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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:17 PM
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If Hillary Clinton is nominated, she should pick Wes Clark.
Democrats, while in better shape than back in 2004, were seen in the last election as weak on national security issues. Weak on terrorism. Weak on foreign policy. Weak on defense. In my opinion, Wesley Clark is a credible voice on all of those issues, and would provide incredible qualities to a possible Hillary Clinton GE campaign. His experience in foreign policy and on the battlefield during this dangerous time of war mixed with Hillary Clinton's star power and experience would equal a nearly unbeatable ticket. I think Clark would be Hillary's best choice for VP.

Keep in mind, I'm for Edwards. And I believe Edwards will be nominated. If he's nominated, I'm pulling for Edwards/Obama. But I think if Clinton does pull it off, and wins the nomination...Clark, because of their clear friendship, would be her best bet.

Thoughts from the Clinton supporters?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:24 PM
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1. i actually believe there is a very good chance she would pick him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:26 PM
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2. For what? VEEP?
I like him better in State, or maybe the UN, if she won. If you want him to 'grow' anyway. If you want him to do a job he could do easily, then DEFENSE.

He needs a little more "in government" experience before he takes on the Lady in Waiting job. IMO. I don't mean that unkindly. It's just that being in the military is not quite the same. Sure, you have to take shit from the Executive Branch and Congress (and if you're high up enough, it's PERSONAL, not rolling downhill) but when you go to your job, pretty much no one is arguing with you. Everyone around you is busting their ass to make YOUR life easier, your reputation burnished, and following your directives. As SECSTATE, you can't just say JUMP and the folks you're negotiating with squeak "How high?"

I know, Ike didn't have any background...but the world was a much simpler place back then.

FWIW, I am not a Clinton supporter, but I am not an 'enemy' either. I just still haven't settled on a candidate yet, and I'm not hurrying the process.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:32 PM
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3. I meant VP, but if not....a cabinet position would be good as well.
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JPettus Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:17 AM
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12. Actually I like Clark
and while the interviews I've seen him do in the past month indicate he's not really interested in that at this time, I could support him as VEEP or as STATE or even Defense. He's intelligent, he seems to be thoughtful about what he says and why he says it and above all, he seems willing to say the unpopular thing if he thinks it's important to get it out there.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:29 AM
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21. No one should be 'thinking VP" at this point
it's WAAAAAAY premature but I agree that regardless of the task, WKC would shine.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:32 PM
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4. I hope any Dem administration utilizes General Clark.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:34 PM
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5. I do too, for what it's worth. A Clinton/Clark ticket, however, would be very strong.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:44 PM
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6. Not for VP , another cabinet post.
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Springg Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:48 PM
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7. Wes Clark Would be Smart Choice!
I believe Wes Clark for VP would help whoever will be the candidate for Dem's. If Kerry would have chosen Clark...the Swift Boaters could not have been so successful. Several of my relatives in Ohio...said that they would have voted for Kerry if Clark had been on the ticket. I am not a fan of Hillary...but would feel a lot better knowing that Clark was advising her...or whoever. I am hoping it will be Obama/Clark
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 09:53 PM
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8. This is a given if she wins. n/t
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:12 PM
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9. Wes Clark would be a disaster on the campaign trail, Hillary needs to pick
Gov K Sebelius. Someone who knowns how do get things done. A symbol of the mid west, a blue jeans woman who can bail hay as well as run the State, not a condo office dweller lifestyle.

Many will say 2 women is more than the 1 woman on the ballot haters can take, like they will vote one for 1 but not 2. But I think people will like the contrast and each will reinforce the other.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:13 PM
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10. A double female ticket is a very long shot. I doubt that will happen.
Years from now, it won't even be a consideration. But we just aren't there yet.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:15 AM
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11. Think of the media buzz. These two would would suck the O2 out of the GOP and show that totally
different women can get the job done.

Also the next 8+ yrs will be about crop migration as the south becomes more arid and water rights disputes between the states. This will require someone who understands those issues first hand, the Gov does.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:08 PM
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22. Nope. I know you like the idea, but NOPE. No, no, and NO. And I am sure that is what
her advisers would tell Sen. Clinton in the unlikely even that she lost her mind and thought about a female Veep.

That Governor would be great at Interior, if she understands those issues. Or even EPA. But not Veep. Sorry.

Jumping way ahead of actual events, and assuming for discussion that Clinton gets the nom, she needs to go for balance in her ticket. And that includes gender. She needs to pick someone who brings to the table any qualities she feels she lacks, or any expertise she feels she's weak on, to say nothing of that 'geographic' aspect.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:47 AM
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13. Untrue about Clark
I am not a VP promoter. I'd rather see him in a real job where he can accomplish something for the nation in the next Dem administration. But Wesley Clark is a terrific campaigner and he will be for the 2008 nominee, whoever that ends up to be, running mate or not. He ran his heart out for Kerry-Edwards. He campaigned in 86 districts in 2006 and candidates everywhere, including the reddest districts, were begging for more. Even in his own primary campaign, he may have had things to learn, but to say he was a disaster on the campaign trail would be a gross exaggeration. New to politics, he was as or more successful in the 2004 primaries than 90% of his opponents, who were experienced in electoral politics.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:51 AM
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14. Yes
I think she should, and I think she will.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:20 AM
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15. Clark would be a better choice as Secretary of Defense
He'd languish in the office of VP, even if he had Cheney-like powers. It's just not his ideal sphere of influence.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:22 AM
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16. That'd be a terrible choice
for both of them, as he's not eligible to be Sec. Def. for a few more years.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:26 PM
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25. He retired in May 2000. He'd need a Congressional waiver for a bit more than a year and a half,
depending on how quick the confirmation process goes.

That shouldn't be too difficult to get, frankly. Hell, George Marshall got one from Congress easily five years after WW2 ended to fill in when Harry fired the incumbent in the job--the justification could easily be that they need an experienced guy in both the diplomatic AND uniformed sphere to clean up the mess the Monkey made in Iraq.

I doubt a Democratic Senate would have too much trouble advising and consenting on that score.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:28 AM
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19. VP as omsbudsman
If Clark were VP, I can see HC asking him to fix the DoD and create a strategy to resolve the problems in the ME at the same time.

I don't agree that the VP position is or should be toothless. I DO see it as a way to actually accomplish some good. The scope of SoD and SoS is too limiting.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:11 PM
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23. He doen't meet the 10yr rule to be SofD. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:26 AM
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17. I think that Clark, 1st in his class at West Point (out of 580+) and Rhodes Scholar,
that Wes Clark would do anything put in front of him well.....in any administration. He is, what some will remember from previous administration (prior to Bush's).....MORE THAN COMPETENT at all that he does; including political campaigning. He actually did well when he ran for Prez in 2004, regardless that some fail to remember it that way....for whatever their reasons.
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/primary_campaign_2004/
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:26 AM
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18. Ummm, no.
Clark should not be VP. He should be Secretary of State. He's a perfect fit for that job. One of my concerns about Hillary is that she's going to spend the entire time trying to prove that she's tough. Selecting Clark would be so transparent. Also, Clark isn't that great of a campaigner.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:28 AM
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20. He'd be an amazing Sec. of State
I saw him speak at Yearly Kos and he totally gets diplomacy :D
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:15 PM
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24. yes, i'm sure his credentiaLs won't be smeared
just as kerry was untouchabLe in that regard.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:30 PM
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26. Clark's credential on National Security don't eminate from a 35 year old war......
So, no...I don't think that you can contrast John Kerry's record on Foreign policy/national security to Wes Clark's, a 4 star General who won the last war that we fought without any American Soldiers dying.....but thanks for making that suggestion.
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