Sen. Clinton To Speak Out On Imus Controversy At Rutgers

[Alamom]

http://www.wnbc.com/news/11741860/detail.html

Clinton To Speak Out On Imus Controversy At Rutgers

POSTED: 5:35 pm EDT April 12, 2007
UPDATED: 10:00 pm EDT April 12, 2007


NEW YORK -- New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is expected to tell Rutgers students what she thinks of the controversy surrounding Imus and the school's basketball team.NBC News has confirmed that Clinton will be giving a speech at Rutgers on Monday.

A campaign spokesman said, "The Eagleton Center for American Women and Politics had a standing invitation for her and we felt that it would be an appropriate time to discuss the role of women in society given all that is happening."

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Earlier this week, Clinton, who also has been on the receiving end of Imus' insults, launched an online petition drive to support the Rutgers players. She said Imus' comments "were nothing more than small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism.''
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Barack Obama has also weighed in, saying, "He didn't just cross the line, he fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.''
Two other Democratic White House candidates -- Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards and Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd -- also criticized the comments.




Of course this will be seen as a political move by many. For the the girls at Rutgers to have the only woman running for the President of the US to come and speak to them will be consoling and memorable. They already know they were publicly insulted, "emotionally" abused and assaulted.
When women are abused and assaulted in any manner, in ths case, verbal & emotional, they normally turn to other women for reassurance and comfort. This gesture by Senator Clinton will be very helpful for the girls and their parents. Most people know she has been an advocate for children and womens rights for over 30 years.

They deserve all the support they can get from women & men all over this country.

I believe they will get support from around the world.

Now, it's been posted that Sen. Clinton used this spectacle to take a cheap shot at Sen. Obama. I would assume the writer of this *piece and those who agreed may not know there has been an 11 year **feud of sorts with the Clintons and Don Imus. Sen. Clinton said she has never been on his show and never would. This decision was made by the Senator when she was the First Lady. This was known by most people long before Sen. Obama was running for President and long before he was a Senator.

Sen. Clinton has been in politics and public life a very long time. She has a long history with many people. Everything she says is not a barb directed at any of the other candidates.
( The daily spin is making me dizzy)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/sharpton-clinton-hypocr_b_45633.html

*There's a lot of hypocrisy going on with this Imus mudslinging. Hillary Clinton ">said yesterday of Imus, "I've never wanted to go on his show and I certainly don't ever intend to go on his show, and I felt that way before his latest outrageous, hateful, hurtful comments."

Hillary here is taking a cheap shot at Barack Obama, who has appeared on Imus though he says he wouldn't again.



** The Clintons & Imus

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A05E4DD1439F930A15750C0A960958260&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fI%2fImus%2c%20Don


Unexpectedly, the Clintons Are Skewered at a Dinner



By LAWRIE MIFFLIN
Published: March 23, 1996

When the Radio-Television Correspondents Association invited Don Imus, the WFAN radio morning man in New York, to be the after-dinner speaker at its annual gala on Thursday night in Washington, members knew how uninhibited his barbs could be. And how well informed; Mr. Imus is as well known for being obsessed with politics as for being a so-called shock jock.

But the correspondents apparently got more than they bargained for when Mr. Imus made fun of President Clinton -- with both the President and the First Lady sitting on the dais as he spoke.

The remarks were deemed so insulting that the association sent a letter of apology to the Clintons yesterday, and Michael D. McCurry, the President's press secretary, asked C-Span, the cable network that routinely rebroadcasts Washington events, to refrain from retransmitting this one.

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He also made insulting references to Speaker Newt Gingrich's lesbian half sister, Senator Bob Kerrey's "wooden leg," and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s hair transplant, and allusions to the marital problems of several television people in the room.




Check out the Freepcreeps take on this (entire story). ALERT! It's very ugly.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1816371/posts





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[Ethelk2044]

1. She may not appeared

but Her advisor did a couple of days ago. If she was so right about this one. One of her advisors would not have attended his show after the racist comments were made. She would have forced him not to or let him go from her campaign. She did neither. Therefore I only see this as a campaign move and not being sincere. Another ploy at trying to get votes.

[Alamom]

2. Which advisor was that? n/t

[bigdarryl]

3. James Carville.

[Alamom]

4. Carville is not an advisor to Senator Clinton. This has been debunked over & over.

http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/04/42_batter_up.html

Following up on netroots all star complaints about James Carville's position as a CNN 'analyst' considering his relationship with Hillary Clinton, TPM Cafe's Greg Sargent phoned CNN for comment and was referred to Carville himself.

From Carville: "I'm not an adviser to her campaign. I'm not being paid by her campaign...I don't get paid. I'm not an adviser. ... I'm not defined by my support of Hillary



Clinton."http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/03/carville_respon.php




Carville Responds To Liberal Blogosphere's On CNN

March 30, 2007 -- 06:48 PM EST
Okay, I just got off the phone with James Carville. We spoke at length about the case being made against him by the liberal blogosphere: That as a supporter of Hillary Clinton, he should be identified as such -- rather than being identified as an independent analyst -- when he talks about the Presidential race on CNN. Particularly when he smacks Hillary's chief rival, Barack Obama.

Just to catch you up, MyDD, DailyKos, and Atrios have all been hammering Carville and CNN over these comments Carville made about Obama. He said that Obama had been "less than impressive" during a recent appearance and needed to get "up to speed" on some issues. These bloggers all argued -- pretty persuasively -- that Carville should be identified as a Hillary supporter by CNN when he goes on the air and criticizes one of her chief rivals.

When I checked in with CNN about this, CNN opted to have Carville answer the complaints. It seemed that Carville saw at least a grain of merit in the case being made here. At one point, he said: "I think that I'm gonna be cognizant that if I criticize one of the Democratic candidates," then he might mention that "I'm gonna vote for Hillary." On the other hand, Carville also said that if he brought up his voting plans every time he said something critical of her rivals, it would make for "horrible TV."

"I'm not an adviser to her campaign," he said. "I'm not being paid by her campaign...I don't get paid. I'm not an adviser." Asked if he never advised the campaign in any way,
Carville said: "Do I ever consult? No. I have a lot of friends . I talk to them. But I have a lot of friends in the Obama campaign. And Edwards."

[AtomicKitten]

21. guess you ignored my prior debunking

That happens a lot at DU. I find the Goebbels-esque repetition of disinformation prevalent here at DU so reminiscent of the way the GOP Wrecking Machine does business.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3210248&mesg_id=3210974

[BlueManDude]

5. This controversy is like crack cocaine - no one can resist!!!

and they all end up the worse for it.

[lligrd]

7. Best Reply I Have Heard

Politicians should definitely stay out of this one if possible. If not, say as little as possible and turn the issue back to hate speech of all kinds and use Fox as the poster child of how not to behave.

[karynnj]

9. I agree , especially now

That makes the issue hate speech - of which there's a lot rather than Imus, who is off the air and certainly punished enough.

[William769]

8. No truer words spoken.

[lligrd]

6. Spare Me

I have had more than enough speaking out on Imus. Let's get to the real issue, people dying because of Bush.

[mtnsnake]

10. Yes the war is the #1 issue, but the Imus affair can be a catalyst to improving our standards

in this country. When it comes to racism and sexism, we still have some work ahead, and I'm glad that these issues are being brought back to the forefront. It's great that Obama, Hillary, and Edwards are following up on this like they are.

I do agree the war needs to be fixed first.

[lligrd]

12. Even If It Does Some Good In Those Respects I Still

have a problem with the way people are so nonchalant about hanging one person out to dry. Goes against all my instincts and leads me back to "first they came for....." Justice in our society is contingent on fairness and this has not been fair by any measure in my opinion.

[Nedsdag]

23. Yes!

Enough is enough!

I'm sick and tired of 24/7 Imus. He's gone! There are other things to talk about!

[mtnsnake]

11. Nice job Alamom!

Glad to recommend

[Tellurian]

13. It is fundamental for politicians to have interest in the Imus debacle..

It is they who are the legislators and have the power to revamp FCC Regulations.

Thanks for posting, Alamom. I did glean a bit of irony out of Huffpo's comment section:

"Imus almost daily referred to Hillary as "Satan" and that he would never have her on his show.

Perhaps all Hillary was expressing was not an attack on Obama, but simply that she would never go anywhere she wasn't welcome.

In any event, the Imus show is now closed to all, but the Hillary show continues."

[Ninja Jordan]

15. Yes, trying to score political points off this episode is fundamental

fundamentally stupid.

[Tellurian]

19. I'd consider your opinion valid...IF it made any sense..

are you having a bad hair day, ninja?

[Ninja Jordan]

14. She's a bigger POS than I thought.

[mtnsnake]

16. The Princess of Serenity is not big at all. I'd be surprised if she's more than 120 lbs.

She just looks a little bigger on TV.

[Tellurian]

17. Yep, Imus got canned and Hillary prevails...

sorry if it affects your sensibilities.

Last night in the capital city where I live, they were tearing down the street sign "IMUS WAY"..
and chucking it in the trash can where it belongs.

[mtnsnake]

24. Imagine what would happen here if Hillary had stuck up for Imus

Half of DU would've exploded into a massive pep rally to have her tarred and feathered!

Yet John Kerry pretty much sticks up for Imus with his "Well, he apologized, didn't he" line, and everything is peachy and rosy. How ironic!

[karynnj]

26. Honesty is a virtue - you might want to note Kerry said that after he condemned the remarks

He also spoke of Imus's comments on speaking with the team and making changes. Why you need to constantly trash Kerry in threads he's not in is beyond me. Posting this because Kerry's response was not widely covered.

I also think that you are NOT a Hillary supporter - posting over the top things like "Goddess of Peace" and "Goddess of Serenity" are thinly veiled invitations that lead others to trash her.

[mtnsnake]

27. I never posted that she was the "Goddess of Serenity"

It was the "Princess of Serenity". :smoke:

Why you need to constantly trash Kerry in threads he's not in is beyond me

If you think that's trashing, you really should consider growing a thicker skin, my friend.

I also think that you are NOT a Hillary supporter - posting over the top things like "Goddess of Peace" and "Goddess of Serenity" are thinly veiled invitations that lead others to trash her.

haha, people are always trying to put words into my mouth that don't exist, so what else is new. According to some, I'm the biggest Hillary shill on the planet. Now, according to you, I'm out to trash her by flattering her. Is that something you came up with on your own, or is it something you and your clique decided on collectively? Did you ever wonder if maybe some people don't constantly harp on everything quite as seriously as you do? Anyway, I'm just happy that no one sends me a bill for all these self-analyses I'm getting of myself here on DU. :)

[Tellurian]

28. Could you please post the formal statement Kerry made with Dodd regarding

the condemnation of Imus. It was mentioned in news reports but it seems to be non existent.

[mtnsnake]

61. homina-homina-homina

:dilemma:

[beachmom]

77. I only found the second half (not the first half, condemning his remarks):

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/04/imus-guest-list-whos-out-whos-in-whos-waffling.php

John Kerry, Democratic nuisance

No definitive decision, but "I am encouraged by his apology, the planned changes to his show and that he asked for an opportunity to meet with the team and apologize in person," the Senator says in an official statement to Radar.


He was listed as a "fence sitter" as to whether he would go on again. I may add that Deidre Imus's "Green cleaning" is in "This Moment on Earth".

I'm a Kerry supporter, but I think he should not have gone on that show. I only watched it when he came on, and I didn't hear anything offensive. I had no idea that Imus made racist or sexist remarks, but apparently he has in the past. So Kerry shouldn't have gone on the show. But, what's done is done.

Given Kerry's long record, I think in the scheme of things, this was a mild transgression. And since there were "good" sides to Imus, especially helping wounded Iraq veterans, this is probably why the "bad Imus" was overlooked.

So with the intellectual honesty put out for all to see, perhaps you can put Kerry to rest in this thread. Thanks.

[cadmium]

71. There has to be a reason. It doesnt do Hillary any good to

defend her by attacking Kerry. It only pushes Kerry supporters further away from her. The interesting thing is that some Kerry supporters are still up for grabs for a Dem to woo. Maybe throwing in the digs vs Kerry is a sideways attempt to hurt Hillary. There have been stranger manipulations.

[politicasista]

97. Exactly n/t

[AtomicKitten]

22. wow

One would think backing and honoring the fine young women at Rutgers would be applauded.

Your unreasonable, scorched earth prejudice is showing.

[John Q. Citizen]

29. It shows tremendous courage for her to stand up in front of those students and say that

Imus shouldn't have saud that, right?

Sorry, I'm just a tad cynical.

[AtomicKitten]

56. cynical?

Nah, you're just taking yet another opportunity to slam a candidate you already despise.

No point trying to rationalize that kind of nastiness as anything other than the pettiness it is.

[John Q. Citizen]

60. Actually I like her. I don't like some of her politics and I don't like a lot of her close

close advisers over the years.

If you considered what I said a slam, nastiness, pettiness, then I don't know what to say.

I'm mean, it's just as great that Clinton is talking to the Rutgers class, as it is that Richardson is speaking to the greater Detroit Lions Club, or that Kucinich is meeting with the Portland League of Women voters, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I'll end this with Gore 08! since I know we can both agree on that!

(Edited to add...)- My opinion on the OP is closest to the crack cocaine post.

Post #14 is truley bashing slamming nastiness. Mine was kind of muted resignation.

[AtomicKitten]

67. okay - let's agree on petty

Here's the deal. I had an epiphany while listening to Air America while driving in my car today. I have been hanging onto a grudge against Edwards because he co-sponsored the Iraq war, but I have also made it a point to stay off Edwards threads because I haven't had anything nice to say; you know the saying about if you have nothing nice to say yada yada. Anyway, I heard a speech by Edwards on Air America and have to admit it was really, really good. Just shows to go ya, right? Free your mind and you ass will follow.

I realize expecting the primary banter here at DU to be reasonable is expecting monkeys to fly out of my butt, but still if people could make an effort to cut back on the snark this place might rise above the current level of nastiness. Jeez somebody is here actually going after Gore like gangbusters already and he isn't even in the race. Yikes.

Have a great weekend, Mr. Citizen.

[NormanYorkstein]

103. recognizing reality is by definition slamming candidates

when referring to Democratic candidates. Saying a Democrat is taking political advantage of a situation is freeper-talk candidate bashing that belongs on FreeRepublic.

Saying a Republican is taking political advantage of a situation is an incredibly intelligent and fascinating point that belongs right here.

That's called partisanship and it's good politics.

[John Q. Citizen]

104. Only if you want to drive reasonable people into the "don't vote' catagory

or into third parties.

Which may in fact be an added benefit of denying reality.

[NormanYorkstein]

105. I don't make the rules I just follow them

:shrug:

[John Q. Citizen]

107. i hear you but watch it. You might be a round about basher with those radical ideas of

yours. ;-)

[Ninja Jordan]

31. Political opportunism should never be applauded.

Hillary jumped the shark with this one.

[Tellurian]

45. And I bet you'll just have to start another thread thats based on a bogus OP..

[AtomicKitten]

54. no, you jumped the shark

just like you do every time Hillary even breathes

don't try to rationalize your nastiness towards her -- nobody's buying it

[Bucky]

94. As a frequent (almost constant) critic of Sen Clinton, I gotta say you're wrong.

She's trying to be leader of the country. I don't particularly want to see her in that role. But to say she's a POS for actually offering leadership on this issue is mindbogglingly stupid. Is this move calculated? Well, hell, she and all her opponents are politicians. It's all calculated. But the fact is that as the frontrunner for the nomination, Clinton not only has a right, she has an obligation to address an issue like this. The only mistake here would be for her not to address the matter at all.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. I vaguely remember Imus reaming her and Bill at the annual media

roast. It made Colbert look like a Bush supporter. And, I believe he calls her a "ho" routinely. Besides that, she is a strong, intelligent, roll-model for these up-and-comers. I think it is awesome that she has embraced them.

[ecstatic]

20. I support & applaud her visit. It boggles the mind how people manage to tie

two completely unrelated events/comments/people together just to keep imaginary feuds going (re: the accusation of Hillary taking a shot at Obama).

[Ishoutandscream2]

25. I seem to think that Senator Clinton has the right to speak to this

She has been trashed by Imus repeatedly in the past. I know she'll speak in a diplomatic type of way, but she has every right to trash that bastard right back.

[Tellurian]

32. Yep, The Big Dog was just on tv

Inside Edition carried a short clip of President Clinton giving a speech at a Methodist Church. He mentioned Imus as an individual to be pitied because of the hurt he must be carrying inside, to feel the need of making such cruel statements against a girls intercollegiate basketball team. He also mentioned, he hopes, all the black churches throughout the country will be praying for Imus to rid him of his pain.

[Dr Fate]

40. That is another reason why I support this (and it pains me to support Hill!)

I am ALWAYS for ANY Democrat who feels the need to take on the media- especially when it involves payback.

I'm no Hill fan, but this is all fine by me.

[AtomicKitten]

59. I really like it

... when DU'ers can see the forest for the trees and don't exploit
every opportunity available to gratuitously trash a candidate they don't support.

Cheers to you, Dr. Fate. :toast:

[wisteria]

30. Another opportunist. She needs to let it drop. Ug! n/t

[Tellurian]

33. Hey, wisteria...see if you can produce

the formal statement made by Kerry and Dodd on this Imus thing. Is it True Kerry is supporting Imus?

[mtnsnake]

34. "Is it True Kerry is supporting Imus?"

That would depend on which month it is, which way the wind is blowing, and if there's no wind then which way his pet turtle is pointing.

[PresidentObama]

35. You know yesterday you were saying you like Kerry, and don't attack him.

Please eat your words with some humble pie!!

And who cares if Kerry is friends with Imus? Is this supposed to make me feel one way or another about the Senator?

[Tellurian]

36. It means something to me..

His supporters have put him high on the Pedestal of PURITY and HONOR...

I want to know what Senator Kerry's values are...a shock jock's job or 8 college girls cruelly maligned by Imus for no reason at all?

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tellurian]

42. This is a very big issue..

Senator Kerry is a friend of Don and Deirdre Imus.

Of course he disagrees with the statement Don Imus made, we all know that. I don't think John Kerry should abandon that friendship for one stupid racist and sexist comment. And if you expect that, too damn bad!! Senator Kerry's values will not be challenged when he disagrees with Imus statement, but he's not going to drop a friend because it's politically wise in all this outrage over Imus being the fall guy for all the racism and sexism on television and radio. And I would suggest to anyone with all this outrage about Imus, why aren't you boycotting shows like MadTv and the World Wrestling Entertainment? Both of which that have shows on network television (WWE on the CW Network and MadTV on FOX) that use racism and sexism regularly, and target it towards children. You want to attack Kerry because he didn't abandon his friend because the media was making him the fall guy? Go right ahead!! Wouldn't be the first time you've attacked Senator Kerry. Will not be the last.

and it's going to get bigger. And let me tell you something Buster, if Kerry thinks supporting a friend over 8 innocent girls who won't forget he wasn't there for them when it's election time, you've got anther thing coming. Senator Kerry may be getting just too comfortable in his taken for granted senatorial position. There are many blacks in MA...I hope to Hell they come out against him at reelection time...and allow him all the bonding time he needs with his friend Don Imus!

[mtnsnake]

43. Lots of big issues for sure

the war et al.........
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[PresidentObama]

46. Are you advocating MA should over throw Kerry because he's FRIENDS with DON IMUS?

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Until I see you picketing and boycotting these other shows like MadTV that use racism and sexism every week and target it to children, you and the rest of America is using Imus as a fall guy for the apparent racism and sexism problem on television. And don't you be pointing fingers at Senator Kerry. He doesn't have these girls plastered on his website, or Don Imus, he isn't using this for political gain.

[Tellurian]

47. Nice try in twisting words..

Here's what I said:

This is a big issue:

and it's going to get bigger. And let me tell you something Buster, if Kerry thinks supporting a friend over 8 innocent girls who won't forget he wasn't there for them when it's election time, you've got anther thing coming. Senator Kerry may be getting just too comfortable in his taken for granted senatorial position. There are many blacks in MA...I hope to Hell they come out against him at reelection time...and allow him all the bonding time he needs with his friend Don Imus!

If you think for a moment Senator Kerry is immune to backlash...you've got another thing coming.

I'll tell you, what my Father always said: THE BIGGER THEY ARE THEY HARDER THEY FALL! Just ask Imus!

[PresidentObama]

48. Senator Kerry won't get any backlash, because he didn't do anything wrong.

If he did something wrong, he'd apologize. You know? Like he did on the IWR vote. As much as I love Hillary, I'm still waiting for her apology and for her to admit she was wrong. Kerry doesn't have anything to do with the Imus situation. John Kerry knows Imus was wrong in what he said. Kerry knows a thing or two about botched jokes and lame comedy bits gone wrong.

Backlash huh? Bigger they are the harder they fall?

Hypocrisy at it's finest!! Hillary isn't void of backlash either, my friend.

[Tellurian]

50. The thing is Hillary is way smarter than John Kerry..

and her supporters put his to shame.

[PresidentObama]

51. What a mature response. My idol is way smarter than yours.

Grow up.

[Tellurian]

52. Idol? What are you smoking?

I'm beginning to think, you're a legend in your own mind !..

Hillary isn't my idol. The next President of these United States...you better get used to it!

[PresidentObama]

55. Maybe so, but I never said I had a problem with that.

If she is the nominee, I hope she fights tooth and nail so the Republicans don't steal the election again like they did with Gore and Kerry.

[Tellurian]

62. This- in spite of the

Kerry bots turning Hillary bashing into a Cottage Industry!

[PresidentObama]

64. Because I'm a Kerry supporter doesn't mean I hang out with the 'click'

of Kerry supporters here at DU. I thoroughly like Senator Clinton. She clearly isn't my first choice, but neither is Senator Obama and I love him as well.

[beachmom]

80. Sigh. This is going to be a looooong year. Earth to Tellurian --

John Kerry is not running for president. I'm assuming you have just lost it, and actually DO want him to remain in the Senate so that we can retain our majority.

[Tellurian]

95. I could care less..Kerry is a public servant..So, who does he serve? Imus or 8maligned college girls

See post #36 for a refresher..

[beachmom]

79. So, on a DEMOCRATIC site, you are for defeating a Democrat

in Massachusetts? Glad I have that straight.

Kerry condemned Imus's remarks, so there was no "supporting a friend over 8 innocent girls" happening. That is utter baloney.

[Tellurian]

96. They don't have Democratic Primarys in MA?

Please show me where and how he condemned Imus's statemnt..All he said was, "He apologized"...Is that what you call condemning?

And he's listed on Radar as a "FENCE SITTER"! How does that wash with condemnation of Imus?

Kerry's initial statement said he issued a formal statement with Sen Dodd regarding the Imus incident.

No one has seen anything of the kind...So does a statement exist or is he just placating the public with nonsense and there never was a formal statement made with Sen Dodd.

[mtnsnake]

37. Kerry, get it right or don't bother posting it at all. You botched another one, I see

You know yesterday you were saying you like Kerry, and don't attack him.

Someone asked me, "Why the need to constantly attack him?" to which I replied:

I don't constantly attack Kerry.

I not only agree with him on the environment, I appreciate him.

As to the second part of your sentence, I don't constantly attack Kerry. I like Kerry. What you have perceived as "attacks" by me is usually nothing more than me criticizing Kerry as a campaigner. I have often said Kerry is an excellent Senator, a good man, and a war hero, but I have also voiced my opinion that I think he sucked as a campaigner...not as a candidate, not as a person, but as a campaigner. Whenever I have gotten on Kerry for his lack of prowess as a campaigner, it seems that it's too much for many of the Kerryites to handle. Thus, in turn, I get painted as a Kerry "attacker" by my friends from the local Kerryite clan around here.

I love how you tried to make me look foolish by omitting the word "constantly". Nice try but better luck next time.

Sorry, no humble pie today, Senator.

[PresidentObama]

41. "Thus, in turn, I get painted as a Kerry "attacker" "

You wonder why?

:eyes:

[beachmom]

82. I thought your only problem with Kerry was how he ran his campaign.

Now I see you're impugning his character and venturing in to right wing territory. In fact, Republican Sen. Allard of Colorado went onto the Senate floor and said about the same thing last year (which way the wind blows), and Kerry returned to the floor a half hour later and said his "character had been impugned" and it was a clear violation of Senate rules. I realize DU is less civil than the Senate, but I am really shocked you would go this far just because you didn't like what ONE Kerry supporter said.

[mtnsnake]

98. Oh the drama

Hey, there's always a few exceptions, bm. I never claimed to be perfect.

Now I see you're impugning his character and venturing in to right wing territory.

Wow. Me saying..."That would depend on which month it is, which way the wind is blowing, and if there's no wind then which way his pet turtle is pointing"...is impugning his character like a RWer would? Yikes, you might want to consider joining the "need to grow some thicker skin" clinic, along with a few other of the overly sensitive Kerryites around here lately. :)

Hey, I do admire your devotion and loyalty for Kerry, though, so I don't really mind you beaching at me about it.

:hi:

[JI7]

106. Kerry never made a racist joke like Hillary did

[mtnsnake]

110. Hillary would never want John McCain to be her VP running mate like Kerry did

Yeah, I know. My post is just as irrelevant to the subject at hand as yours is.

[Dr Fate]

38. I dont like team DLC/Hillary much- But I think this is just fine.

Lots of things to take on Hillary over- probably not this though.

Let her speak- let's hear her out.

[ChiciB1]

44. Ummmm... I'm "Thinking" Of Some Sort Of Soprano -Like Reply!

Like Maybe... Fugeddaboudid!! Sorry, that was crass, but I DID say it!

[bigdarryl]

49. One word

PANDERING!!!!!!!!

[AtomicKitten]

57. it aways is

... when it involves a candidate you aren't supporting.

funny how that works

are people that handicapped by tunnel-vision that they can't see that?
rhetorical question

[Forkboy]

69. I got news for ya...If DK did this I'd be saying "Panderer" too.

:shrug:

No tunnel vision here at all.

You?

[AtomicKitten]

72. self-delete

[Forkboy]

83. I bet this reply was more fun the one you actually posted.

[AtomicKitten]

86. actually it was a computer tweak -- a double post

even your imagination is snarky towards me as manifested
by your lack of response to my actual post

gotta get those snarky digs in whenever you can, right? :thumbsdown:

[Forkboy]

88. Oh lighten up..it was a joke.

You have your fair share of snark on this board.Remove that log from your own eye....

[AtomicKitten]

89. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiighttttt

Some self-reflection is in order, dude, when you start offering "it's a joke" as an excuse for your mean-spirited snark.

:puke:

[Forkboy]

92. Oh well..it was.

You do realize that you don't exactly come across as a teddy bear here on DU,right? That would be more hypocrisy from you,oh Benevolent Spreader of Internet Peace and Love. :eyes:

Some self-reflection is definitely in order.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

93. my condolences on your relapse n/t

[Forkboy]

91. gotta get those snarky digs in whenever you can, right?

Wouldn't that be snarky as well?

[AtomicKitten]

74. and I've got some news for you ....

I wouldn't use that term because it would be presumptuous of me to do so.

It is just too damn easy to lob the term "panderer" during an election, and most folks aren't discerning enough to refrain from stooping to that cheap shot in referring to particularly a candidate they dislike. If you are truly above it, kudos to you.

I prefer not making an accusation based on something I have no real knowledge about. But that's me.

[mtnsnake]

58. What would you suggest she do? Cater to the RW and keep her mouth shut?

You'd love it if she kept her mouth shut, wouldn't you?

Anyone else could talk to the ladies at Rutgers as long as it's not a woman, especially a brilliant woman like Hillary, right?

[mbee]

65. Not at all I just think everyone should be held to the same

standards. Just wonder why they haven't driven Limbaugh or P Robinson off the air, but Imus is different. I just think that the elite have to pit people against each other racially or otherwise so we won't ban together and eliminate the Corporate state we live under, that's all!

[mbee]

53. The candidate I will back will speak out against

classism which we are all victims of. She won't do that because at the end of the day she wants to party with all the movie moguls and corporate people! The corporations run her and every other candidate. I guess I've just lost all hope after seeing what has gone on since 2000.

[Tellurian]

63. Well then, look no further than right here:

http://www.wnbc.com/news/11741860/detail.html

[Ethelk2044]

66. How Can She Give Speech On Imus Controversy?

Hillary Clinton gave a fundraiser on March 31st with rapper/producer Timbaland, who sings the song "Too Many Ho's". She is trying to use this Imus controversy. If she truly believes the word "Ho" is inappropriate, she would have not had him at her fundraiser rapping. But in true Clinton fashion, the two faced hypocrisy machine is in full gear.

[AtomicKitten]

68. nice try

Although a discussion regarding the use "ho" in rappers' lyrics is certainly worthy of debate, your efforts to demean what Hillary is doing are gratuitous and unreasonable.

Lose some of the hate.

[Ninja Jordan]

73. It's actually a great point

but whatever

[AtomicKitten]

76. what it is is gratuitous snark

Hillary speaking to the women at Rutgers is appropriate, particularly because she is a woman, and backs up and honors the women there that endured the indignity of rude, racists, misogynist comments from Imus.

The fact that you despise Hillary is as irrelevant as your nonstop nastiness towards her.

[Forkboy]

84. It is a good point...so we agree on two things now.

[AtomicKitten]

87. Alert the media!

Two HRC-haters agree on anti-HRC snark.

Here's a genuine discussion about Imus and rap/hip-hop which has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton visiting the women at Rutgers, so it probably is of no interest to you and your new pal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3215341

[Name removed]

90. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AtomicKitten]

78. to be specific

The lyrical use of "ho" by rappers is cultural, most certainly not racial and not perceived as misogynist within that culture, although the latter is most certainly debatable in my opinion.

However, to compare that which is most certainly artistic expression by rappers to the crap spewed by Imus over the years is a convenient vehicle used here to denigrate Hillary.

All aboard.

[Forkboy]

70. I was really hoping she could avoid the temptation

Pretty sad....I hope the others don't follow suit.

[Ninja Jordan]

75. We agree on something for once.

[Colobo]

81. They won't... if they have any shame, that is...

[Forkboy]

85. I was afraid of that.

:)

[JI7]

99. she might want to discuss her Gandhi joke also

[IndianaGreen]

100. "I am a woman, I feel your pain better than a man can."

At least that's how I think is the hypothetical theme of Hillary's speech at Rutgers.

Hillary may "feel the pain" of the Rutgers women's basketball team, but she sure doesn't feel any of the pain that the war she supported in Iraq has brought to Iraqis and Americans alike. I don't see Hillary throwing her support behind the Feingold/Reid resolution to get all of our troops out by March next year.

[snowbear]

101. I haven't followed the "Hillary visits Rutger's" story ...

But from reading about two of the threads here (yours was one of the two Indiana.. )

...I'd say that if she decided to go and talk to the team without her campaign issuing a press release and without advertising it at all, I say kudos to her!! Nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand.. if her campaign made her visit well known to the public..

Boy.. I dunno.

Hopefully she didn't intend for the media to know about it and it was something personal for her to do.

Like I said though.. other than stopping into DU this morning and then again this evening, I haven't followed the news in a couple of days..

After tonight, I won't be able to drop in again for 6 or 7 days, so if you think I'm lost now.. you ain't seen nutt'n yet!

[IndianaGreen]

102. I had hoped that the debate would have shifted from Imus to the way girls and women are portrayed

by the popular culture, e.g., music, magazines, TV shows, movies, etc. How are Imus's remarks different from other hateful language one hears from the likes of Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and others?

If disrespecting the dignity of a person on account of race and gender is to be condemned, wouldn't it be hypocritical to remain silent when the dignity of a person is disrespected on account of their sexual orientation?

Isn't it the height of hypocrisy to have a racist like Al Sharpton act as the judge, jury, and executioner on the Imus matter? Sharpton's role in Tawana Brawley case, and Jesse Jackson's role in the Duke "rape" case, should raise eyebrows when the two of them fall over themselves to get their faces on TV to condemn Imus. Rather than condemn Imus, they should be condemning CBS for keeping that racist on the air for as long as they have.

[Tellurian]

109. Talk to your "idol", John Kerry..

He is supporting Imus.

[fujiyama]

108. Not a bad move on her part

I think this will be good press for her among female Democratic primary voters...She needs to hold on them, consider Obama is giving her stiff competition among blacks and younger voters in general.