Waiting for Obama to denounce the hatefest last night....

[FredScuttle]

waiting........waiting.....

[joeybee12]

1. Is that the infamous Donny? (And i don't mean Osmond)

If so, the guy's gotta still be practicing...you know what.

[FredScuttle]

2. Absolutely

that is the infamous Donnie McClosetCase. Talk about denial...

[joeybee12]

3. Being gay I can say this...

...Donny almost looks TOO gay!!! }(

[QC]

12. Girlfriend ain't fooling nobody! n/t

[Touchdown]

37. You just know he's a bottom!

:evilgrin:

[QC]

55. And a pushy, demanding one at that! n/t

[Karenina]

28. It's Donnie.

[ronnykmarshall]

44. That mouth opens ....

a purse falls out.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Queen PLEASE!

[terrya]

4. I don't think Obama can do anything in the way of damage control over this.

The damage is already done.

I genuninely don't know what his campaign can do about this.

[FredScuttle]

6. They can stand up, finally, and apologize

The first apology they owe is to the LGBT community whom they threw under the bus en masse for this asshole. Next, they can apologize to Democrats everywhere, straight and gay, for such a disgusting display of pandering.

I'm not holding my breath.

[FlaxieB]

13. Because you do not like him holding a gospel concert with someone you may not like

however, African Americans tend to like his music is not pandering. African Americans love Gospel music. It may not be for you. However, the concert was not able his sexual preference. It was about religion. That is something everyone here tries to push. They were not having a meeting to talk about sexual orientation. If so, it would have been called that. It was about listening to gospel music. The bottom line is no one here gets that. However, others do get it. Bottom line if someone did not want to hear Donnie sing, they did not have to show up. Religious people have a right to hear whomever sing.

On another note Donnie's perference is up to him and the person he sleeps with. It is not for me to decide or judge. People can do what they want with their own bodies. If they determine one thing is not for them, they may go to something else. With that being said, I could care less what he does with his body as long as it is not with me. It is called FREEDOM to do what the hell you want people. I know most of you do not get that he has that right.

[eShirl]

19. nice straw man. n/t

[FredScuttle]

29. are you female?

If so, you can be damn sure Donnie don't want none of you!

Donnie's on the down low.

And thank you for enlightening me to the fact that blacks like gospel music...I would have never guessed. :sarcasm:

Question for you....who brought up sexual orientation at the religious gospel concert?

[MNDemNY]

53. Just a note

that poster did note mention "orientation" he/she phrased it as "preference" Somewhat telling.

[dbackjon]

5. Just called Obama campaign

[phone]

Demanded immediate apology.


Also asked the volunteer why she volunteers for someone who supports hate. Asked her if she would still volunteer if Obama paraded out the KKK.... (No response).

[FredScuttle]

31. Great idea

Obama will think he can get away with this duplicitous bullshit unless he is called on it.

[MH1]

7. Please quote the hateful parts of the event, for those who missed it.

And I don't mean the presence of a specific person, I mean what did the person say that was hateful?

[joeybee12]

8. In the past he has compared gays to child molesters and

criminals..he said we must fight a war against gays. Offensive enough for you yet?

[FlaxieB]

15. What happened at the event that was hatelful. Please post.

Not what he said in the past. What was said at the event.

[terrya]

10. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3657614&mesg_id=3657614

Look. If McClurkin is happy with his life now, great, whatever. But as a GLBT Democrat and one who would vote for Obama if he is the nominee, I find this "God saved me from homosexuality" crap offensive in the extreme. I do NOT think a person's sexual orientation is something to be "saved" from. I am a gay man who is quite comfortable with his sexual orientation. And I think that a Presidential campaign who would hire someone like this, whose candidate purports to support GLBT equality, should be ashamed of themselves for tacitly going along with this kind of bigotry.

[FlaxieB]

16. Did he say this over the weekend at the meeting? Yes or NO

[terrya]

17. YES. He said it at the last half hour of the event last night.

[Bluebear]

24. God SAVED me from homosexuality!!!!! God is the ONLY WAY!!!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tour/

Can I get an amen? :eyes:

[MH1]

26. He wasn't happy with his life and he was converted to a religion that made him happier.

I strenuously disagree with it but I think it's a stretch to call it "hateful."

Clearly I'm in the minority here though.

[Bluebear]

27. And this is what Obama felt the need to showcase, despite warnings.

[FredScuttle]

30. A "stretch" to call it hateful?

Try these on for size:

God saved me from being black
God saved me from being a woman
God saved me from being handicapped
God saved me from being depressed
God saved me from being an immigrant
God saved me from being Jewish

and so on and so on....

His turn of phrase makes homosexuality equal to the fucking plague. He's a hateful bigot.

[denem]

40. God saved me from being God ;)

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Clearly ...

[gateley]

38. What was the response from the audience when he said that? nt

[Bluebear]

41. "The crowd sang and clapped along in full support."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tour/

[FredScuttle]

42. Apparently the crowd cheered and clapped loudly

God-loving Christian people, you know.

[gateley]

52. Boy, that's disappointing. Not because of Obama, but because people would

cheer being "healed" of homosexuality. Disturbing.

[FredScuttle]

54. I would think Obama would be ashamed that people were cheering

but poor little naive me....those were exactly the kind of people Obama was "reaching out to" for his South Carolina Hate Fest 2007.

[William769]

9. Please don't hold your breath.

It was calculated, it won't be forthcoming.

[DURHAM D]

22. Exactly - Obama is slicin' and dicin' the numbers.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

[SaveElmer]

11. Hard to come to any conclusion other then Obama has adopted the Republican tactic...

Of bashing gays to certain constituencies for votes...

While I am (obviously) a strong Hillary supporter, this actually makes me very sad...I have relatives who are gay, cousin and my sister, and I know how this type of attitude just enables anti-gay folks to claim it is just a "disease" or an "abnormality" that needs to be cured, rather than what it is, an innate part of how some people are born, and as such those people need to be treated equally...

Despite my criticisms of Obama up to now, I have always admired him and that he was the future star of the party...this really tarnishes that for me!

[FlaxieB]

18. Obama has not adopted a republican Tatic. He is for all and has proven that.

He will not pander to one section of the democratic base like some people. He has supported the GBLT and well as other groups. However, he will not deny one group of people because one section of the democratic base would like him to either. There are religious Dems, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asian, Muslims etc. We are all one party. However, he does not have to choose one section of the party. He has stated his views. He does not have to agree with everyone's views such as Donnie. He has in as much stated that. However, he is not going to fore sake the religious group either. He is not supposed to be representing one section of America. He is supposed to represent ALL of America. That is what a President does. All not just one group. If we want one group, then we should put Bush back in the White House. It is about ALL the People of These United States.

[MNDemNY]

20. Different flavor...but kool-aid just the same.Drink up flaxy.

[DURHAM D]

25. It is really hard to watch a pretzel being formed.

All that bending and twisting and tying oneself into a knot is painful to see.

[SaveElmer]

21. So pandering to ant-gay bigotry is ok with you then?...nt

[CyberPieHole]

32. Obama has sided with bigots and homophobes...

Civil rights only matter to Obama if they directly affect him. Or if he finds there are more votes to be gained by pandering to religious bigots and homophobes. He has only proven that he is as flawed as everyone else. He offers no change: just same same (but different).

[FredScuttle]

33. Translation: Bigots Need Love Too

I don't know what's sadder...your tortured defense of bigotry or your grammar and spelling.

[trotsky]

51. An important note needs to be made here.

Your post clearly implies that you think it's religious Democrats vs. gay Democrats.

Not every religious Democrat is a homophobic bigot. Our beef is only with those. So please quit framing this as "people of faith" versus "others" conflict.

[denem]

14. Does Donnie set off your gaydar?

I'm a straight man, and am pretty hopeless at this but ... GAF!

[Bluebear]

23. No. Gaydar is something straight people often use to reinforce stereotypes.

By even suggesting that by looking at his album you can "tell" he is gay, you are unwittingly furthering the stereotype. :hi:

[denem]

35. Sorry

My brother Tim is gay and talks about gaydar, but thinking about it, yeah its my stereotype- like saying, straight guys can always pick ...

I am a passionate supporter of GLBT rights. The pink triangle is a stark reminder of where the tracks of bigotry and hatred lead. But if I am asked, I will say I am prejudiced ... a thousand conscious and unconscious prejudgments. However, once in a social situation, it all seems rather unimportant.

[Bluebear]

39. Don't be

I know you "get it" and I appreciate your support for GLBT rights, mate, good on ya.

[2rth2pwr]

34. It's gonna be a long time

[Karenina]

36. Will. Not. Happen.

[FredScuttle]

45. Update: Memo from Obama campaign

says here that McClurkin only hates unhappy gays....he's willing to leave the happy gays alone. Well, that's an improvement! :sarcasm:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/29/post_159.html

[Mass]

47. Not sure why the campaign digs itself deeper and deeper...

They just do not seem to understand what the problem is.

[FredScuttle]

50. I have to believe that they now understand what a clusterfuck this is

and their attempts to placate both sides is only resulting in more disastrous press releases and statements like this.

I doubt Obama HQ is in siege mode about this....after all, the MSM seemed to be ignoring it until today. But I hope that Obama's more influential advisors and supports (I'm looking at you, David Geffen) clue Obama in on how badly his campaign staff is fucking this up.

[terrya]

48. The campaign should probably just shut up about it now.

The damage has been done. All they are doing is making it worse.

[Cameron27]

49. WTF 's the matter with him

I think he's completely tone-deaf at this point.