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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 01:44 AM
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While DU debates meaningless polls, 100,000 women in Iowa are being contacted to caucus for Hillary
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071121/NEWS09/711210385/-1/NEWS04

Washington, D.C. - Democratic women in Iowa who haven't participated in caucuses in the recent past will be targeted by a national group seeking to boost Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

The campaign by Emily's List is called Iowa Women Vote and comes as part of an intensifying effort to reach out to particular groups of new voters who could be key to success for the winning candidate in Iowa.

The initiative includes both a new Web site at www.yougogirl.com and eight-page, how-to-caucus booklets to be sent to Iowa women who didn't caucus four years ago. About 100,000 Iowa women will get some kind of mailing.

"Caucusing can be fun! See for yourself!" announces the Web site, where women share stories about caucuses they have attended and a step-by-step guide explains what happens at a caucus.

At each precinct site, "Hillary's supporters will be there to greet you," the Web site assures Iowa women.

Emily's List is a political action committee that backs Democratic women who support abortion rights. Organizers said the Iowa project is an independent expenditure with no connection with the Clinton campaign.

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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:07 AM
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1. Desperation
I knocked on doors in Iowa and I plan to do it again. I also handed out literature about the caucus process- in person. Can Hillary not find enough volunteers to canvass Iowa????
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:13 AM
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2. Sure sounds that way..

And I suppose Aya Reiko won't be overjoyed with Munster calling her latest colorful poll meaningless.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:13 AM
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3. It's not desperation
it's smart politics.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:13 AM
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4. LOL!


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:14 AM
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5. gee, that was substantive
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:16 AM
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6. Why "tank you" Monkey!



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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:22 AM
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7. So I suppose
other candidates, and the groups that back them, have no plans to contact Iowa voters prior to the caucus?

Let me know how that works out.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:27 AM
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8. Hey Monkey... don't be so funky....

I haven't been able to post here in probably 6 weeks or more (traveling) and it's going to take some time to get used to this crazy place again!

I've only read maybe 10 threads so far, and I'll tell you one thing....

...seems like nothing here has changed much! Crazy as ever!

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 06:56 AM
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15. OH GEE IS that why you people say Obama is going after students to help him.
D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-0-N!!!!***********
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:23 AM
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16. maybe she should bus them in like... well, you know...
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:45 PM
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26. Desperate??? It's brilliant. Bye bye obama.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:30 AM
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9. "YouGoGirl?" That's one of the most appallingly smarmy, yet
likely effective sites I've seen.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:32 AM
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10. Ack.. you actually clicked on it?
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:46 AM
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11. I don't think it's a matter of great courage
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 02:48 AM by Basileus Basileon
to see what candidates are doing.

I find Hillary's YouGoGirl site to be incredibly grating. It also seems very well done, very polished, very inviting, very "affirming," and very non-threatening to political novices. It's brilliant, and that's why I hate it. It's slick, and I have an immediate repulsion to politicians who make it clear that they see me in the same way Target and Wal-Mart see consumers.

It's like most everything Hillary does. It grates on my nerves so badly I want to stuff a pillow down into its case, tie it up right, and thwack whoever came up with the idea. It frustrates me that politics has become so much about branding. And at the same time, I respect that her staffers are simply doing a job, and executing it with impressive precision. And I'm glad that our guys are finally adapting methods that I hate, because I'd rather have frustratingly slick Democrats in office than frustratingly slick Republicans.

HRC is a politician. And frankly, despite all the talk of the Internet being some sort of equalizer, I truly believe that with the information overload the Internet brings, branding will take on an even-greater presence. I don't like Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is the future of politics.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:48 AM
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12. And Joe Biden is the sexist past.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:24 AM
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14. In what way?
Is he particularly misogynistic, or is ANY opposition to Clinton's divisive line of attack deserving of a vehement dismissal on these grounds?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:51 PM
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36. probably is referencing the Clarence Thomas hearings
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:27 AM
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18. Supporters of Obama don't call opponents racist....
But Hillary supporters can call opponents sexist.

I have a lot of respect for people who can argue on the issues instead of using race or gender to characterise others.

I am not a supporter of Obama or Hillary, but when I see hints that you are mysogynistic if you don't support Hillary it is ridiculous.

I think part of it is that many political supporters are "true believers". They cannot conceive that a rational person could have an opinion of their candidate different than their own. And someone who actually supports the other side must be.....in this case sexist!

But a bigger part of it is just plain cynical mind games.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:32 PM
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27. I'm voting for Edwards, not Biden.
Biden proved he was a sexist during the Thomas/Hill hearings and that was a long time before Hillary.

Are you 12? Or simply ignorant of the political history of your country?

When Biden announced, I thought it was a joke. I still can't believe there's anyone who takes him seriously as a candidate.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:56 PM
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30. How did Biden prove he was sexist?
Because he doesn't believe lie detector tests should be admissible? I agree. Because he didn't think that Thomas' habitual viewing of pornography was relevant to the case? I would agree with that as well. He did a rather poor job of moderating, I believe, but how did he "prove" he was a sexist?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:55 PM
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37. you may want to review this exchange
Harvard Prof. Ogletree answers these questions well.

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.html
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:33 PM
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34. Thanks for trying to flame me
I am 54. And I am not ignorant of our counry's political history (taught it for 12 years). And believe it or not I remember the Anita Hill hearings.

If you are interested in a little more discussion on the Anita Hill hearings and Biden, read this intereview.... http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1602/Graves/Graves.html

I don't think it is as simple as you make it out to be. There were constitutional issues as well. Which, of course, may be invisible if all you can see is sexism
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 07:49 AM
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17. Here's Hillary's record. It's nothing like you say.
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:21 AM
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20. Quite the laundry list....
While some of it is quite impressive, and others smacking of padding one's resume....I dare say that all of the Democratic candidates would do well on these issues.

Trotting out a bunch of interest groups who support Hillary may be more effective for the primaries than in the general election, when the Reps will say she is beholden to interest groups.

Hillary's support for the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman are interesting omissions from your list! Not to mention that she has more contriubutions from the medical/insurance/pharma folks than any candidate, Republican or Democrat!

It takes more than a resume to lead.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:34 PM
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28. Really? So your candidate can't match it, I take it.
Because I'm hearing so much spin in your words that a dervish would be proud. What has your candidate led, btw?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 08:06 PM
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33. I don't have "a candidate"...sorry to disappoint you.
So I am not trying to spin anything to favor anyone.

I made the point that all of the Democratic candidates do well on that laundry list of issues. No spin there. Can you disprove that claim?

I said that Hillary supported the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman. Is that spinning? I think the vote, without spinning, on both bills was "aye".

It is pretty obvious that anyone could come up with a similarly long list of things each and every candidate has supported, etc. All of them have extensive resumes.

But this election is not just about resumes. It is about a lot more than that. It is about leading into a new direction for our country.

I personally would work hard for Hillary if she were the nominee. However, I am tired of working hard for the losing side. More than that, it pains me no end to contemplate an 8-1 Repuke Supreme Court. Which would probably be the outcome if the Reps win in 08, and I think Hillary is the one candidate most likely to lose. Which means an 8-1 Supreme Court.

Regardless of her great resume.

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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:51 PM
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29. I don't recall ever impugning her record. I was referring to her style of campaigning. nt
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:03 PM
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31. Yes, we'd be much better of with a candidate that doesn't know how to campaign effectively
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 03:04 PM
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32. As I said,
"And at the same time, I respect that her staffers are simply doing a job, and executing it with impressive precision. And I'm glad that our guys are finally adapting methods that I hate, because I'd rather have frustratingly slick Democrats in office than frustratingly slick Republicans."
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 02:52 AM
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13. ...and is what is called ORGANIZATION! gonna beat Hillary? get organized
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 09:01 AM
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19. It's an effective web site...
Actually I think it's good to get people interested in the caucus process. This site tries to make it seem "fun"... perhaps a little too processed for my taste, but the more the merrier.

The other candidates have a firm grasp on the caucus process as well and speaking from what I've seen in Iowa from the Obama campaign, many boots are on the ground already.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:40 AM
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21. not desperation - more like waking up women to take action


since it is no longer taught in public schools - Hill backers are teaching women how its done.

good for them
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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:41 AM
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22. Thanks for the link!
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:57 AM
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23. LOL! Obama leads Hillary among women in Iowa, with an even bigger lead among married women
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:07 PM
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24. Smart strategy when you're losing/in a dead heat in Iowa.
Hillary does well among women. It only makes sense to target women.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 12:12 PM
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25. ORGANIZATION! gonna beat Hillary? get organized, enter Oprah Winfrey's schtumping process
Hillary is running a very good campaign and thus far Obama is cutting her no slack.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:34 PM
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35. You go, girl!!
Hillary knows how to win.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 01:50 PM
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38. No connection, eh?
At each precinct site, "Hillary's supporters will be there to greet you," the Web site assures Iowa women.

Emily's List is a political action committee that backs Democratic women who support abortion rights. Organizers said the Iowa project is an independent expenditure with no connection with the Clinton campaign.




A truly independent site wouldn't be telling people that a particular candidate's supporters "will be there to greet you". That's your indication right there that this isn't as "independent" as it's purported to be. It might just as well end with a gigantic "Vote for Hillary" banner.

I have no problem with her campaigning by mail in Iowa, just that it's dishonest to claim the group is independent when it's obviously not.
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