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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:00 PM
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If We're Going to Dismantle Our Democracy ...
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:04 PM by NanceGreggs
... can we at least agree on the ground rules?
By Nancy Greggs

TO: Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
AND TO: The Honorable Senator Harry Reid:

As you are probably aware, WE the People are a tad confused about what has been going on in our government as of late. We were under the impression that there were checks and balances in place so as to avoid the president from exercising any power beyond that which is strictly set out by the Constitution.

The office of the president has always been considered to be accountable to We the People, and devoid of any right to thwart that accountability by way of declaring itself beyond the reach of the law, or above having to cooperate with any investigations into possible wrongdoing.

This has been our long-held understanding. And yet we now hear phrases like executive privilege being bandied about, while this administration literally thumbs its nose in response to legitimate and lawful demands to turn over documents, produce witnesses, or generally abide by laws set in place long before their tenure.

The Republicans in office have failed to speak up against this kind of dictatorial behavior and, by their silence, must be understood to have accepted that these are the new Rules in place for the conduct of the president, the vice president, and all administration members from now on.

In keeping with that situation, would it not be prudent for you, the Democratic leadership, to establish – on the record – that this is how we, as a nation, will proceed in future?

To put it bluntly, if you and the Republicans are going to steal our Constitutional rights, is it not wise to ensure that there will be, you’ll pardon the expression, honor amongst thieves as we go forward?

Might I humbly suggest that you raise this discussion in your respective houses, and get the Republicans on the record with respect to consenting to the following: Should the next (Democratic) president ignore the Constitution, there will be no dissent from the GOP ranks. Should the next (Democratic) president refuse to follow existing rules concerning the retention of documents and communications, there will be no outcry from the Republicans. Should the next president utilize government employees to further the Democratic political agenda, there will be no repercussions. Should the next (Democratic) president declare himself above the law in all matters without exception, the Republicans will accept such an edict without complaint.

The Republicans have remained silent while their own president did all of the above. Is it not fair and fitting that they be bound to the same silence when it one of ours is in office?

Please don’t misunderstand me. I do not want to be taken as approving of the fact that you and your GOP colleagues are arbitrarily changing the rules under which our government has traditionally operated. But by your declaration that impeachment is off the table and the Republican party’s failure to force the resignation of Bush and Cheney, you have both obviously taken it upon yourselves to alter the rules of the playing field.

In light of the agreement by way of silence which both parties seem to have fully accepted, I think it only reasonable that you take all steps to ensure that the new playing field you have decided to establish is a level one.

Of course, as far as We the People are concerned, the best way of proceeding would be to enforce the law as it now stands, and remove Bush and Cheney from office by whatever means necessary. However, neither party seems willing to do so.

We the People would prefer that our democratic process be followed as has always been done in the past. But apparently you have all made other arrangements as between yourselves – arrangements in which We the People have no say.

Therefore, the very least you can do – and I do mean the VERY least – is to firmly establish between the parties that law-breaking is now the right of every president, regardless of party affiliation, just so we’re sure we are all on the same page.

After all, if our so-called elected representatives are going to dispose of the Constitution, the rule of law, and two centuries of democracy, it should be a bipartisan effort.

Yours Most Truly,
Nancy Greggs

(US Citizen and one of the We-the-People crowd that BOTH parties have completely ignored)


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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:10 PM
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1. k&r! i'm almost inspired enough to take a couple paragraphs,
and send it to my republicon rep.

and i never bother sending her anything anymore.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:13 PM
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2. Please feel free to take whatever you think might be useful. n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:21 PM
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3. C'mon, Nance, keep your powder dry
someday we'll all be grateful for this mess of powder we've been hoarding up.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:21 PM
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4. Magnificent!!! n/t
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:27 PM
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5. Well said. And since the fish rots from the head down, all citizens
should also have the right to defy any laws they don't agree with.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:38 PM
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6. That should be a given, shouldn't it?
In fact, I think we should declare that the LAW right now.

Yeah, I know we don't have a Constitutional right to just declare a law on our own initiative -- but hey, we're not bound by the law anymore anyway - because WE just SAID SO.

God, who knew running a country was this damned easy.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:05 AM
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7. I am going to send a slightly modified version to the "Honorable" David Drier, my representative.
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 12:06 AM by Kablooie
I know it won't change a thing but I'll feel better.

Thanks Nance. This is just the sort of letter I was hoping to send someday.
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pdillett Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:34 AM
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9. Indeed, the precedents that are being set are more frightening..
Edited on Mon Jul-23-07 12:36 AM by pdillett
than the current situation, and that is saying something. I am sad to say I would be uncomfortable even with our chosen (Democratic) representatives given such unfettered power, let alone another Republican. We need to establish a goal this coming election year - The 60% Doctrine. It is clear we leave too much to chance with anything less than 60% of the vote in any contest, including the Presidential race. I know 60% is a landslide, but that needs to be our goal in every single seat that is contested in 2008. Our candidates and our message need to be overwhelming. Putting forth a 60% doctrine will force us to nominate candidates of distinction, instead of candidates who seek only to get by. Our current majority-without-portfolio Congress has shown we need to look at ourselves to take part of the blame for the continued erosion of our freedoms. We have elected too many people who have no idea what the Constitution means and why it is important.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:30 AM
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8. Of course they'll agree to this
anything else and they'd seem like , oh I don't know...hypocrites? And since they're all good god-fearin' christians, you know they'll do the honorable thing and hold any Democratic administration to the same high moral and ethical standards they've set for the past 6 years.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 07:55 PM
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15. They'll agree
because they own the vote counting mechanisms.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 12:52 AM
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10. K & R Yes, sometimes I wish they would just cut to the chase and start the roundups already
Yes, I know that's crazy, asking for the whrilwind (that's likely coming no matter what within the next 50 years).

I said sometimes.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:11 PM
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11. The new "I" word.
It doesn't seem all that long ago that "impeachment" was the "I" word. Somewhere along the line, it was replaced with "ignore". As in, "ignore" the Constitution, "ignore" the law, "ignore" the intent of those citizens who put our alleged representatives in office.

Well, Reid and Pelosi, I'll see your new "I" word and raise with another: "Inoperative" (as in, in need of replacement). In other words, if you won't play by the rules of the game you promised to abide by, we'll remember that betrayal and move you away from the game table at the next election cycle. At least try to remember that you are answerable to US, not to the person of George W. Bush who deems himself unanswerable to anyone at all.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 02:20 PM
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12. Excellent questions
I would love to hear their response.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 04:21 PM
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13. Mais
c'est magnifique! K&R.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:24 PM
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14. Ladies And Gentlemen: Our New Thomas Paine--Nance Greggs!
Take a bow Nance for your Common Sense!
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 08:48 PM
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16. Good job!!
My only hope is that the Democrats are waiting to get all their ducks lined up so that there will be no wiggle room, as has been the case thus far with these cretins, to escape justice. I hope they slam them so hard that all of their apologists will only be able to stutter. I hope the damage to their psyche is so strong that they will end up with post traumatic stress disorder when all is said and done. I hope their transgressions will be so blatantly transparent that Faux News will report on anything but the impeachment process when it occurs. I hope my head doesn't explode from the refusal to hold them to account before all of this happens.

I sent a modified version of the agreement to my Republican Congressman. Thanks for the format!



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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 09:23 PM
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17. Kick. The passiveness of the Democratic party has allowed this to happen.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:57 AM
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18. I often ask my Republicon friends
Would you be OK if President Hillary Clinton said the same thing? I've yeet to hear a good answer from any of them.

Kick, but unfortunately, too late to recommend.
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