Hillary leads in fourth nationwide post debate poll...Negatives dropping...Marist

[SaveElmer]

Hillary 35%
Obama 17%
Edwards 15%

Some interesting tidbits...

In addition, 60% of Hillary Clinton’s supporters in the primary say they are firmly committed to voting for her.

Democrats are looking for strong leadership in their nominee and someone who will bring about change. Democrats who support Hillary Clinton think she fits the bill. 34% of her supporters want a strong leader, and 21% want a candidate that will bring about change.

Backers of Barack Obama are most interested in a candidate that will be an agent of change.

Hillary Clinton’s position on the war in Iraq is also not hurting her among Democrats. Only 9% of Democrats say her position makes them less likely to vote for her, and 48% say it actually makes them more likely to support her.

41% of registered voters say they will definitely not consider voting for Hillary Clinton. Although still higher than her closest rivals, Obama and Edwards, the number of voters who feel this way has declined from 46% at the end of last year. 35% of voters say they will not consider supporting Barack Obama, and 35% feel similarly about John Edwards. A majority of voters will not consider voting for Al Gore.

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/13280435/detail.html

[Alamom]

1. You are too fast.....I just found that. Thanks for posting. eom

[AtomicKitten]

2. I like it.

Negatives decreasing for all the top contenders.

However, I'm at a loss for the bit about "majority of voters will not considering for Al Gore" since in some polling he does as well or better than the other contenders and since, of course, I like him.

No worries. A righteous GOP ass-kicking is in the cards for our future.

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[paulk]

12. will you vote for them in the general?

of course, I guess a definition of "war mongers" is in order...

I don't think any of the Dem candidates are war mongers.

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would you care to explain what a "war monger" is?

[skipos]

4. Wake me when her numbers are as good as Obama & Edwards'

I am glad to see that her weak numbers are improving, but she has a ways to go.

[Tellurian]

22. Skipos, you're making Hillary look good..;)

your posts always point to Hillary's negatives. People are telling me (your) negativity IS buoying her popularity.
Keep up the good work and Thanks!

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[SaveElmer]

31. Don't sleep too deeply...

Obama loses to both Guiliani and McCain in this poll...

[skipos]

33. Has there ever been a poll in recent weeks

that has Hillary beating Repub candidates by LARGER margins than BOTH Edwards and Obama? I have never seen one, though it very well may exist. If you have seen it, I'd like a link.

There are plenty of polls with Edwards outperforming Obama and HRC, and polls with Obama outperforming Edwards and HRC. 100% of the polls I have seen have either Edwards and/or Obama winning by larger margins than Hillary.

[elocs]

5. As an undecided, I can almost guarantee that this kind of post will have a candidate's picture

next to it. Good or bad, it's pretty predictable. Although I am undecided, I will most certainly vote for Senator Clinton in the general election in November of 2008.
I am sure there must be a favorite to win the Super Bowl next year, but I haven't lined up behind that choice yet since it is a little early.

[nevergiveup]

6. I think the important thing

will be how Hillary shows against the leading Republican contenders at the end of the year. My guess is that her numbers will hover around 45% and this will not be terribly convincing for Democrats who are hungering to win back the White House. She certainly will have my full support if she gets the nomination but I am leaning Obama today.

[Ethelk2044]

7. Obama all the Way

[MethuenProgressive]

8. Looks like the voters are tuning out Rove/RNC/FOX

The negatives for all Dems are falling!

[w4rma]

9. Are Obama's poll numbers flopping off a cliff? He's lost like 10% in a month.

And we Edwards' supporters must be extremely stubborn since his numbers haven't moved up or down in a very long time.

[Ethelk2044]

10. Nope

It was his first debate. It can be expected. He will do better in the end.

[w4rma]

Nope Obama's polling didn't drop? Or nope his numbers will get better after the 2nd, 3rd... debate?

I don't understand your answer.

[Ethelk2044]

16. They are not falling off Cliff

It was to be expected that his first debate would need to be improved upon. He will improve with next debate.

[w4rma]

18. Seems like a pretty quick and steep drop to me... (nt)

[jefferson_dem]

24. Let's not exaggerate the situation, eh. Hill's up slightly, others are down slightly.

Courtesy of mydd, here are the averages, based on public polls as of last night...

High-End Estimate
Date Clinton Obama Edwards Others / Unsure
May 08 35.2% 27.8% 16.3% 20.7%
May 04 34.0% 28.8% 17.8% 19.4%
Apr 30 33.5% 30.3% 18.0% 18.2%
Apr 27 35.2% 29.8% 18.0% 17.0%
Apr 24 35.7% 28.4% 17.6% 18.3%
Apr 20 35.7% 28.0% 17.2% 19.1%
Apr 16 37.0% 26.3% 17.0% 19.7%
Apr 13 37.0% 24.5% 17.0% 21.5%
Apr 10 37.8% 22.8% 17.3% 22.1%
Apr 06 37.7% 23.3% 17.0% 22.0%
Apr 02 37.3% 23.3% 17.2% 22.2%
Mar 30 36.6% 24.6% 16.8% 22.0%

Low-End Estimate
Date Clinton Obama Edwards Other / Unsure
May 08 33.2% 24.6% 14.6% 27.6%
May 04 33.0% 25.7% 16.5% 24.6%
Apr 30 34.2% 27.0% 16.7% 22.2%
Apr 27 34.4% 26.4% 16.3% 22.9%
Apr 24 34.3% 25.9% 16.0% 23.8%
Apr 20 34.0% 25.1% 15.0% 25.9%
Apr 16 33.9% 24.6% 15.1% 26.4%
Apr 13 34.9% 24.0% 15.7% 25.4%
Apr 10 35.8% 22.0% 15.5% 26.7%
Apr 06 35.4% 22.9% 15.4% 26.3%
Apr 02 35.4% 22.9% 15.4% 26.3%
Mar 30 34.8% 23.6% 15.3% 26.4%

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/8/13651/92248

[w4rma]

26. So Hillary rose by a point or two and Obama dropped by 7%-10%?

And Edwards supporters are stubborn at 15%.

[fooj]

11. Wow.

NATURE OF THE SAMPLE: 1,003 AMERICANS

It's settled then. Its all been decided. Now we can get REAL jobs, eh? I spend much too much time in front of this computer screen. Glad to hear Election 2008 is a done deal. What a relief.

[Ethelk2044]

13. lol

:rofl:

[flyarm]

14. i will top you..lol lol

:rofl: :rofl:

fly

ohhhh and one more for AL!!:rofl:

[SaveElmer]

15. Ahhh...the third step of denial...

1. Accuse the pollster of Republican leanings

2. Criticize the polling methods..

3. Deny the accuracy of polling in general...

[jefferson_dem]

21. I think it's clear that, based on these *snapshots*, she has inched up.

Why...we're not really sure.

Here's to hoping it's merely a blipitty bump... ;-).

[fooj]

40. I'm sick of this bullshit. Prove your assertions.

Show me where I accuse the pollster of Repub leanings! Well? Your constant projections are pathetic. Show me where I criticized the polling methods! Show me where I deny the accuracy of polling in general!

You are in attack mode 24/7. You create your own reality and impose it on everyone else. I'm not the one who posts results of every fucking poll known to man in support of a candidate. YOU DO THAT.

I don't appreciate baseless accusations. If you want to post threads in support of Hillary...that's your right and your choice. So be it.

It isn't up to you to define who I am and what I think.

Funny...the figure I posted as the sample size is DIRECTLY FROM YOUR OP! You supply the fucking information and then you manipulate its meaning and PROJECT my intentions. Give it a rest, will ya?

[SaveElmer]

51. Oh please...

Posting the sample size as a way of discrediting the poll...if you have any actual information that these polls are not as accurate as any other, or that polling methods used are discredited...post it.

And frankly, the post was satirical in nature, and a commentary on the stunning denial of any poll around here that shows Hillary in the lead, of which you provided a shining
example...

[troubleinwinter]

56. "Posting the sample size as a way of discrediting the poll"

YOUR words, not fooj's. YOU apparently feel the poll is less than credible, judging by your remarks.

I must agree with fooj, polls decide nothing.

[SaveElmer]

60. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3256598&mesg_id=3256742

Provide another interpretation for this post

[troubleinwinter]

61. I just did.

[madame defarge]

17. And who wants to bet they asked republicans...

Nothing against Hillary, but I'm pretty sure the republic party wants us to run her because they will smear & cream her with everything they've got. If it's Obama, they will come across as extremely racist if they smear too much. They'd much rather find ways to spin their sexism into Clinton crap throwing.

Just my $.02 worth.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Damn you nailed it Madame Defarge!

Obama would be a *viable* opponent within the General Election, HRC would NOT.

Thanks for taking a break from your knitting ;) to address this important issue. :hi:

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

20. Something tells me the repugs won't care about being

seen as racist. Maybe because so many are.

[Tellurian]

25. I predict the media will pamper Obama and let it be a three way blitz..

between the contenders themselves..Sure they'll hammer Hillary-- in the general, what else is new?
Hillary is well prepared, I can't say the same for Obama or his supporters. Too thin skinned!

[SaveElmer]

29. Oh yeah...and they will be like lambs with any other Democrat...

Just ask John Kerry...

[rinsd]

73. Yes because the GOP is totally afraid of being seen as racist

:eyes:

Did you miss Katrina?

Or perhaps the campaign against Harold Ford that portrayed him as coming for TN's white women?

[illinoisprogressive]

23. As a democratic woman, I can safely say I will never, ever give my vote to Hillary.

[Tellurian]

27. Even when she 's the nominee?

[SaveElmer]

30. Well if you are including the General election...

Then I submit at that time you will cease to be a Democrat...

[Forkboy]

36. There are worse fates in life.

Non-Democrats can still be good humans,which is far more important than being a good party member. :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

37. Didn't say otherwise...

But if you don't vote for the nominee of the party, you cannot really be considered a member of that party...

And I hope you aren't saying therefor that folks supporting that nominee are not good humans!

[Forkboy]

38. No,I didn't mean it that way at all.

Sorry for that implication.

[Nedsdag]

50. It's a matter of choice.

To be honest, one vote out of 100 million votes really doesn't matter. It's the other 10 to 15 million you have to worry about.

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[emilyg]

35. Shame on you

[wyldwolf]

42. doesn't surprise me you're a "d"emocrat. But "D"emocrats will vote for her

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[Forkboy]

75. So might some "D"umbasses.

[mtnsnake]

45. Wadda ya want, a medal? nt

[ShortnFiery]

46. Good for you! If forced, I will write in Kucinich but I will NOT ever vote for HRC. n/t

[calteacherguy]

28. Interesting that a majority will not consider voting for Gore.

I think Gore's fantastic, but I'm even more certain now he will not run.

[MasterDarkNinja]

39. Wow, I've got to admit I'm seeing her as more electable lately

I've been against Hillary getting the nomination because of how many people dislike her and would never vote for her, I've been feeling very pessimistic about our 08 chances for winning the whitehouse because of Hillary. Since the democratic debate (which I admit I didn't watch, but I have read all the analysis about it) I've been kind of starting to wonder if our alternates to Hillary are any good.

I like Edwards, but I worry that despite how the poll numbers say he's electable that he's just going too far to the left to win the nomination, to the point that it'll really hurt him in the general election, and then the story about his $400 dollar haircuts make me worry that another story like this could come up at a bad time in the general election.

I like Obama, but the more I learn about the guy, the more I'm starting to understand why some people say he's unelectable and inexperienced. It seems that he's making a lot of rookie mistakes over the last few months from what I read, and from what I read it sounded like Obama did the worst out of the top three (himself/Hillary/Edwards) at the debate.

Hillary I worry is just thought of as too much as a politician, doing whatever will satisfy the majority of the voters usually. On one of those sunday morning politicial shows a while ago (I think hardball) I recall someone mentioning her campaign seemed to be that of desperation with how she was reacting to stuff (said around when Bill Clinton was supposed to be coming out more to support Hillary because of her falling in the polls). But to hear she did great at the debate, and now that her negatives are falling, it just really makes me wonder if the alternates to Hillary (who stand a chance at winning the nomination) are any better.

[Silence Dogood]

41. I was supporting Obama but I'm having second thoughts same as you. nt

[tavalon]

43. We can still win even with Hillary

But it sure makes it much harder and when we're done, we're going to have a hawkish Dem in the White House. That's just too bad but better than the best Rethug candidate. I sure do wish Gore would get in and sweep her away.

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[OwnedByFerrets]

47. I know this has been said thousands of times...........

If you want to unite the republican party like never before, choose Hillary as our candidate. Unfortunately, I live in a very red area of the country, and everywhere I go, I see and hear the same thing......repugs hate Hillary, and are ambivalent about Obama. They would NOT rise together to defeat Obama as strongly as they would Hillary. I was asked the other day by a right-winger if I would vote for her. My response was "if she is our candidate, I most certainly will". The look of disgust on his face was palatable. When discussing Obama, however, to a person, they all can talk about him in reasonable tones and some would even vote for him. This is just from people I know, not national polls.

[wyldwolf]

48. ..and this has been asked a thousand times in response

Do you have any evidence to support this?

[OwnedByFerrets]

54. You mean other than me saying

that I heard it with my own ears? If that isnt evidence enough, then thank you for calling me a liar.:-)

[wyldwolf]

55. yes, other than anecdotal evidence based on your limited circle of existance

[OwnedByFerrets]

66. This is rediculous......just ignore the statements of my

personal experiences. We will both be more happy.

[wyldwolf]

70. that is what "acecdotal evidence" is.

[Forkboy]

76. Don't worry..When Wyldwolf talks about his anecdotal evidece from his Party meetings it's "truth".

Anyone else's experiences are "anecdotal".

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[wyldwolf]

52. "arrogant, haughty Hillary supporters"

Hey, let's make one thing perfectly clear. We're here to stay. We've endured all manner of slanderous statements and inuendo on DU for years in regards to the Clintons, centrists, the DLC, and damn near everything else that isn't "netroots approved and recommended."

Do you really think, for one moment, that we will not demonstrate how it isn't us "arrogant, haughty Hillary supporters" that is out of step with the Democratic party as whole but is, rather, you?

[Tellurian]

58. The old schoolyard bully tactic...

coupled at times with the cluster pileons!

Their unworkable plan; baffle them with steaming BS and they'll all go away.

In your dreams. I'm in it to WIN, too!

[SaveElmer]

67. You know what really drives them crazy....

Is that anyone here at DU would dare not support one of their "progressive" approved candidates. They don't see the irony in the fact that the 5-10% of us that think Hillary might be a good candidate drive them to apoplexy, yet the same type of posts in support of other candidates don't draw a peep out of them...

I guess when you expect the entire congregation to genuflect and two or three remain standing, they get noticed!!!

[Nedsdag]

53. Hillary still has problems.

Independents aren't thrilled with her. Her numbers with them aren't good. They still see her as calculating. Also, of all the poll numbers I see from her supporters and pollsters, I have yet to see a poll from a Red State and I don't mean in the primaries. I mean head to head with Giuliani or McCain in Florida, Ohio, and most of the South. I don't see her doing well in Arkansas at all.

[Tellurian]

57. If you were my friend, you wouldn't be posting such a nasty derogatory

message..So, I have to conclude, you're NOT my friend. Just another hate spewer with too much time on their hands writing such a lengthy post!

Don't forget, Hillary's IN IT TO WIN!

[SaveElmer]

68. When the polls are limited to only two of the canddiates...

Hillary's percentage increases...

Which means she is clearly the second choice of alot of Obama and Edwards supporters...

Only at DU could 35-40% in a nine person field be considered weak!!!

[rinsd]

71. You did a great disservice to Edwards and Obama supporters by assuming they are anti-Hillary

"This measly number, despite Hillary's tremendous name recognition and her extremely large financial resources."

A measly number in a 9 candidate race where 3 people are in the top tier with 2 of those people running close to even?

I would say its your first election but you've got the negative spin down pat.

[PurityOfEssence]

59. Never underestimate this woman

She's tough, smart and a masterful politician. Personally, I don't much care for her and don't trust her all that much, but I still have some respect for her and think she has an ethic or two tucked away somewhere.

It would also be delicious to see the reactionaries' heads explode like the Martians in "Mars Attacks" if Bill got back into the White House. Perhaps she should use a Slim Whitman recording for her campaign song...

[Tellurian]

63. You got that right..

Hillary is constantly under the microscope. The woman can't breathe without someone checking her pulse and respiration. If they can't find fault with her, they invent something, then write pages of utter nonsense to back their flummoxed imaginations. Theres no pleasing them, so why bother? I have all the confidence in the world in her capability as president. She won't back down from Republican attacks and always has the goods in her vest pocket to back her words.

Thats why I think Rahm is an invaluable team assert. You need an attack dog out front to attack them and let them answer your claims.

[Larkspur]

62. Nationwide polls mean dip for the primaries. Need state-by-state polls

And the campaign is still early. Sounds like people polled were low info voters and they don't always go to the polls, despite what they say.

[Tellurian]

65. When the state by state polls show Hillary ahead...the haters BOO anyway..

How do I know...we've been there and done that already! :hi:

[Forkboy]

77. Now THAT is true.

Even I have to admit that.Pretty sure just a week or so ago there was someone against Hillary that said just the opposite and wanted to see national polls.

Every side has moving goal posts.

Hooray for politics,huh? :crazy:

[wyldwolf]

69. here are some state poll for you - all within the last several days

Hillary Up 21 in California
May 8, 2007 | Pollster.com

A new SurveyUSA automated survey of likely primary voters in California (conducted 5/4 through 5/6) finds:... Among 667 Democrats, Sen. Hillary Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama (48% to 27%) in a statewide primary; former Sen. John Edwards trails at 15%.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_surveyusa_california_prim.php

Hillary Up 16 in New Hampshire
May 7, 2007 | WBZ TV

In a poll of 589 likely Democratic Primary voters, Clinton gets 40%, Obama follows with 24%, while John Edwards trails with 22%.

http://wbztv.com/racenh/local_story_127103629.html

Hillary Up 24 Points in NV
May 7, 2007 | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Nevada Democrats want Hillary Clinton to be their presidential nominee... Clinton would get 37 percent of the vote if a Democratic caucus were held today, holding a healthy lead over John Edwards (13 percent) and Barack Obama (12 percent), according to the poll.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/7358326.html

Hillary Up 17 Points in NJ
May 3, 2007 | Pollster.com

A new Strategic Vision (R) statewide survey of 800 likely voters in New Jersey (conducted 4/25 through 4/27) finds:... Among Democrats, Sen. Hillary Clinton (at 40%) leads Sen. Barack Obama (23%) and Sen. John Edwards (12%) in a statewide primary.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_strategic_vision_r_new_je.php

[rinsd]

72. Here's state by state polling, Hillary wins every state but 4

Obama leads IL, Edwards currently leads in IA & NC and Richardson leads in NM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_2008

She is currently in second place in those 4 states.

[oasis]

74. kick