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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:39 PM
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"Obama Avoided Key Votes and Oprah Supported The War"
By Jan McElroy December 9, 07 12:13 PM NH Blogger
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaryvoices/2007/12/obama_avoids_key_votes_and_opr.html

"Barack Obama continues to condemn Hillary Clinton and all the other Democratic candidates for their Iraq vote claiming he was against it from the beginning. But he wasn't even in the Senate then. He didn't have to vote. He was at home in Illinois as a soon-to-be-elected newbie Senator and hadn't yet actually set foot in the Senate. At the same time his friend Oprah was hosting surrogates from the Bush/Cheney administration allowing them to beat the drums of war, selling their stories about Saddam Hussein having connections to Al Qaeda and 9/11 and accusing him of having weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to use against America. As shown on PBS's Bill Moyer's Journal in the story "Buying the War," when a women in the audience questioned their information by simply stating "I don't know what to believe." Oprah cut her short by saying, "We're not trying to propagandize, we are just showing you what is." And in a curt sarcastic tone designed to ridicule the questioner for challenging the administration's view, Oparah angrily added, "You have a right to your opinion," which draw a laugh from the audience. It wasn't funny, as she was acting as an enforcer for the attitude sweeping the country that if you didn't buy into their pro-war scenario, you were anti-American and unpatriotic for doing so.

If Obama had had to vote in the U.S. Senate, I would guarantee you, he would have voted with most of the other Democrats in a set-up by Bush that was scheduled right before the November elctions to force Democrats into a vote they could not refuse without being branded as unpatriotic or worse.

Obama wasn't courageous to take his position, he faced no risk. He didn't have to vote as a member of the senate--a fact he cheerfully leaves out of his statements, which leaves the listener assuming he was.

As for his integrity, courage and dedication to his position in the Senate, there were two important votes since he joined the Senate that required these characteristics: One, to condemn MoveOn.org for its ad on General Petrueas and two, the vote on the Iran Resolution. Obama was AWOL on both of these votes. His excuse was: he was campaigning. I have news for you, so were the other Senators running for the White House, and they made it back for the votes. And yet he stoops to criticize them for their positions, while he takes a free pass. He is not courageous; he is a coward, who talks the game, but won't vote the hard vote. And now, he is using Oprah, who was one of the media facilitators to the war in Iraq, to shill for him so he can draw votes from women and blacks, since Hillary is doing better with both groups than he is. He has shown no leadership, only the ability to avoid the real tests and make big noises about it."
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:41 PM
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1. dupe
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:42 PM
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2. Thanks. Now the evening viewers get a glimpse
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 09:47 PM by durrrty libby
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:26 PM
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27. too much truth?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:32 PM
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30. No, I'm just stating that this same exact article was already posted today
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 11:33 PM by tammywammy
durrrty libby might like to see what others posted on it already.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 09:58 PM
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3. I Won't Vote For Oprah, And Your Contention On Obama Is Badly Flawed
But, as Oprah said, "you're entitled to your opinion".
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:12 PM
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6. I do get a kick out of O + O sanctimonious bullshit
What's that equal? Oh yeah...O + O =O
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:00 PM
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4. The OP: more bashing from the pro-Hillary side....character insults....boring!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:21 PM
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10. Kinda like when Oprah was promoting
Puke Arnold for Gov of Calif. Not pro Hillary here, anti oprah, been that way since the recall
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:35 PM
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11. The sad thing about the Arnold promo was that Oprah didn't give a shit
about the people of California. It was just about

doing a favor for her long time friend Maria Shriver.

It doesn't get more self serving and shallow than that:puke:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:58 PM
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16. So right
so ignorant of her
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:24 PM
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26. Sounds like
Oprah isn't very politically astute. If she had a history of insight and wisdom, her endorsement would have more meaning.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:30 AM
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32. Another Oprah basher who can't defend Hillary
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:37 PM
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12. Another Obama supporter who can't defend Obama
All they have is denial and hate

Why don't they just explain why Obama ducked all those important votes?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:32 AM
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33. Another basher who can't defend Hillary
Can you explain why Hillary made all those votes?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:31 PM
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28. Expressing an opinion is kinda the point of a discussion board. This isn't a church.
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sf_331 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:09 PM
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5. Oprah
and what Oprah said/did in 2005 matters how?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:36 AM
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34. Well it matters to Hillary fans....Oprah supporting a Democrat should be bashed....
and Oprah should be bashed on a personal level...if she supports a Democrat. If that Democrat is not Hillary.

I guess Hillary supporters don't like people supporting Democrats
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:43 AM
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36. And Obama supporters refuse to hold Oprah to the same standard as they do James Carville, a
dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:08 PM
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39. I think Carville's actions on election night 04 were dispicable! SELL OUT
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:39 AM
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35. Oprah is "full of it". It doesn't take a ton of research to reveal her depth.(eom)
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:16 PM
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7. Now I remember that Moyers clip. Oprah had no clue about how bad bushco is.
To clue in America, we need one of those "don't do drugs" commercials that says, "Ok, one more time: this is your brain on drugs." Then an egg in a frying pan appears.

Our commerical would be, "Ok, one more time: this is your country on Republican lies." And then show the national debt, Abhu Ghraib, bush lying about yellowcake, Valerie Plame, Ken Lay stealing your money, big oil stealing your money, New Orleans, more people dying in bush's fool wars than died on 9/11, and the ignored presidential daily briefing.

Either we educate America our bushco will, which they continue to do 24/7.



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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:21 PM
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9. Yep she was clueless and complicit. People should know that
before blindly following her down another untested and dangerous path
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:51 PM
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14. Why?
Oprah's not running for anything. Posters like you are just feeding out of the hands of the neocons - "let them destroy each other and we'll coast in" - classic Rovian technique.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:56 PM
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15. Oh bullshit. "feeding out of the hands of the neocons"?
:rofl:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:18 PM
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8. Oprah was a flag waving pro-war toady...
now she waddles out to show her support for "change"? What change? Change for all the shit she helped to promote on her show? And Obama has been a failure as a Senator, what makes anyone think he would be any better as President?

:kick: and recommend. Good post, durrrty!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:00 PM
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18. Oprah is making Obama's candidacy about RACE...
With almost saying so...she thinks Obama is the messiah!
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:08 PM
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20. Oprah is all about "Oprah"...
She probably voted for Bush the first and second times around...I, personally, can't stand her, but then, I don't like any of those talk show personalities. If she succeeds in defining his candidacy as a "race" issue, she will be doing him a disservice.

Obama a "messiah"? Ugh!!!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:12 PM
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21. Yep, how quickly people forget her oozing charm all over
the Terminator. I wonder if Oprah would have been so pro Obama if he had the same beliefs, but had been a white guy. How come she never thought of endorsing Gore or Kerry when they really could have used her help? Well, then again, what is there to expect from someone who votes for candidates of both parties.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:20 PM
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24. If that's the case, then so was Hillary...
I could link you to the speeches where she's practically foaming at the mouth for war with Saddam.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:22 PM
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25. Oprah did a lot of anti-war shows before the war with Iraq started
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:47 PM
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13. This is just unsubstantiated CRAP
Posted using an OPINION piece totally devoid of credibility. Why do people like you continue to attack "fellow" democrats (fellow in quotes because the poster being a democrat is questionable)??
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 10:59 PM
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17. Do tell what part is "unsubstantiated CRAP " ?
Edited on Sun Dec-09-07 11:03 PM by durrrty libby
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:08 PM
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19. Do you realize what you just asked, durrrty?
You asked an Obama supporter to come up with specifics. Isn't that asking a bit much? :shrug:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:17 PM
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22. Probably
:hi:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:18 PM
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23. Three things...
1. Obama was firmly against the war in 2002 when it would have been popular to be drumming for it. He stated many times that he would not have voted for the Iraq War Resolution. Clinton was sucked into it.

2. The MoveOn non-binding political theatrics to condemn the ad was a waste of time and legislation that played right into Republican hands. Clinton was sucked into it.

3. Obama did not vote for the Kyl/Lieberman amendment giving Bush a free pass to attack Iran. Reid, whose son works for Clinton in Nevada, changed the time of the vote when it was obvious that Obama already had prescheduled engagements. Clinton was sucked into it.

I'm seeing a pattern...Clinton Reruns at gullibility.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-09-07 11:31 PM
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29. Oh please!!!!!!!
Don't you people get tired of that B.S. about Reid and his son???????? Biden, Dodd, Clinton and most of the other senators where there. What, Reid has that many sons working for all these senators? Face it, Obama should have been there and blew it. He then had the nerve to criticize how others voted when he didn't even voice an opposition to the resolution until after the fact.

As far as the Moveon ad, another way to straddle the fence so as to be able to later on point fingers just as he did with his many "present" votes in the state legislature (he had one of the most "present" votes in the state senate). It's much easier to act righteous when one doesn't have the courage to take a stand and suffer the consequences of one's vote.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 01:26 AM
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31. Barack Obama is the best statesman since JFK...
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:57 AM
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37. ...and I can talk to the dead.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:40 AM
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38. He isn't even the best statesman since JFK: John F Kerry
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