Hillary Campaign introduces the fact hub

[Herman Munster]

Hillary's campaign is proactive in clearing up the media bullshit spin.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

[Tejanocrat]

1. Will the fact hub be correcting the outrageous false spin on hillaryis44.com?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. That would be welcome. I hate that site.

[William769]

5. Why should they?

[jefferson_dem]

9. To demonstrate that they are legit...unlike the henchmen who run the other cesspool...

perhaps.

[William769]

10. Why not let the candidates that think the information is wrong do it?

I still fail to see why Hillary's campaign should. Are they to do it to all websites and is it only Hillary's campaign that is responsible for this? Sometime people really should think before they post.

[Tejanocrat]

11. You're right. Hillary should whine about attacks on her while her supporters attack other candidates

You win the Hillary Award for the day for getting on both sides of this issue!

[William769]

13. Why thank you!

I haven't won anything in awhile!

[rinsd]

14. They're fact checking hits on Hillary.

The other campaigns are free to do as they wish in terms of rapid response.

Are you implying the campaign is connected to Hillaryis44?

I haven't seen Obama or Edwards websites correct any of the BS on the Hillary Project and other websites like it.

Does that make them connected to them?

:shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

25. Are you implying the campaign is connected to Hillaryis44?

Yes.

[rinsd]

26. Why?

[jefferson_dem]

33. That must be the default position.

Her campaign strikes me as the sort of machine-like operation that gears up to cover all angles, including the spreading nasty smears and propaganda a la hillaryis44 angle. Given the veiled nature of the website's ownership, my money is on a "plausibly deniable relationship" between Hillary's camp and the site. Unless someone can prove otherwise...

[William769]

35. Or someone can prove the connection.

[SaveElmer]

18. So we should then expect to see Obama and Edwards...

Correcting the lies their supporters tell about Hillary?

[gateley]

2. What a great idea! nt

[sandnsea]

4. Like Pete's Kerry Debunker

I didn't click, is this his too?

[OKNancy]

6. That's a good site

much needed... by ANY candidate.

[geek tragedy]

7. Clinton's LONG history of supporting ethanol?

More like a 'spin hub?'

[William769]

12. Feel free to prove otherwise.

Or is this just another hit & run?

[geek tragedy]

16. Here's an example of a Clinton flip-flop on ethanol:

Clinton, running for President in 2007: ""Oil companies won't even put ethanol pumps at their gas stations. They need to be required to do that." She went on to promise to introduce legislation requiring ethanol pumps at filling stations.

Clinton in 2002:

Signed a letter that called ethanol mandates a 'new gas tax' and said that "there is no sound public policy reason for mandating the use of ethanol."

Clinton also voted twice against ethanol mandates in 2002.

Clinton in 2003:

Signed another letter, this one stating that ethanol mandates would "drive up the price of gasoline for consumers, will have mixed environmental results, and will do little to lessen our dependence on foreign oil" and going on to add that "smarter, cleaner, and less expensive ways to reformulate gasoline" than ethanol already existed.

Voted four times to allow states to waive out of ethanol mandates and voted once against industry-wide ethanol mandates.

[rinsd]

19. Are you qouting an Obama email?

Or do you have links to this stuff?

[William769]

20. We have the links to the facts. This should be interesting.

[rinsd]

21. gt is usually good about links.

But I think he may be quoting an email Obama sent to supporters.

[cuke]

27. And it is a long history. It's printed right on the web page

Not only that, but at the end of that long record (below) she explains the votes gt referred to:

Hillary voted for energy bill that requires ethanol production to grow to at least 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, a sevenfold increase of the amount of ethanol processed last year.

Hillary has supported extending tax incentives for blending ethanol in gasoline. In 2004, Sen. Clinton voted to extend the 51 cent per gallon ethanol blending credit through 2010, and has proposed a further extension to 2012.

Hillary is the sponsor of a 50% tax credit for the installation of ethanol pumps. "I Support comprehensive legislation that would...up the availability of ethanol by providing gas station owners with a 50 percent tax credit for the cost of installing ethanol pumps"

Hillary is the sponsor of legislation to make ethanol more available nationwide by providing loan guarantees for commercial production. "I support comprehensive legislation...that would speed the development of cellulosic ethanol by providing loan guarantees for the first billion gallons of commercial production capacity."

Hillary co-sponsored legislation to dramatically expand renewable energy, including ethanol, by 2025. Senator Clinton cosponsored a concurrent resolution which expresses the sense of Congress that it is the goal of the U.S. that, not later than 1/1/2025, the agricultural, forestry, and working land of the U.S. should provide from renewable resources not less than 25% of total energy consumed in the U.S. and continue to produce safe, abundant, and affordable food, feed and fiber. Grassley sponsored and Harkin was a co-sponsor.

Hillary supported increasing biofuel production on 'a much faster track' to revitalize rural and reduce dependence on foreign oil. "We have an underused resource, American farmland, and rural communities across our country eager to try something new and do their part to help solve our energy problems. Today we have 97 biorefineries located in 19 different states with the capacity to make nearly 4.5 billion gallons of ethanol. Now, over the next 12 to 18 months, we will increase that capacity by 50 percent. And we're seeing it in New York as we're seeing it around the country... We need to be moving on a much faster track."

Hillary co-sponsored of a tax credit for production of flex-fuel vehicles. Clinton co-sponsored a bill that would provide a $150 per vehicle manufacturer tax credit to encourage the production of "flex-fuel" vehicles that are capable of running on 85% ethanol fuel, known as "E85."

Hillary co-sponsored an amendment to create a program to produce ethanol from municipal solid waste. Senator Clinton cosponsored an amendment that directs the Secretary of Energy to establish a program to provide guarantees of loans by private institutions for the construction of facilities for the processing and conversion of municipal solid waste into fuel ethanol and other commercial byproducts.

Previously, there was evidence that mandating ethanol production might negatively impact the economy in New York and some of Hillary's earlier votes on ethanol reflect that. But that is not an excuse for Obama to distort her record and her strong support for ethanol and other biofuels.

[geek tragedy]

30. Gee, all but one or two of those were from 2006-2007.

That's some long history.

[William769]

32. self delete wrong place

[cuke]

37. What is not "long" about it?

She doesn't claim she's supported it for many years. The website even mentions her initial opposition and explains it

[geek tragedy]

39. So, it's possible to have a long history in a very short

time period?

Man, the Clintons never fail to entertain.

[cuke]

40. yes

which is why you can't say what isn't long about it

[geek tragedy]

31. Links:

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=906

http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/bg1603.cfm

http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003409B07.html

"Unfortunately, the bill also contains the ethanol mandate and related provisions that Senators Clinton, Schumer, and several of their colleagues vehemently opposed in Congress last year during debate on the Senate Energy Bill. To address the ethanol mandate, Senator Clinton was successful in getting several provisions added to the bill in Committee, including a requirement that the Federal Trade Commission perform an annual analysis of market concentration within the ethanol industry. The Clinton amendment on market concentration was similar to an amendment offered by Congressman Engel in the House Commerce Committee last week. Unfortunately, the Engel amendment failed in Committee."

[cuke]

38. The website explains those votes

Ignoring the facts doesn't reflect well. The fact is HRC has supported ethanol many times when it came to a vote. She hasn't always supported it, but she does not hide that fact. It even says so on the website that we're talking about

[jefferson_dem]

8. Do we really need another shameless Hillary-spin site?

Wasn't Hillarywishesshewas44.org enough?

[rinsd]

15. Its a campaign website for rapid response.

Its a good idea to have the response posted and on record.

You think Obama shouldn't do something similar to counter MSM crappola like the flag pin & the national anthem BS as well as less than truthful attacks from his rivals?

[jefferson_dem]

34. A caveat...

If :scared: she wins the nomination...I'll have the site bookmarked.

[cuke]

28. Tsk. Tsk

Jealousy isn't pretty

[wyldwolf]

17. LOL! Edwards would not have combat missions in Iraq, he'd have combat "expiditions."

:rofl:

[rinsd]

22. That's why he pared down his 5 questions for Hillary to 3.

That one proved most embarrassing.

:hi:

[quinnox]

23. bookmarked, this site is going to be busy

Hillary is being attacked by lies and distortions and false twisting of words from both republicans and other democratic candidates (Edwards mostly).

Boy correcting all the lies will keep the fact hub going 24/7.

[PATRICK]

24. Pretty good

and I hope it gets better response than media matters. If NPR retracted quickly- without yet another falsehood as seems to be customary for snipes- that shows it is working very well.

There is going to be lot of work for this site, that is for sure. No one should be gald that overreaching or untruths help sink a rival. All Dems need to show good political response and this is good for the party as a whole.

[Lucinda]

29. This is why I said, well before I switch to support Hillary,

that she would do better in the general than all of the others when it comes to BS attacks.
Great idea.

[Dawgs]

36. Sounds like the one Bush created to spin himself out of trouble.