can provide a strong labor protection environment. Pat Buchanan already agrees with protectionism except that he would view negative population growth as a recipe for white extinction.

[KittyWampus]

23. Factory Jobs Are High Standards?

You can't keep all jobs here.

FACT.

And if you actually read my post, you'd see I mentioned technological advancement... as in ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.

We would need to enforce copyright.

Go argue with Krugman.

[AP]

25. Someday in the future if labour costs become roughly equal, mnfg jobs will

move back to US because cost of transportation could make mnfg far from the place of fiinal consumption too expensive.

[wuushew]

26. When is this developement in alternative energy supposed to happen?

Ideally years before President Gore would have funded it. Peak oil will happen too quickly for purely free market forces to adjust. The future is bleak no matter who is sitting in the Whitehouse. To provide adequate jobs something on the scale of or exceeding the Apollo program would be needed. Is a Republican Congress going to fund that on top of the looming deficit and collapse of Social Security?

[KittyWampus]

29. Well, It Was Part Of Clark's Plan.

why the hell this wasn't the CENTRAL theme of every Democrats platform I just don't understand.

It has everything a Progessive AND Coroporate enabler could ask for...

Tech jobs, manufacturing jobs, sales, market share, government subsidy, environmental reclamation.

Of course, we could paint the GOP as obstructionists...

Sigh. :(

[GreenArrow]

36. "...President Gore would have funded it..." one point of difference

Years before President CARTER would have funded it.

[wuushew]

22. I think ending our one sided support of Israel

would accomplish much on the war in terror IMHO.

[KittyWampus]

28. I Think That Might Be Part Of A Winning Strategery

Part of one, anyway. :)

[Meldread]

10. Kerry: Vote for me because everything is better with Ketchup!

Sorry I just shamelessly stole that slogan from another post, but I laughed out loud when I read it. These boards seriously need some humor.

[katieforeman]

11. Edwards has a vision of one America where the family

you're born into and the color of your skin do not determine your desitny.

Kerry- I fought in Vietnam.

[quinnox]

12. Messages

Kerry: I will keep the country safer than Bush in these troubled times. Bush has done just about everything wrong.

Edwards: I empathisze with the common man, and will govern from these values. Bush comes from wealth, and I come from a different place.

[AP]

18. Bleachers, a personal question:

Your posts have changed DRAMATICALLY! And you say you attended politics camp recently.

Honestly, did politics camp change the way you think about things?

If so, could you write about it -- I mean, more than just asking what people think the candidates's personas are built upon. I mean, how it changed you (if it did change you).

[BurtWorm]

19. Kerry's Message: I am a war hero and Bush is not.

Edwards' message: I want you to think I think positive. :eyes:

[DjTj]

27. Edwards' message is the American Dream.

He has lived the American Dream and he wants to create a country where all Americans have the opportunity to do the same - a country that is safer because it is once again respected by the world, with a government that works for the people instead of corporate interests, and with a tax code that values work over wealth.

People have been saying lately that Edwards' message has been shifting, but I just re-read my pre-Iowa essay, and it's exactly the same stuff he's still saying. Trade is even the first thing I talk about when I go into his economic policies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/01/19_edwards.html

Kerry's message is that experience and a dedication to service are what's needed in American leadership today.

I actually think Kerry's message is pretty compelling too, but doesn't Edwards' message just make you feel a whole lot better?

[Scott Lee]

30. Edwards: "Don't bother paying property taxes on your mansion."

Yep, that's a message the average American can really get behind.

[Scott Lee]

31. Kerry: "Do you know who I am?"

[GreenArrow]

33. what is their message?

Why, I want to be president, of course, because I'll do a better job than that other guy.

Their other messages would be, I'll guess:

That Kerry is tough, experienced, means business, and doesn't suffer fools gladly.

That Edwards is a nice guy, the son of a millworker, who cares about regular people like me and you.

[Maat]

35. So much so...that he sponsored an act that negated...

your Fourth Amendment Protections (the U.S. Patriot Act)? Edwards really showed how much he cared for you there.

[AP]

37. Jeez. You're going to be a lawyer. You should know what it means to

'sponsor' legislation.

Now, did Edwards "sponsor" the PA.

[GreenArrow]

38. don't get me wrong, I'm not an Edwards fan at all

but I do believe that Mr. Edwards attempts to portray himself in that light. I further believe that he'll fall short in his attempt to become President.

[scheming daemons]

39. Kerry: "It's my turn, dammit" Edwards: "Do you want to win in Nov or not?"

Kerry is for Democrats in 2004 what Bob Dole was for the GOP in 1996.

He's the candidate we're picking because it is "his turn".

He's not the most electable... not by a longshot. But that's the "platform" he's running on.


Kerry is running against Bush. That's it. "Vote for me, I'm not Bush." That won't sell to middle America. The indies will just vote for Bush again.

Edwards is running against Bush and FOR something as well. Edwards gives lots of non-Dems reasons to crossover. Very few Repukes and Indies will cross over to vote for Kerry... I haven't met a single person who actually "likes" Kerry. Anyone who is voting for him is only voting for him because they hate Bush more.

Nobody, including probably Teresa, likes Kerry personally.

Who would you rather sit down and have a beer with? I know.. Dean would obviously be the best choice... but after that, Edwards would be a much more engaging individual than Kerry. America won't vote for the guy if they don't actually like him.


Kerry doesn't have "it", folks. He's got the scarlet "L" on his forehead, and we're a bunch of masochists if we nominate this turkey.

[Renew Deal]

40. The answer is: Kerry does not have a clear message. Edwards: Two Americas

Kerry doesn't talk about any one clear thing all the time. His message should be something that people should remember. It should also be something that he ties his whole speech to.

Edwards ties everything to his 2 americas message.

[UTUSN]

41. The Message(s) Is/Are Out There

but without WINNING FIRST, the message(s) is/are pointless.