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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:42 AM
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WIsh Hillary Happy Birthday?!?!? From the DCCC?!?!?
Can somebody please explain why I just received this email

In 36 years, Hillary and I have shared a lot of birthdays, and each year I'm amazed at everything she has accomplished. This is a very special year: we're celebrating Hillary's 60th, and I hope you'll join me in sending her a birthday message, sharing your wishes for her and your hopes for the coming year.

I'll make sure to share your message with Hillary. And please encourage your friends and family to send their messages as well.

You can see my birthday message to Hillary and add your own here:
Click here to sign the card

I know how happy Hillary will be to hear from you on her birthday. Thank you for helping me to make her day special.

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton

I am on DCCC's mailing list, most definitely not on Hillary's? Will the DCCC send similar messages for the other candidates' birthdays? IMHO --> DISGUSTING!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:42 AM
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1. waaa. nt.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
13. Out if full force today
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
57. Happy Birthday, Hillary!
:party:
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:44 AM
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2. OMG BIRTHDAYS ARE DISGUSTING nt
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Birthdays can be fun
The party structure pushing one candidate IS disgusting. And wrong.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:47 AM
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5. Exactly eom
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. Was the email from the DCCC?
You seemed to imply that it wasn't.

As I said elsewhere its likely the Clintons have purchased Democratic mailing lists that you are on.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Yes, it was, FROM: Bill Clinton "[email protected]"
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 11:58 AM by MH1
Edit to fix little problem with brackets not showing up.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. I take it you received the same email?
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 12:00 PM by rinsd
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Yes, I did. Deleted it immediately.
I refused to give in to my urge to write my real feelings about Hillary on it. (since I know they wouldn't have gone forward and she wouldn't have seen it anyway. If she had a conscience, that would be enough anyway.)

But, when I saw this post I went into the Trash folder and verified the sending address.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #20
40. Ditto.
Straight to the TRASH.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
53. I received the same. n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #9
16. Yes, it was
That's my main point. Sorry if I did not make it clear enough earlier.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. I misunderstood.
I apologize for my kneejerk reaction ;-)
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. No problem, thanks! n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
4. I'm sure they will send one out for Edwards on his next birthday, in June
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:48 AM
Response to Original message
6. You are on Democratic mailing lists which the Clinton have likely purchased.
The ridiculous kneejerk outrage around here sometimes is quite amusing.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #6
11. Purchased?
Maybe... I do not know what the rules are, but I do no think it should be for sale. But even then, the email should have come from a Clinton address, NOT from the DCCC. Supporting the party does not mean supporting HRC, and the party should not be pushing one candidate to the expense of the others, that's all I am saying. ANd the disgust I mentioned was mainly for the DCCC. No knee jerk reaction IMHO.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Ok so it was from a DCCC email address.
I was confused by your OP which seemed to imply you had only given out your email to the DCCC yet got an email from the Clinton campaign.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. Apparently, DCCC = Clinton Campaign now.
That appearance is where the problem is.

If they did this for all prominent Dems it might not be a concern. It is the appearance of favoritism that is the problem.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
77. I agree with you. i didn't get anything from the DCCC on Kucinich's birthday, and he's in the
House, for crying out load.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #77
97. Yeah, that makes it worse - they don't even support their own. n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
109. All the Democrats SHARE our fellow Democrats email lists.
I get email from everyone...including all those I never had anything to do with...it's the nature of the game. We're all suppose to be for Democrats and encouraged to vote on issues that Democrats care about. I don't mind them all sharing our email addresses as it gets our issues out to as many Dems as possible. Isn't that what we want? If you don't want email from any of them...it's simple to get off their lists.

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. No, they don't.
Maybe some do, I do not know, but definitely not ALL.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #111
116. OK not all , but most. But the point is ...Is that a bad thing?
People around here act offended about hearing from some another Dem that isn't their choice. As Democrats...can't we just wish Hillary a happy 60th (that's a big one) Birthday without getting upset? I just know I wouldn't have been upset if they asked to send Obama birthday greetings. I don't see what's all the fuss is about.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #116
121. The fuss is NOT about a birthday
it is about playing favorites and at the very least giving the appearance of an endorsement. I do not personally know Hillary, nor Obama, nor any of the other candidates. I do not wish happy birthday to people I do not personally know, unless I have a very good reason to, and definitely not simply because they happen to share some of my views.

As to sharing email lists, yes, I think it is a bad thing. Do you think it is OK for companies to share/sell information about their customers? Yes, I know, they do do it, and often indiscriminately, but that's a different story. Do you think that it is OK for people YOU know and gave your email address to, to share it with all the people THEY know? Again, not the same thing, but clear similarities. Do you want to receive emails asking for support and $ from Lieberman, still kind of a democrat, or... I don't know... Ben Nelson (feel free to replace with any dem you are not particularly fond of)?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. Well not that you put it that way....
leaves room with tail between legs.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
7. I know the DCCC didn't send an email when Obama had a birthday
I wonder why.... :crazy:

Either way, I hope Hillary has a good day today.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. ZZ c'mon use your head.
The DCCC didn't send out the message. The OP is likely on Democratic mailing lists that the Clinton have purchased.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. No - you are incorrect. The mailing came FROM the DCCC.
Here's the return address:

Bill Clinton <[email protected]>

Did they send one out for Howard Dean's birthday? John Kerry's birthday? Rahm Emanuel's birthday?

I don't recall that they did any of those.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
63. See post 58 for all the answers
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:00 PM
Response to Original message
14. I Want Every Democrat To Have A Happy Birthday
Even some of the the ones I have met on this board...
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I want the DCCC to stay out of the Presidential race. n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Absolutely. But that of course was not my point
Thank you by the way, mine is tomorrow :-)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Happy Birthday, Inuca
DSB
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. Thanks!
:-)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:04 PM
Response to Original message
19. Holy CRAP...call 911.....nt
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. A great, rational argument
Thank you for your contribution
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Given the importance of the "issue"
The response was appropriate...
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. If the party establishment chose to push Obama, well before
any primary votes were cast, you wouldn't think that was a problem?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. If the DCCC wants to send me a message from Michelle Obama...
Asking to send him a birthday message...that is ok by me...

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Of course, they won't. Obviously. n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Probably why Obama is so far behind in the polls...
Not getting that DCCC birthday support!!!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Obama's birthday was sometime in August
I did not receive any birthday message from Michelle via the DCCC. Did you? That's EXACTLY the point, and I am sure you can see it, even if you refuse to acknowledge it. And it IS an issue, no quotes baout it, the party structure SHOULD NOT play favorites.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. I can see it is a trivial issue...
Certainly not worthy of 33 responses...

If you are so upset why don't you call the DCCC and express your displeasure...
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. The birthday by itself IS a trivial issue
the DCCC playing favorites is NOT trivial. As for expressing my displeasure, thanks for the suggestion, I will.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Well report back on Birthday-Gate as quick as you can...
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 12:43 PM by SaveElmer
And oh...here's some food for thought...maybe Hillary is the only one who thought to ask the DCCC for their list for this purpose...
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Actually, this shows blatant favoritism. Basically, Bill Clinton
was allowed to use the DCCC e-mail list to send a positive message about Hillary Clinton. It is blurring the lines between a Democratic org that shouldn't play favorites, and Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate. I thought the point of the DCCC was to get Democratic House candidates elected. This merely confirms suspicions many of us have, that Hillary has full out institutional support from the Democratic infrastructure, even supposedly NEUTRAL TERRITORY like the DCCC. That is patently unfair to all the other candidates. This strikes me as "the smoke filled room" via e-mail. Just plain wrong.

As far as someone saying Hillary "purchased" the list -- holy cow, I hope that is an error. When people sign up for a particular e-mail list, they are NOT giving permission to have their name sold to any other list. That better not happen EVER.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. DCCC Privacy policy...
The DCCC collects some personal information (that is, information that can be directly associated with an individual) in order to process its credit card contributions. The DCCC also collects names, addresses and e-mail addresses from those who affirmatively request to be placed on DCCC e-mail lists, through which they may receive information about DCCC activities, breaking news or important events.

It is the general policy of the DCCC not to make personal information available to anyone other than its employees or agents who need to know that information in the course of their duties. However, the DCCC is often required to disclose information regarding its contributions to comply with campaign finance laws. For example, Federal law requires us to use our best efforts to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation and name of employer of individuals whose contributions aggregate in excess of $200 in a calendar year.

Additionally, from time to time, the DCCC may share personal information with organizations whose issues or goals are similar to our own, and which we believe would interest you.



Now I know that a birthday greeting is apt to get literally dozens of Democrats to change their support from Obama to Hillary....

So I suggest you unsubscribe yourself immedietely...
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. My last reply to you, because obviously you do not want to play fair
They played favorites. Period. In a primary season, they had no reason to "believe" that I would be more interested in "wishing" (read donate $) a happy birthday to Hillary, than to Obama, or Edwards, or Biden, or, or, or.... End of story.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Have you called to find out?
Maybe..and I am just spitballing here...maybe Hillary's campaign is the only one that thought to ask for the DCCC list for this purpose...

Do you know that they would not have given the list to Obama if he had asked for it?

You are making assumptions without evidence...
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. The bottom of the email...
"Paid for by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and authorized by Hillary Clinton for President"

That's not the Clinton campaign sending out the email, that's the DCCC.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Have you called...
To find out if the DCCC simply did not receive requests from the other campaigns for a similar mailing...

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #56
65. read my post below...it's a NEW 'add members to the DCCC' campaign
where they will share all their email addresses if the campaign's will share all THEIR email addresses. Well, at least the Clinton Edwards and Obama campaigns.

The DCCC isn't interested in getting emails of the supporters of Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Gravel or Kucinich :eyes:.

I still wonder about the legality of one campaign committee 'sharing' resources with another campaign committee. I assume the FEC will decide if it is appropriate.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #56
71. The DCCC shouldn't be honoring any such requests.And they should not be using their name.
I do not donate to them in order for them to effectively endorse a particular primary candidate for president. When their name is used in such a manner it implies endorsement. Their job is to elect Congresspersons. I am asking for my money back. This is wrong.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
48. I agree - great summary
The party itself has pushed HRC since Nov 2004. She has been designated a leader since before she was in the Senate. What this tells me is that I will not give one cent to the DCCC or the DSC and if they remove Dean, you can add the DNC.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #30
119. Exactly. But are we truly surprised? n/t
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 12:52 AM by DemFemme
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
34. I ALWAYS Remember Hillary's Birthday... It's The Day After Mine... BUT
I won't be signing any card!! Sorry Hillary, you lost me!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Jesus does everyone have a bday this week?
Mine was Wed. I know at least 3 other regular DUers who were this week.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
61. 10/21
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
89. Hey are you ok out here?
Hope you and yours are safe.

And a belated Happy Birthday!

:party:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. thanks!
My place is fine. I live about twenty minutes NE of downtown San Diego.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
43. Why is the Clinton campaign using the DCCC resources?\nt
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. old Jedi mind trick. nt.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. Because they can - the usual Clinton reason
Not to mention that this likely gives them the email of everyone who responds.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
46. Can people get any smaller or more petty?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. Patience, dear
Of course they can. It's just a matter of time
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. not if their last name is Clinton
Can't you see that this is a blatant use of what should be a neutral resource supporting House of Representative candidates?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #52
66. Read post 58 and reevaluate your knee-jerk reaction
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:25 PM
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47. PEOPLE - this isn't about Hillary's birthday
Inuca's post isn't about being petty and resenting Hillary's birthday.

It is the blatant use of the DCCC to promote one presidential candidate over the others.

Honestly, it's not that hard to understand, which is why some of the manufactured outrage about birthdays on this thread rings pretty hollow.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. See post 58 read it and weep
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 02:26 PM by durrrty libby
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
51. Yes, it's sad. But they are *both* part of the DLC's leadership, and thus, IMO
Political Royalty. :eyes:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:03 PM
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54. Why didn't we a happy birthday email from the DCCC on October 8th for Dennis Kucinich?
Considering that he IS a member of the House of Representatives (and why didn't the DSCC send out the one for Clinton?)

I'm assuming we'll see one on:

November 15th for Bill Richardson - or will that come from the DGA???

November 20th for Joe Biden - from the DSCC?

May 13th for Mike Gravel?

May 27th for Chris Dodd (another one from the DSCC)

and June 10th for John Edwards

AND we all should have received the DSCC's Happy Birthday Barack Obama email on August 4th...you got yours, right??

(Thanks Rham..for not being TOO obvious :eyes:)

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:19 PM
Response to Original message
58. From the DCCC web site
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 02:21 PM by Debi
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/005869.html

UPDATE: It's a "list-swap," says DCCC spokeswoman Jennifer Crider. The campaign committee -- as Politico reported yesterday (!) -- is trying to broaden its fundraising base with an offer to send an email on a candidate's behalf to its list, in exchange for access to their similar-sized lists. The offer has been extended to Clinton, Obama, and Edwards; Clinton is the only one to take them up on it so far.

Mystery solved.


+++++++++++++++

Why only those three? Why NOW and not before Obama's birthday in August?

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Ohh goody..Will the fauxrage snits apologize now?
and thanks
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #59
67. This doesn't make it right by a long shot
Why only the Clinton, Edwards and Obama campaigns? (doesn't the DCCC want the emails of ALL Democratic activists?)

Why didn't they start this 'sharing' program when Edwards and Obama could have capitalized on it (June for Edwards and August for Obama)?

Why isn't the DSCC involved since Clinton, Edwards and Obama are all Senators?

There is no reason the DCCC couldn't have performed an email address exchange with the campaigns w/out actually using their resources (and address) to mail out the Clinton birthday email. (Unless people have the Clinton campaign emails kicked to their spam filter or garbage and this way - with the DCCC address - the email got through).



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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Take it up with the DCCC, but don't blame Clinton for using
something offered to her
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. So she has no judgement and takes everything offered to her? Sheesh.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. I agree, this is the DCCC's Faux pas.
And the Clinton campaign capitalized on it.

:hi:

That still doesn't make it right.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #76
85. I understand your position and yet I hope she gets a tons of
contributions from it.

A successful campaign need lots of dough. That's reality

:hi:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. Yes it is
Have a great weekend.

I'm off of politics for a bit to cheer on the University of Nothern Iowa Panthers in their quest to remain undefeated!

http://unipanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102407aaa.html

Panthers Sell Out UNI-Dome for Youngstown State
It marks the second straight capacity crowd for a football game in the UNI-Dome this season.


CEDAR FALLS, Iowa - For the second consecutive home game, the University of Northern Iowa football team will play in front of a sellout crowd in the UNI-Dome. It is the ninth overall sellout in the UNI-Dome's history.


The UNI ticket office has sold all 16,324 seats in the UNI-Dome as well as another 800 standing room only tickets for Saturday's game against Youngstown State beginning at 3:05 p.m. The game will be broadcast live in the state of Iowa on KFXA-TV and KDSM-TV as a part of the Gateway television package.

<snip>


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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #69
95. I don't blame Clinton, I think the DCCC is wrong to do this.
I have enough reasons to not support Clinton in the primary, I don't need any more.

However whenever I start to think I might ought to support the DCCC, they give me another reason not to.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
62. I deleted mine. eom
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
64. So read post 58 and reevaluate your fauxrage
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. durrrty - you are on the wrong track
The DCCC has no right to advance the candidacy of a limited amount of individuals.

They've only offered this 'sharing' program with the Clinton, Edwards and Obama campaigns.

Now, if you were a Richardson or Dodd or Biden supporter and you received the email - AND read the explanation from the DCCC - would you feel they were promoting democracy? Or just promoting the three high-dollar campaigns (and hoping to get a taste of those campaign's donors)?



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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #70
73.  Some are not well informed.The DCCCis supposed to be electing
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 03:07 PM by saracat
Congresspersons.That is their only function.No presidential candidates ought to be allowed the use of the DCCC name as an implied endorsement.And the list should be offered to ALL candidates if offered to any.I do not believe any of the Presidentials should be offered the list at all.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. I know, the DCCC has behaved in 'questionable ethics' in the past
why not continue the practice? :shrug:

I don't know that I BLAME the Clinton campaign for jumping on this opportunity, I much more blame the DCCC for creating it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. I blame them both.Clinton "knows"that this is wrong.This is typical of Rahm Emmanuel
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 03:11 PM by saracat
he always plays favorites in the congressional races as well.This is just wrong no matter how it is sliced.I think Biden and Dodd should complain as well.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. I'm in agreement with you about this being wrong
I just don't see a way to correct it - other than demanding the DCCC offer it's 'sharing' with all the candidates. But I think we both know that they have no interest in working with 'smaller' candidates. They want the high-dollar donors and the large data-bases. Second-tier candidates just don't rate with them.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Even if nothing is accomplished except to register our "digust" with this blatent missuse
of the DCCC, it is still worth doing.I do not feel that this is just about "Hillary".This is part of a bigger picture.I do think Rahm is in the Hillary camp though and this is sort of mutual "asskissing" but it has greater ramifications than that. Every dissed candidate should complain but really, the DCCC has no business being involved with the presidential race at all.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
88. I hear you - I've been on the short end of the stick w/the DCCC
involving itself where it doesn't belong in the past. *sigh*

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #79
103. I hope they will
Kucinich too, and for that matter Richardson.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #73
102. Perfectly put
All or none, and preferably none. They are supposed to focus on the House, not on presidential candidates.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
68. The DCCC has no business promoting Hillary in this manner. This is unethical.
I suggest we protest. It probably won't do any good but campaign promotions should now be sent for every presidential candidate. I suggest they use any pretext they want from flag day or Thanksgiving to a dogs birthday! Enough is enough.There has not been an election.Hillary should not be "chosen" for us by anyone including the DCCC. Our party is supposed to remain "neutral" during a primary. Giving added exposture to one candidate and using the DCCC to do so is not neutral.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. I can't remember the last time the DCCC remained neutral in a primary
they just usually stick to Congressional primaries, this is the first time I've seen them jump into the Presidential race :eyes:

Protest? protest what? If Hillary Clinton is the nominee the DCCC will be working hand in hand with her campaign, if she is not the nominee the DCCC will work to get members of congress elected or re-elected. Protesting the DCCC will be seen as protesting our nominee or our candidates. Rham gets away with whatever he wants to do.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
72. Biden's birthday is November 17. Wish him as well. nt
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. November 20th
;)
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #82
123. My bad, but he is having a party on Nov. 17 in Wilmington.
:hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
75. More Manufactured Outrage
UPDATE: It's a "list-swap," says DCCC spokeswoman Jennifer Crider. The campaign committee — as Politico reported yesterday (!) — is trying to broaden its fundraising base with an offer to send an e-mail on a candidate's behalf to its list, in exchange for access to their similar-sized lists. The offer has been extended to Clinton, Obama and Edwards; Clinton is the only one to take them up on it so far.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/An_email_from_the_DCCC.html
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
84. Mine isin't "manufactured" I am outraged and not just about Hillary.
The DCCC has no business in a presidential campign.Period. And to intervene and do so preferentially is a disgrace. I do not think any of the presidentials should be "offered " this but if they are,it should be extended to them all.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. That's what I thought, most national candidates
form PAC's to help local and state war chests....they ask for money!

I haven't read all the comments yet, has someone posted the entire email ?

The subject line was Happy Birthday, and since mine was recent, gee, I thought the DCCC remembered ... lol....

Then there was the Hill birthday greeting message from Bill. The bottom disclaimer, paid by the DCCC approved by Hillary. That's all ?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #84
99. See post 93 and 98. Become informed
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #99
125. Post #93 actually is quite informative
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3649031&mesg_id=3650099

I'm not sure I wholly agree with that conclusion, but the DCCC's action certainly does lead one to think it has become a subsidiary of the centrist wing of the Dem party.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
86. I don't think the outrage is manufactured -
The DCCC really has no business 'sharing' resources (and why in 2008 - why not in 2004 when the former head of the DCCC Dick Gephardt was running for president?). However, they'll do what they want to do.

It is questionable that they are only sharing the information with Clinton, Edwards and Obama - what is the criteria to not offer to share resources with the other presidential candidates?

And why NOW? Why didn't the DCCC just share the email addresses instead of using their resources to send out the emails?

The entire mess just seems odd.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. I received the DCCC email too
And since I'm on every Democrat-in-the-World's e-list, including the DSCC and DNC, this was a surprise to me. It simply looked like the DCCC's pimping Hillary?

I'm also concerned if this is a new "service" of the DCCC, they would start with Bill Clinton's Birthday Message to Hillary?

Why not ask Bill to write an HONEST EMAIL to the DCCC list and ask us to support the 50-State-Strategy ? Better yet, have the DCCC just ask for the candidates e-lists to do a major SWARM of the online community?

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #75
110. Swapping lists is one thing
(not a very good thing in my view), sending an email like this one from a dccc.org address is entirely different. It looks, smells, and sounds like an endorsment. I would not have reacted the way I did had the mail originated from a Hillary address, except to wonder how they got hold of my address, not a big deal. The DCCC should not endorse, support, be partial to any candidate during the primary season. Period. Clinton is NOT the party nominee.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:53 PM
Response to Original message
92. Same dif. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:53 PM
Response to Original message
93. The DCCC has morphed into a political arm of the DLC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=160&topic_id=14207

The goal of the DCCC is no longer to elect Democrats, but to elect Big Business/AntiLABOR Democrats ONLY.
It is not a shocker that the DCCC will use Democratic Party resources to influence a Primary in favor of their candidate.



If you Work for a Living, never ever send a contribution to the DCCC or DSCC.
Your money will be used against you.

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
96. Some very gullible people in here
I'm not saying it's not true, but there's no way I'm going to believe merely because "someone on the Internets" said so
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Susan in Iowa Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #96
106. Believe what? I got that letter too. NT
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. Letter from Bill
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 06:41 PM by Ethelk2044
Happy Birthday‏
From: Bill Clinton ([email protected])
You may not know this sender. Mark as safe | Mark as unsafe
Sent: Fri 10/26/07 1:11 PM
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: Ethel
Dear Ethel,


In 36 years, Hillary and I have shared a lot of birthdays, and each year I'm amazed at everything she has accomplished. This is a very special year: we're celebrating Hillary's 60th, and I hope you'll join me in sending her a birthday message, sharing your wishes for her and your hopes for the coming year.

I'll make sure to share your message with Hillary. And please encourage your friends and family to send their messages as well.

You can see my birthday message to Hillary and add your own here:
Click here to sign the card

I know how happy Hillary will be to hear from you on her birthday. Thank you for helping me to make her day special.

Sincerely,

Bill Clinton





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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #108
117. Do you two really think you're anything more than "a stranger on the internet" to me?
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Susan in Iowa Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. It's a mass delusion.
We all got emails at the same time.

OR

We all got the idea to make up a story about getting the same email at the same time. Whatever.

The Hillary partisans are nothing if not loyal.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan, whose seat she occupies, said this: Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:20 AM
Response to Reply #118
122. He could have added....
that those who do not bother to find out about the facts should not be entitled to express opinions. But I guess he was a better and nicer person than I am :-).
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:57 PM
Response to Original message
98. Send all complaints to Howard Dean. >>>>>>
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1007/DCCC_launches_new_campaign_to_build_its_email_list.html


October 25, 2007

DCCC launches new campaign to build its e-mail list


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee will cast its net wide and far through the end of the year to build a bigger bank of online supporters - an increasingly essential element in political fundraising.

The campaign arm would like to add the names and e-mail addresses of 250,000 potential supporters over the next three months, according to a Democratic aide.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean started things off Wednesday by sending an e-mail to DCCC supporters encouraging them to join the DCCC's rapid response network, a community of devoted activists who send letters to local newspapers, organize outreach efforts and contribute money for ad campaigns and other mobilization drives.

Committee brass hope to incorporate other leading voices in the party, including the presidential candidates, to build its database of names and confact information and to access the candidates massive network of online supporters.

New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards all have large e-mail lists that other campaign committees covet for fundraising, volunteers and voter outreach.




Committee aides hope to recruit these online supporters for the rapid response network, send them online petitions, distribute campaign videos, conduct online policy and political briefs and get involved in grassroots strategy sessions, according to one aide.

In his e-mail, Dean encourages supporters to join the rapid response network and credits this outreach arm with helping the committee to launch television ads rebutting a large ad campaign by a White House-affiliated group to make the case that U.S. troops should remain in Iraq.



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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. I never got this email.....
:shrug: I mean, did he just piss off half the Dem supporters (considering Hillary's at 50 percent). My email just had the birthday card/paid for by the DCCC/approved by Hillary.

What was I too think?
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Susan in Iowa Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #98
105. Not to Howard Dean!! He is DNC, not DCCC
The DCCC is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, not to be confused with the Democratic National Committee or the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee or SDCC.

The DCCC are those wonderful people who brought you the Blue Dogs like Heath Schuler, whom Rahm Emmanuel went out and recruited, and who now votes with the GOP on issues like SCHIP. Rahm was the chair until Chris Van Hollen took over after the 2006 election.

In some cases Rahm recruited in the primary, as with recruiting Tammy Duckworth to move into the district where Christine Cegelis ran a great race against Henry Hyde in 2004, with no money and grassroots organizing. He rewarded Christine by financing Duckworth, then spent three million dollars helping Tammy Duckworth lose in the general. Over in Iowa-4, one state away, another great candidate, Selden Spencer, running a great race with no money did not get $1 from them. Rahm also spent money trying to defeat Jerry McNerney in the primary and failed. McNerney went on to beat dirty Richard Pombo, now former chairman of the environment committee, and most anti-environment former member of congress ever.

I tell the DCCC callers that I will never give them a contribution again, ever. I give directly to candidates. Period.

Most recently, I gave to Joe Biden.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #98
115. Dean simply
encouraged people to join in DCCC's efforts. He has nothing to do with this, nothing that can be seen from the outside at least. Encouraging people to join in democratic efforts does not equal encouraging people to herd behind Hillary.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
100. To Celebrate her BD I donated again to Obama's Campaign.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 06:19 PM by Ethelk2044
:woohoo:

In her honor of course
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. Ha! I love that! I'm heading over to Biden's site now to do the same! nt
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #101
107. It will bring a smile to your face. Several of Obama Supporters have been doing it today
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #100
113. I did too! and committed so much a month as well to Barack Obama
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:47 PM
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114. Great Gift to Hillary
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:44 PM
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112. i never got one when it was Obama's birthday.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:34 AM
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120. DCCC's Billary lieutenant Rahm Emanuel is doing his loyal best, I see. n/t
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