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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:23 PM
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Where Were You, Mr. Schumer?
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 07:32 PM by NanceGreggs
Where Were You, Mr. Schumer?

As an American citizen, as well as a New York voter, I read your statements today (re Mukasey) with great interest.

While I do not doubt the thoughtfulness and sincerity behind your reasoning as to why Mukasey should be confirmed, my problem with your decision lies not with what you, and your fellow elected Democrats, feel compelled to do today; it lies with how we got to where we are – a place where choosing the lesser of evils is consistently the only choice available.

“I deeply esteem those who believe the issue of torture is so paramount that Judge Mukasey’s views on it should be the sole determinant of our vote. But I must respectfully disagree.”

I must ask, sir, with all due respect: If the issue of torture should not be a determinant, what issue should be?

Over the last six-plus years, Democrats have seen issue after issue raised with respect to this administration and its policies; its flaunting of our nation’s laws, our Constitution, our rights and our freedoms. And time after time, we have watched in horror as our elected representatives have cowered in the corners declaring, through their inaction, that this was not the issue to finally take a stand on.

How did we get here, Mr. Schumer? How did we, as a nation, get to a place where a president commits crime after crime against our country and no one in a position to do so speaks out against him? How did we get to a place where blatant wrongdoing at the highest level of our government is simply dismissed as politics as usual? How did we get to a place where those elected to represent us trot out excuse after excuse as to why THIS is not the moment, THIS is not the issue, THIS is not the battle that needs to be fought?

Where were you, Mr. Schumer, when it was proven beyond all doubt that this administration fabricated “intelligence” that led us into the quagmire of Iraq? Did you stand up and yell “liars!”?

Where were you, Mr. Schumer, when billions of taxpayers’ dollars went missing in the alleged fog of war, or when our money was handed, no-questions-asked, to war-profiteers with White House ties? Did you stand up and yell “thieves!”?

Where were you, Mr. Schumer, when our troops were sent into combat under-equipped and over-extended, or when our wounded soldiers returned to face dismissal of their claims for pensions, for medical assistance, for rehabilitation? Did you stand up and yell “traitors!” at those who waved their Support the Troops banners while breaking our military, and the individuals who had sacrificed everything only to be ignored after they had done their service?

Where were you, Mr. Schumer, when the issue of torture was first raised by this administration? Were you on your feet, decrying the inhumanity of such action? Were you on the steps of the Capitol, calling for all righteous citizens to join you in denouncing the immoral, the reprehensible, the barbaric?

If you, or any of your Democratic colleagues, had done any of the above, sir, we might not be where we are today – listening to yet another litany of excuses as to why the devil cannot be ousted, but merely assuaged.

As Diane Feinstein said today: "I believe that Judge Mukasey is the best we will get …” And that, sir, is the problem. Thanks to the cowardice and silence of the Democrats, we cannot hope to have a man in place who is a law-abiding citizen beyond reproach, one whose actions will be based on the good of the nation as opposed to what is good for political advancement, one who will uphold the Constitution as well as the moral rectitude we, as citizens, once expected – not hoped for, but expected – of those in positions of power and influence.

What we are now left with is the best we can get in circumstances where the best is just another euphemism for the least of the evils we are forced to choose from.

What your present position comes down to, Mr. Schumer – a position unfortunately shared by too many elected Democrats – is a plea to be excused for your poor decisions in light of the circumstances in which you find yourselves. Perhaps that plea would not fall on such deliberately deaf ears, sir, if the circumstances in which you find yourselves were not so obviously of your own creation.

I am not naïve, sir, as to the compromises that politics demands, nor the careful tempering of one’s position on some matters when more important issues are considered to be the better battlefield in which to take up arms and fight.

However, if torture is, as you say, not to be held out as a defining issue at this moment in our nation’s history, what is the defining issue?

Throughout my piece, Mr. Schumer, I have repeatedly asked where were you? But the truth be told, I know where you were. You were sitting in a Berlin café saying, “So what if Jews aren’t allowed to come here anymore? Is that something to upset ourselves over? Where can something so trivial possibly lead?”

It led to six million dead, sir. Because people who should have known better, people in positions of power, people who could have influenced the course of their nation’s history, sat back and said, “This issue should not be so paramount …”

THIS is the issue, Mr. Schumer. There is no other issue, there is no other war to be readied for if this one is not fought and won. There is no compromise that can be excused, no alternative that can be deemed morally acceptable.

THIS was the ultimate battle, sir – and your cowardly retreat from the field of honor has been duly noted.

Yours Most Truly,
Nancy Greggs
U.S. Citizen
Registered to Vote in the State of New York

Former Charles Schumer supporter willing to acknowledge, and rectify, such a foolish mistake


(Edited to Add: Yes, you're damned real I sent this to Schumer!!!)
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:25 PM
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1. Screw Shumer.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:28 PM
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2. I know you'll be sending that, and I applaud you!
You truly do speak for me, Nance, and made me feel the best I've felt since I heard this horrendous decision by these letdowns. :yourock: :loveya:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:08 PM
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11. Auto-response now received ...
Thank you for your e-mail. Each and every piece of correspondence I receive is important because it allows me to better understand the New Yorkers I serve in the United States Senate.

Please feel free to visit my website http://schumer.senate.gov to follow my work in the Senate and to learn more about the services my office can provide to you.


Thanks ever so, Chuckie! No need to go to your website to follow your work in the Senate - I GET THE PICTURE!!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:15 PM
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14. He's probably slinked off by now. There was a reason he issued
this today, and a reason he hadn't shown his face in a few days. I think he knows his decision will NOT be well-received. :mad:
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:11 PM
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72. Perhaps he is spending the weekend with his friends....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:17 PM
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29. Deleted sub-thread
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:00 AM
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58. Schumer is my Rep too.
Your letter, as usual, was great and right on target. I received the identical auto-reply last night after I e-mailed Schumer. I, however, could not exhibit your politeness and self-restraint, nor hold back my anger & frustration and basically said in my email, "Shame on you", "Bush is a torturer" and "I will NEVER vote for you (Schumer) again." I really think our system is finished now. Finally destroyed during the second President Bush's reign.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:24 PM
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69. I got that too, but if he gets thousands, if will be tough to ignore-EVERYBODY WRITE HIM
EVERYBODY write Schumer & Feinstein & tell them what you think....

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:28 PM
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3. You nailed it, Nance...
But no one is listening on the other end. My despair grows daily.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:34 PM
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4. His phone is apparently off the hook....
I am horrified that we, too, are now a party that condones torture. I will keep calling, and if I don't get through tonight, I will get through tomorrow. I have left a message at his local office and I will follow it up with letters to both offices.

I am saddened beyond words.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:11 PM
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12. Phone off the hook?
If I were Schumer, I would have dyed my hair, changed my name, and moved to another country by now - one without an extradition treaty.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:36 PM
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33. Feinstein's phone, locally, was hooked up to the message machine
kinda early this afternoon - like a full hour before close of business. I kept calling and finally got some poor young schmuck in her office. I told him that this was IT. I will NEVER vote for feinstein AGAIN. I also said "why doesn't she just do the honest thing and switch parties and become a republi-CON, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW SHE VOTES!!!!! I will NEVER vote for her again. If I'd wanted a republi-CON "representing" me, I'd have voted for an official, publicly-traded one instead of a spineless stealth bomber like her. What a disgrace. Caved AGAIN!

:mad:
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:18 PM
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37. Feinstein I expected. I didn't think Schumer would do this.
Thanks for doing your part, Nance. I'm sure he'll change his mind once he reads your letter --- NOT!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:40 PM
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5. K&R....he has revealed he supports TORTURE...what will he say to those parents/spouses of our troops
if they got captured/tortured...to death???

Get that dude outta there and go with a Republican....at least they don't fuck with our minds....They admit they like torture...

Come, we go drink......
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:46 PM
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6. K&R
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:54 PM
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7. Thank you Nance.........
We need many, many more of you. Damn. I just got home this minute to find this little tidbit of information. It wasn't what I was hoping for.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:56 PM
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8. With Gratitude for your post
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 07:58 PM by Mike03
I was desperate to get a better comprehension on what drove Schumer to do this, and what the issues are that are at stake.

Thanks for the post.

It's just really, really disappointing it has come to this.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong to be defending the Democrats at this point. One mistake after another. At some point, it begins to look suspicious and, dare I say, hopeless.

I'm like Fox Mulder: I want to believe. But it's getting damned, damned hard.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 07:59 PM
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9. Good work Nance.
Give em hell.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:03 PM
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10. K&R
I am really surprised and disappointed in Schumer!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:13 PM
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13. Me TOO!!!
Every time I think about the fact that I voted for this bozo, I want to :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

But not to worry - it won't happen again.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:22 PM
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15. ``This is an extremely difficult decision,'' says Schumer adding
that Mukasey ``is not my ideal choice.'' I must say supporting the Dems is getting tougher with each passing week/month but I do believe that this is the intention of the game to begin with. Of all people, Schumer!?!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:33 PM
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21. I seem to recall he recommended Mukasey, did he not?
Or he at least hinted at it. There's a mutual benefit in there somewhere. They really don't care what we think.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:41 PM
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24. He DID Indeed... And It Was Being Said He Was Conflicted About It!
I say BS!! He put him out there and I'd bet dollars to donuts he was ALWAYS going to support him!!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:44 PM
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25. It smells like a deal to me.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:22 PM
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16. Kicked and recommended - I'm at my wits end with the cowardly cave-ins
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:22 PM
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17. I called Feinstein
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 08:23 PM by Nictuku
... it was difficult to get through, but I eventually did. The call-taker took my info and zip code and thanked me. I said I would never vote for her again.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:46 PM
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18. Damn. Nance sure do pretty words on a shitty subject.
translation. YOU KICKED ASS WITH THIS LETTER. And thanks for sending it.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:12 PM
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19. K&R. (nt)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:12 PM
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20. Pssst--Nance--
(I think you mean flout, not flaunt)

Great post, as always.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:22 PM
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31. Yikes!
:blush:

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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:37 PM
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22. Great letter--
I'm glad you sent it.

Chuck and Diane--HOW COULD YOU???

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??

WERE YOU THINKING????
:spank: :grr: :mad:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 09:38 PM
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23. Ya Know... One Of YOUR VERY BEST Yet! And While Reading This
text, my mind was thinking you sounded JUST LIKE Keith Olberman! Chuck Schumer has scared me for a very long time and I've always had a feeling he's in bed with some really strange ones!

This man has some REAL power and uses it when and where he wants, and THIS SELL OUT is outrageous! It's people like him and those he pushes forward and supports that has "enabled" and "coddled" this administration to walk all over "We The People!"

And if he manages to get his way and do enough dirty work to get Hillary Clinton the nomination I fear NOTHING is going to change. And to think, THIS country is going through the "motion" of spreading DEMOCRACY around the world, when we DON'T HAVE IT HERE!!

Let them eat cake, 'eh??? I didn't get my slice YET!!!! Off with your head and take Rahm with you!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:03 PM
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35. Hey, ya mean I'm not paranoid?
Or at least I'm not the ONLY paranoid?

I have always distrusted Schumer.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:08 PM
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26. Former Schumer supporter here as well.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:09 PM
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27. Well Said, Ma'am
Mr. Schumer has behaved disgracefully here, as has Ms. Feinstein. The simple fact is that not only interrogating officers, but chiefs of department, and even the heads of the Executive branch of this administration, have committed crimes of war under international law, and felony crimes under U.S. law, by torturing prisoners in their custody. That seems to me an over-riding concern, and one a US. Senator, particularly a U. S. Senator from the Democratic Party, must address before just about anything else.

"Don't bring a knife to a gun-fight."
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:13 PM
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28. What disturbs me most is that these votes ...
Are legitimizing the practice. Torture will no longer just be the actions of an outlaw administration ... it will become the accepted norm. The folks can't see beyond their dirty back room deals.


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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:18 PM
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30. It Is Against The Law, Sir
It cannot be legitimized; only overlooked until it is prosecuted.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:42 AM
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38. Always an honour, sir ...
"Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."

One of my favourite lines, and so appropriate in this circumstance.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:30 PM
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32. I guess this means that you won't be attending the next Keep the Powder Dry support group meeting
K&R
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:37 PM
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34. Pretty soon that powder is going to need ...
some moisturizer. ;)


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:12 PM
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36. Interesting story about wetting the powder:
In the early days after the invention of black powder (or rather, its spread into Europe, having been known in the orient for many years), there was a guild of powdermakers/artillerymen who used their own urine in mixing up the potassium nitrate-charcoal-sulfur paste that they dried and crumbled to make the powder. They claimed that only urine produced by heavy wine drinking was fit for making gunpowder--and furthermore, that better wine produced better powder. As a result, members of the guild were guaranteed a supply of high-quality wine.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:49 AM
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39. I LOVE this kind of anecdotal history ...
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 02:49 AM by NanceGreggs
... what do you do on Monday nights?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 09:03 AM
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55. ...Monday nights?
Would I have to know something about TV or something in order to know what you're referring to? If so, I'm a lost cause.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 12:12 PM
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64. Sorry about the cryptic message ...
... just an old habit that will probably never die.

For about twelve years, I participated in a Trivia League. There were about 20 teams competing against each other. We played on Monday nights.

As the captain of a team, I often 'lost' a team member or two at the last minute, because they had to travel for business, etc. So whenever I met someone with a knowledge of obscure facts, I immediately asked them what they were doing on Monday night.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 11:40 AM
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94. Thanks. It all comes clear now.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:23 PM
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83. i've been told
that keeping you're powder dry is all well and good. But on a real HOT day that powder keg is more likely to explode all by itself... y'know in a spontaneously combustible manner. (imagine a glint of sunlight on hay speckled dust motes from said stored keg, powder microscopic fine catching deep heat and just one spark from a shard of a stone rubbing against another shard of a stone only less than 1% flint, but...)

Course, that's only just something i heard. Might've read it somewhere.

As for what to do with Powder and how to store it, i don't know. Might be good to wet it down, probably not i'd think.

Might be a good idea not to use Powder, that way you don't have to store it. Maybe use something that's not flammable, so it doesn't blow up or anything.

;)

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:56 AM
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40. Yeah, I guess I'm out on my ear now ...
The irony is that I DO believe in 'keeping the powder dry' in certain circumstances.

But I'm afraid that on THIS topic, I'm a zero-tolerance kind of chick.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:59 AM
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41. Thank you once again Nance for saying it better than I ever could.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:30 AM
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42. You Are A True Example Of Class And Style.
.
"If the issue of torture should not be a determinant, what issue should be?"

I humbly ask, "May I stand next to you?" Yours is the spirit that makes me proud to be a member at DemocraticUnderground.

.
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AZgirl7 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:36 AM
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43. Oh Nance
It hit me a few weeks ago that it's our government, AGAINST US. SO FEW have the guts to do the right thing!! Twilight zone or the Outer Limits??? At least WE are fighting. THEY have been putting the nitro fuel in Bush's locomotive. I hate them ALL now. Pelosi's contempt for protesters, Conyer's arrests of Capitol visitors? C'mon. They have NO intention of 'representing' us! Even if they voted NO and lost, just BECAUSE it's the principal of the thing, I'd have SOME hope. But no. If they had principals, the criminals would have been impeached LONG AGO!!! You can't say yes just because you know Bush will say NO!!!
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AZgirl7 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:40 AM
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44. Everybody should print and send this to
Schumer AND Feinstein
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AZgirl7 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:37 AM
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45. Help Nance
I can NOT seem to get your journal page. It shows you are on my 'tracking list' but the page is blank. Same thing when i go to the 'blogroll' and click your name. I'm looking for a post i think i saw in early Sept. THANKS! I wrote to the admin. before, but could not resolve.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:46 AM
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46. You've summed up
how I feel about most of our presidential candidates. Especially the "inevitable one".

"What we are now left with is the best we can get in circumstances where the best is just another euphemism for the least of the evils we are forced to choose from."
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:47 AM
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47. VERY, VERY, VERY...Well Done!
What part of "Never Again" don't these Nazi enablers understand?
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:35 AM
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48. I feel like our Dems are being blackmailed or something.
Issues arise that you think they can actually assert power on brings them to their knees as they bow to the enemy. Just once I would like to see them deny Bush something.....anything that he desires. It is like the Republicans have a dossier filled with incriminating information on our Dem representatives. Maybe they are making some "back door" deals that we do not know about. We have to make sure these people do not get back into office. I would only give money and effort to a Dem who will come forward during an election that will get rid of the likes of Schumer and Feinstein, et al. They, and many other Dems, have become the enemy in my eyes.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:17 AM
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59. I can't help but think the same thing
Certainly the question that needs answering is, What the heck are people like Schumer and Feinstein afraid of?? They're firmly entrenched incumbents in solidly Democratic states, going against an incredibly unpopular Republican president. What in the world do they think is going to happen if they stand up to him on this? Are they afraid that people who have probably never voted for them in the past are going to not vote for them again? The irony now is that they may have done themselves more damage among people who otherwise would have voted for them than they ever would have done among independents and undecideds if they had stood firm on this issue.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:44 PM
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93. Do they ever have another Dem oppose them in primaries?
If not, or even if some unknown runs against their big-name recognition, then they have no one to fear. They can do as they like, as they have done. What are you going to do? Vote for Repug? They are taking our votes for granted, as we have nowhere else to go. If Feingold, still undecided about Mukasey, caves in... we are truly lost.
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:56 PM
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82. Exactly! Profiles in Cowardice. What does the cabal HAVE on them?
I find myself wonder just who took possession of the contents of J. Edgar Hoover's safe? Who's the Keeper of the Nasty Secrets today?
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:16 AM
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49. It is distressing that he recommended Mukasey in the first place
I can't remember who said this, but it rings true -- "never get between Chuck Schumer and a TV camera". That is the essence of this New York Senator -- out for one and only one person, and that is himself.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:50 PM
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86. I get the feeling
Chuck will be avoiding cameras and microphones for the next year or so. He has no excuse to support any of Bush's immoral choices, no one does.
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:20 AM
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50. Congratulations and Thanks!
Great piece! I'm not a New Yorker but I join you in your sentiments.

Schumer is exercising his Democratic right- to fold in the face of controversy. Wouldn't it be awful to have the Bush administration angry with a democratic member of congress. Doesn't it seem the fix is in? Where is that missing 8+billion dollars anyhow?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 08:10 AM
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51. Beautiful, Nance, absolutely beautiful!
These cowardly Democrats are akin to those German politicians who allowed Hitler to rise to supreme power. Ironic isn't it. Schumer & Feinstein, both Jews, fail to see the parallels.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 09:42 AM
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57. Agree. Absolutely.
This is what Naomi Wolf writes about in her new book, "The End of America," an anguishing cry of alarm if what is happening under Bush/Cheney/Rove and the compliant 'opposition.'
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 08:14 AM
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52. Thank You
Thank you for saying in a civil manner what I exploded about and ranted on for hours yesterday.
Add my name to the list of thousands to send to Schumer and Feinstein letting them know how disgusted we are with them.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 08:37 AM
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53. K & R
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 08:45 AM
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54. thank you for that letter-very powerful.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 09:33 AM
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56. Excellent, as always, and very powerfully stated.
k&r
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:47 AM
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60. Why betray their oaths to protect the Constitution?
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 10:48 AM by windoe
What would make a person do this? I cannot believe so many representatives are so inherently blind, or manevolent, or ignorant. I know they have all gone to law school and understand the gravity of the loss of habeus corpus, and legalizing torture. It is easy to research waterboarding and see that it is indeed torture.
If our representatives are in fact otherwise rational and basically honest people, what would possibly be their motives for changing the very structure and ideology of our government? Do the laws on the books now in fact not describe a fascist state? There is a part of me that wonders if they are somehow being coerced or threatened in some way, and sadly, I do not put it past * to do this.
Great post!!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:34 AM
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61. Good, but it's a tad too long. Maybe you could cut it down a bit? ....
The shorter the better. It'll have more of a chance of getting read, if it's shorter. Otherwise, it's excellent.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:35 AM
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62. Senator Schumer takes his coffee black
and his powder dry.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:43 AM
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63. Excellent Letter, Nance !!! - Thank You !!! - K & R !!!
:kick:
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 12:28 PM
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65. Great letter - but I doubt his sincerity
You are thoughtful and surely give Schumer respect and the benefit of the doubt as to motivation. But at this point, I wouldn't trust him as far as a Blackwater thug could throw him.

Am I too cynical: It's almost as if the Dems want the DoJ repression apparatus to survive intact so its there for them in 2009. Just in case we-the-people get too uppity.

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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 12:33 PM
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66. Right on, as always...
Nance, as usual, you are spot on. I am always amazed at how you can get your point across so forcefully while at the same time maintaining your class and composure. I don't know what has happened to make our elected officials so afraid up standing for what is right, rather than what is easy or politically expedient. What ever happened to standing their ground? There are still a handful who vote their conscience, regardless of what is popular or easy (Dennis Kucinich seems to be the best example of this today), but their numbers seem to dwindling with each chance to defend the Constitution they swore to protect. While I have no children of my own, I do have a young niece, and I am very scared of what the world she will grow up in will look like, and I fear those who do have a chance to make things right are pissing that chance away. Charles Schumer's (as well as Diane Feinsteins's) decision to support Mukasey is just one more example of that. I feel like Tony Soprano has put everything that was once right about this country in the trunk and is taking it for a ride.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:05 PM
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67. Nancy, I think you should forward your ENTIRE letter to Keith. I think he may just air it. rec'd
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:22 PM
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68. Awesome! I wrote him as well, & told him I would send money to any progressive who challenges him

It is clear that the Democrats need to be replaced (with a few notable exceptions).

I guess, if this wakes us up to the reality of our true situation, it will be the best we could hope for....
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:14 PM
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74. The problem is the party machine will always back the incumbent. There is no chance
anyone will oppose him. The system is so screwed. Look at Lieberman. CT was lucky enough to have someone progressive with enough money to oppose him. But Lamont had to fight the Democratic Party all the way to the end, and he lost. The Party likes their own.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:31 PM
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70. Well done. In addition to what you say...
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 01:39 PM by spooky3
this is a battle that the Democrats could clearly WIN. Bush shouldn't have been told that the Dems would settle for the best of a group of unacceptable candidates. The Senate has the right and the obligation to turn down ANY unqualified candidate until Bush finally gets it through his thick skull that he would have to send someone who met reasonable minimum standards not only on this issue but all others. So what if the AG position is unfilled for some time? Is that worse than having an AG who is substantially flawed on job-relevant characteristics?

I am one of the most reluctant to criticize Dems. in Congress who have less power than we'd like them to have and thus have to choose politically realistic options. But I see absolutely nothing in Schumer's and Feinstein's actions that reflect this constraint.

I think people who would have contributed to DSCC, which Schumer still chairs, I believe,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Schumer

should instead consider contributing directly to the Dem. candidates in the closest races, or to the DNC. I don't want Dems.' chances harmed, but Schumer needs to be sent a clear signal.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 01:55 PM
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71. K & R nm
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:11 PM
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73. Another fine letter from you Nancy. K&R
Please let us know if you happen to get replies to some of your letters other than those that are automated. I know it is a rare occurance that one gets a real reply and those are very interesting to hear. It is usually spin and excuses as I had confronted Specter once and actually got a real reply, but alas it was on my 40gb hd that crashed.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:15 PM
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75. We are stuck with The Torture Two. There is no way to replace them except with republicans. nm
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:38 PM
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76. i too used to support mr. schumer
as a registered democrat in the state of new york i was damn proud of my senators simply because they were democrats. hillary i detest on principle and chuck i thought was a voice of progressiveness. the fact that he was so high in the senate power boded well, or so i thought, for the american people. not just fellow new yorkers. however, that hope has now been dashed. when i opened my beloved new york times just a few days ago, it was with a heavy heart that i saw schumer was capitulating, giving in, yet again to such a clear and obvious threat. oh for a wellstone or a feingold.

the democratic party is dead or dying, the party of the DLC is here to stay.

go DENNIS!!!!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 02:58 PM
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77. If the issue of torture should not be a determinant, what issue should be?
Israel?
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:03 PM
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78. bad move, Mr. Schumer
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:11 PM
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79. Schumer sucks
When New York, of all states, can't get truly Democratic senators...
well, I think this entire country is in deep, deep shit

pardon the expression.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:38 PM
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80. Nance it is time for you to run for the SENATE.
you would have hard core, letter writing, phone calling, petition signing liberal, grassroots democrats like me in your pocket.
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:43 PM
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81. SECOND the motion: Nance for US SENATE
I live across the pond in Vermont; I'll come help gather petition signatures. When is the good Senator Schumer's term up?
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:39 PM
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84. Absolutely perfect
The Democrats will lose all that was gained in 06 and then some for this reason: They deserve to lose. They keep showing up to gun fights wearing boxing gloves.
The very fact that Congress is debating whether torture is within our moral guidelines is a sure sign that we've gone so far down the rat hole there may be no turning back.
Maybe if we all stayed home on election day and ceded congress back to the Republicans the Democrats remaining will get the message. I'm just about there.
Support Dennis Kucinich. Impeachment is on his table.

"Wave goodbye to America, and say hello to the world."
(Tim Buckley)

Any real Democrat who continues sending money to these assholes must be on dope.
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Buster Schulz Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:46 PM
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85. Back in the day....
“… It is generally acknowledged that the confirmation process no longer works, and Bush and his nominees took full advantage of its weaknesses. The confirmation process broke down… because the Bush Administration learned the wrong lesson from the failed Bork nomination. It decided it could still nominate extremists, as long as their views were not well known… This was the widely held view, even though neither Republicans nor Democrats were very sure where Roberts stood on many issues. It was clear, in any case, that he was every bit as conservative as the man whose seat he was hoping to assume, William Rehnquist. Roberts was also telegenic, articulate, personable, and impeccably prepared at his confirmation hearing: He provided what sounded like valid answers to the questions but effectively volunteered little about his beliefs that was not already known. As a sophisticated Supreme Court practitioner, he knew how to walk around or jump over the potential land mines during a confirmation, and on September 22, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent the Roberts nomination to the full Senate by a vote of 13 to 5, with Democratic senators Ted Kennedy, Richard Durbin, CHARLES SCHUMER, Joe Biden, and DIANE FEINSTEIN opposing the nomination.”

— BROKEN GOVERNMENT: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches / by John W. Dean.
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cadaverdog Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:59 PM
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87. Ms. Greggs, you just
keep getting better. May I pass along a thought from Mark Shields on the PBS News Hour broadcast Friday?

We now have a President who condones torture and denies children healthcare.

Just when will the nighmare end?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:03 PM
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88. I agree 100% with every single word. I sure hope Schumer never gets elected to anything ever again.
Edited on Sat Nov-03-07 06:10 PM by BrklynLiberal
I never voted for him..and never will. For some reason, he always struck me as sleazy, and I just could never bring myself to vote for him.

Wasn't Schumer in on the deal to discourage the Iraqi War vet from running for the Senate in PA? Sorry I cannot remember the name..but I recall that Schumer was in on that.

edit. I believe I am thinking of Paul Hackett who was talked out of running in Ohio. But I do believe Schumer was instrumental in getting a more "conservative" Democrat into the run for the Senate in PA as well.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:59 PM
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89. Chuck Pro Torture Schumer - a disgraceful sub human being.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:04 PM
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90. Sorry that I have but one "recommend" to give. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:07 PM
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91. Don't waste your time sending those tratiors email. Send Reed emails saying that if
he doesn't sanction the Torture Two then we need a new Senate majority leader. In the face of tyranny the Democratic Party is fiddling.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:13 PM
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92. Nance...not much left for me to say...our DU friends have
said everthing that I would have said...

Well Done my sister well done!!
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