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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:43 AM
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Howard Dean - Article in Newsweek
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 08:45 AM by EV_Ares
I am not a sophisticated writer but when I read articles such as Eleanor Cleft's here on Howard Dean, I do feel compelled to respond to the article in my own manner as best can but I appreciate your guys critique as some of you are so much better at it than I which can help me improve. So for those that care to give me the red marks as I used to get in school, have at it and I appreciate the help. Thanks.

Link to the article A Curiously Silent Screamer
Howard Dean has stayed oddly quiet lately while intraparty squabbling over the Democrats’ primary calendar escalates. What gives?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21271928/site/newsweek/page/0/

email to Clift:

"You say Howard Dean blew his campaign with a scream; “Remember how he was supposed to be the Democratic nominee in 2004, and he blew it with a scream?”

Howard Dean did not blow it with a scream, you the media actually created that scream & blew it for him. It has been shown several times how that clip which can be done was isolated by the media which completely transformed and made it more than it was. It was also shown with just a normal or the real version as it was done (not isolated out) and you could hardly hear it over the audience. This is simply more of the “corporate” media invoking itself into whatever it decides to invoke itself into instead of just reporting the news. However, as most of my friends do anymore, we do not rely on the US corporate news and media alone as we have other alternatives now where we can get the truth or news from Europe/internet, etc as it used to be done by Cronkite & the others who did not try to slant it and revise it to the way they wanted to present it.

Howard Dean may have had problems in his campaign other than the “scream” the media created but my point is I just wish the US media would only report the news instead of framing it the way they want it. I don’t hold up much hope for this however, with it now being corporate owned and the marching orders come down from the Ivory Tower of the CEO on what and how the news is to be done.

Thanks for taking the time if you have it to read this.

From a Newsweek subscriber."

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 08:52 AM
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1. Global corporate interest include foreign interest as well
Privatization of our government also means foreign control of it as well, its a BIG mess.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:00 AM
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2. Too polite by far
and it implies the media has a legitimate voice, please, please be nice. They are the avowed and evident enemy of democrats and democracy and utterly complicit in war crimes and in denial of duty , responsibility or journalistic ethics. They have moved seamlessly since 1999 to continue with this campaign on all fronts, escalating slander or primary interference in campaign time and silence on GOP scandals as much as possible(which thankfully the orgiastic perverts often enough make impossible given the infotainment predilections of the decadent news organizations themselves).

This is not a democratic election. That would imply people are actually given choices and representation, a fair vote and free and fair information. This "contest" or battle is between corporate anti-democratic forces and the one party fielding actual public servants inclined to democracy. Actually reversing and defeating the coup will take more than a "win". In this battle the MSM is obviously on the record not even sitting on the sidelines. It is against the Dems strategically, not by honest strong opinion but tactics of lying, false praise, editing, studied misrepresentation and simple exclusion of the possibility for the public to find truth in the media they depend on.

Often the GOp advice to their voters expecting a landslide was to tune out and stubbornly vote. Campaign over. The advice is more fairly appropriate to the public. Shut out the sources of opinions. Study the candidates and debates and go to the appearances. Because shutting out the poison is as sure to secure a relatively effortless victory as locking the establishment propaganda poisons in is for the GOP.

Dump the subscriptions. Tune out the stations and their Coke and Bush ads. Go on line for direct sources and open reporting. You can even pay less attention to so-called liberal pundits and make up your mind without fear of screwing up. It has to be better than the slop coming from on high and from the corporate networks.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 09:31 AM
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3. My letter to Ms. Clift:
Ms. Clift:

I admire your writing. I always have. On many subjects.
But you have missed the mark by a WIDE margin on your
recent article concerning Howard Dean and the Democratic
primary schedule.

Florida's schoolyard bully tactics are in TOTAL violation
of party rules. They want to be first, and they have made
it CLEAR from the get-go that they don't care about the
cost. They don't CARE if their delegates get seated.

I am ASHAMED to be from Michigan, who lamely decided to
piggyback onto Florida, I HUGELY suspect in some DEMENTED
DLC concocted scheme between our Governor, Jennifer Granholm (DLC)
and the (alleged) democratic frontrunner Clinton (DLC) who mysteriously
remains on the "butchered ballot" here in Michigan.

Michigan democrats are ANGRY. We want our candidates, NOT
an early primary.

Your conclusions are 180 degrees wrong.

The state chairs do not exist in a VACUUM, you know, they represent
the BASE of the democratic party. The people who get out the vote. The
people who the DLC believe to be irrelevant in this election. You may be
correct, of course. But you were DISASTROUSLY WRONG in 2000.

Why don't you contact the VOTERS? Why don't you interview
a member of a county committee?

Do you know anyone outside of the beltway?

Sorry for the snark, but REAL voters here in Michigan are hopping mad at our
Governor for the "closed primary" ploy, and WE ARE TALKING.

When Howard Dean steps down as Chairman of the DNC, it will be a sad
day for the democratic party. He works for true democratic principals. I am
sorry that he doesn't fellate as many corporate sponsors as his failed predecessor.
His only legacy will have been in creating a strong network of activists in FIFTY states
dedicated to electing democrats in all areas of government.

Oh, that and winning BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS in 2006.



Sincerely,
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:13 PM
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4. Great letter
Concise and full of good points. I couldn't think of a way to improve it.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:26 PM
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5. Her argument is not that "The Scream" stopped him
she says his campaign was already imploding before that happened. "Truth is, his candidacy had come apart long before he let loose on national television, but that wild and unscripted moment ensured his place in American political folklore."

He had placed Third in the primary and the scream was seen as he was addressing his supporters after the results had come in.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:45 PM
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6. Have you read her article? It's as pure a hit piece as I've
seen in sometime. Hats off to Clift. She brings up long discredited scream in the first sentence, uses words like cockamamie to describe him, criticizes him about things that are not remotely germane to the article's substance, says without backing it up that he's viewed as a left wing kook, and on and on.

Fuck Clift.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:33 PM
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8. Yep, she has terminal MSM.
When she interviewed Gore this year she asked him if he regretted listening to his advisers and not talking about the environment in Campaign 2000. Gore simply ignored the absurdity of the question and politely reminded her that he did prominently feature the environment in his campaign and the media didn't cover it. Unfazed, she went on to more mythologically based questions.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:57 PM
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7. Not sure what you are talking about; of course I read it which is what
I responded to.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:38 PM
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9. You don't have to win in Iowa to become President, you know.
Clinton didn't. In fact, most DON'T.

His candidacy had not "come apart" long before Iowa....

not in ANY sense.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:25 PM
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10. He was leading in Iowa
Feb 3, 2004 | After suffering double-digit losses in both the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, Howard Dean's presidential campaign is now on its heels.

Although it continues to raise money at a furious pace, Dean has spent most of the $41 million he raised in 2003. In a major shake-up, campaign manager Joe Trippi departed last week after Roy Neel, a shrewd and capable Al Gore loyalist, was hired as chief executive officer of a campaign that is suddenly unsure of itself. Consider that in a matter of less than 10 days, the message from the campaign's leadership went from Trippi snidely asking how Dean's competitors thought they could compete nationally with the Dean juggernaut in the seven primaries held on Feb. 3, to Neel's concession that Dean is unlikely to win any of those seven contests.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/02/03/trippi_neel/index.html
Trippi's final error -- and the one that Dean loyalists at the highest level of the campaign forgive the least -- was his decision to use negative television ads to revive Dean's plummeting fortunes in the final days before the Iowa caucuses. Those ads were intended to regain Dean's singular status by reminding voters that his three main Iowa opponents -- Kerry and fellow Sen. John Edwards, and Rep. Dick Gephardt -- all voted for the Iraq resolution.

But the ads backfired because they reinforced a growing impression that Dean had a surly temperament and was easily goaded (by Gephardt, especially) into the ugly campaigning that many voters disdain. Some inside the campaign were upset with Trippi and McMahon about the quality of the ads but have defended them and the firm's billing rate for placing them.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:54 PM
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11. He was not an approved candidate. Media looked for a way to take him down.
I listened to his scream on the youtube and it was not anything special.
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