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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 03:57 PM
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WAPO Poll -62% Think Clinton Electable 15% Think Obama Electable 14% Think John Edwards Electable
Electability. Clinton is seen as the most likely Democratic candidate to win in Nov. 2008 against any GOPer. This internal is not close at all. 62% of all Democrats and Democratic-leaning Independents in this poll believe that Clinton has the best chance of getting selected president in Nov. 2008. Obama is seen as that most electable Democratic candidate by only 15%, well below his overall polling performance. Edwards is seen as the most electable by 14%, pretty much in line with his overall polling performance.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1050a1ElectionYear-Out.pdf
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 03:59 PM
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1. It also said 74 percent think America is heading in the wrong direction
Maybe they expect Clinton to win?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:01 PM
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2. I Believe They Are Referring To The Current Administration
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 04:06 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
But if it makes you feel better I won't do anything to disabuse you of that notion...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:55 PM
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25. They did as much as anyone in enabling the current administration to power.
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 06:11 PM by Uncle Joe
They slandered and trashed Al Gore, while they simultaneously puffed Bush up and camouflaged his obvious shortcomings. The difference between them and FAUX News is illusory at best. I believe they're only turning on the current administration because they've lost the American People and Cheney/Bush aren't running for reelection.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:07 PM
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3. Good news!
Kind of flies in the face of the assumptions of
many of the hothouse heroes around here.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:50 PM
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33. True, the more Joe Voter learns about her *for himself* the better she seems to him.
Over a decade of RW hate speech from the MSM noise machine has been so effective it's even been echoed by Democrats, of all people. I think it should open some eyes that the more she's heard *without the filter* the more voters will support her.

Clinton/Richardson '08!
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:01 PM
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35. Amen.
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 08:03 PM by Mark E. Smith
Hillary is by far the most capable and electable candidate we have. Those
who join the Rush Limbaughs of this world in bashing her do all of us a
terrible disservice.

Pleasure to make your acquaintance!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:12 PM
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4. I'm not surprised at Clinton's
I am surprised the others are so very low. It's puzzling. What do you think accounts for this, DemSinceBirth?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:17 PM
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5. What Some, Ma'am, Are In The Habit Of Sneering At As 'Just Name Recognition'
Is from another angle just an established presence over years on the national political scene. This is the principal advantage Sen. Clinton enjoys in this contest: she is a known quantity, and familiar.

"What we call idealism in ourselves, we call fanaticism in others."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:18 PM
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7. We Said The Same Thing
DSB
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:17 PM
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6. I Suspect It Reflects The Support Each Candidate Has But Not Perfectly
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 04:19 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Nobody thinks they are supporting a loser ...That being said there are folks who "vote their heart" and I can respect that...

IMHO,the fact that HRC is still doing well in the polls after her week from Hell demonstrates the depth of her support... She is a known commodity...That's why I find her small lead over Ghouliani encouraging...Folks know the bad and good about HRC but only know the good about Ghouliani...
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:24 PM
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10. Well, I have a fever today and did not read closely enough
Rather than is this person electable or not in your view, the question was who among these people do you view as most electable. Sorry for the confusion.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:22 PM
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8. WShy did you post this now the Obama supporters are going to
bat shit crazy and start really posting Hillary hate messages.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:24 PM
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9. That's All They Got
It's tragic...

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:44 PM
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23. LOL!
True dat!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 04:55 PM
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11. Yeah, they polled her campaign HQ.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:08 PM
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13. You Should Read Elisabeth Kubler Ross' Five Stages Of Grief
You're at the denial stage...You still have to go through anger, bargaining, and depression before you get to acceptance...Most of your compatriots have made it through the denial stage and are now in the acceptance stage...

Maybe Gallup polled her campaign as well:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/102481/Public-Gives-Clinton-Best-Odds-Being-Elected-President.aspx#3
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:32 PM
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17. I'm at the Iowa stage. CU.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:38 PM
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20. That Was A Good Answer
PEACE
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:05 PM
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12. Most thinking people understand she is the most electable
Thanks DSB...I do enjoy confirmation
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:18 PM
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14. Edwards has a lot of work to do, but I think he's up to it.
He only started running commercials a couple of days ago, plus if he wins Iowa, that will change everything.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:20 PM
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15. "who is electable" is a meaningless question.
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 05:22 PM by lumberjack_jeff
In contrast, if you ask; "would you vote for Edwards or Giuliani?" (for instance) you might get a decent answer. Without fail, Edwards comes out on top on these questions. In contrast, there are so many people who won't vote for Clinton no matter what that she faces a significant handicap.

"Who is electable" asks the respondent to regurgitate the conventional wisdom they've gotten from the TV.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:35 PM
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18. Au Contraire-Edwards Loses To The Ghoul When You Look At All The Polls....Hillary doesn't....
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 05:37 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:29 PM
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16. Dumb ass poll when you consider Clinton has a 47% unfavorable rating
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:37 PM
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19. Do You Like This Poll Better, Big D?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:38 PM
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21. 62% of Democrats believe...blah blah blah
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 05:39 PM by fujiyama
Democrats and electability....I don't even want to go down that route again.

Hmmm, polls have shown that Edwards consistently beats Romney by higher margins than any other candidate.

But whatever. The Hillary supporters can delude themselves into thinking people are just going to magically change their minds about her....that inspite some half the people ruling out voting for her, the virulent hatred the right (and the not so right) have for her, her rift with many liberal voters (of her own making), her inability to clearly take a stance on anything...she'll still win.



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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:43 PM
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22. But Edwards Loses To The Ghoul...Hillary Doesnt
And Hillary beats all her opponents by comfortable margins...


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:14 PM
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38. Firstly, they're both within the MOEs of Guiliani
Secondly, it's becoming increasinly apparent that rudy will not be the nominee.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:47 PM
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24. As For Being Hated
Nixon was loathed by the left and the far right wing of his own party...That didn't prevent him from winning the biggest popular vote and Electoral College victory in the history of the republic...

It'a all about how much you want it...
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:06 PM
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26. I'll give Hillary that much credit
She's smart as hell and a skilled campaigner. She makes few mistakes. And she certainly wants it bad.

But she strikes many as incredibly inauthentic, scripted, and evasive on every issue - something which could bring her down.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:35 PM
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27. Too bad that's not what polls of the ENTIRE ELECTORATE show. . . . . . .


The opinions of Democratic voters that Hillary Clinton is most electable are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE what polls of the entire electorate, pitting one-on-one contests between our candidates and the various Republican candidates.

Such polls have consistently shown that John Edwards does better than Hillary Clinton against Giuliani, Romney, McCain, or Thompson.

The "electability" that counts is how a candidate performs in the general election. And that depends upon how swing voters vote, not upon who the Democratic base believes to be most electable.

This poll may (or may not) have asked the right question, but they asked it to the WRONG segment of the voting population.



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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:28 PM
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29. No They Don't
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 07:28 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
"The opinions of Democratic voters that Hillary Clinton is most electable are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE what polls of the entire electorate, pitting one-on-one contests between our candidates and the various Republican candidate"


No-they don't...In fact a poll of polls shows Edwards losing to Giuliani:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:45 PM
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28. The results of this poll are...odd. But it seems the OPer lives and breathes polls.
Which is a big mistake.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:34 PM
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30. Would You Rather I Start Threads Bashing Other Dems That Are Ubiquitous On This Board?
DSB
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:43 PM
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40. I would rather you do neither. But no, I certainly don't want you bashing Dems.
Cause I sure hope that you're in the camp that will support the Democratic nominee whoever it may be.

I know I am ;)
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:38 PM
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31. How does she do against Republicans?
:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:59 PM
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34. Here
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:12 PM
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36. Interesting ... her mega points shrink against the GOP
Obama and Edwards do pretty well too.

If you don't mind....I'd rather we focus on these numbers :hi:
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 07:39 PM
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32. 62% of Dems don't look at polls, apparently. n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:13 PM
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37. Its HRC's to lose.....she got momoterium(Pub spk) and she got Backin, better yet, she got plans
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:40 PM
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39. Wow! A "poll" from the liars who bring you rightwing crap like "The Patrh to 9/11"
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:47 PM
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41. That settles it----Let's nominate Hillary
Barack H obama & Johnn Edwards step aside please. Save our ammo
for the General Election.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 08:49 PM
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42. Fav/unfavs. HC 50/46. BO 51/36. JE 49/35. MOE 3-4%
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:40 PM
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43. You can't win with "unfavorables" they will vote for your opponents
so it does not matter how high they are, it is the favorables
which counts.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:28 AM
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47. The junta wants to steal another "close" election using tactics familiar from 00 and 04.
Fav/unfavs gives some data about who may have made up their minds and which way. Within MOE, the data suggest a country evenly split on HC; for BO and JE, the data suggest that only the hardcore R 1/3 of the electorate is currently opposed.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:49 PM
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44. Just like Kerry!
Now that I think about it, there are a lot of similarities between Sen. Clinton's campaign and Kerry's....
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:52 PM
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45. Oh, and your headline is misleading, as well.
Those polled had to choose who was the most electable between the three of them. They weren't asked whether they thought each individual candidate was electable, which is what your post implied.

Very, very different....
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:13 AM
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46. Further proof that the anti-Hillarites live in Bizarro World.
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