Hillary sets up an online petition opposing a Bush veto of the Iraq bill

[mtnsnake]

The American people have had enough of the president's failed strategy in Iraq. Join Hillary in telling him to listen to the will of the people and to Congress, withdraw his veto threat, and begin phased deployment of the troops out of Iraq.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/iraq/?sc=8

[mnhtnbb]

1. Hillary jumps on the bandwagon. All us lefties were signing petitions

to get Congress to withhold funding weeks ago (and Edwards was among the first
with a petition).

[mtnsnake]

3. Then jump for joy instead of whining about her like always. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. Maybe Rupert Murdock thought it would be good strategy

after all, he did hold a fund raiser for Hillary.

Soon Iraq's law will be changed to let the big oil companies take
over, and then Bushies interest in the war will dwindle.

Hillary will keep military in Iraq for ever.

[ccpup]

2. (sigh)

damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. there are some people she just can't please.

[LostinVA]

4. My feelings exactly

[mnhtnbb]

5. Yeah, I'd like her to have an original thought.

[mtnsnake]

8. Go piss and moan on the Green Underground about it.

Or if they don't welcome you with open arms, Whiners Underground will love to have you join them (snicker)

[mnhtnbb]

12. I knew I'd get flamed for saying it.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Yaaawwwwnnn!

Same shit, different day.

[mtnsnake]

6. You meant to reply to poster #1, right?

[mnhtnbb]

9. I meant I wish she'd do something from principle for once, instead of

designed to be politically advantageous to her.

[mtnsnake]

16. I posted that to ccpup, not to you.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. she wants to keep a military presence in Iraq n/t

[mtnsnake]

13. She stated she'll end the war upon taking oath if she's elected.

You're not going to hear another candidate say they'll take every troop out of Iraq immediately, with the possibly exception of Kucinich.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. Oh that Hillary.

Always saying stuff.

[ddeclue]

44. WRONG! Edwards says that all the time

As for Hillary, it all depends on which day, which city, and which audience she's speaking to.

Never the same story twice from Hillary Clinton!

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[mtnsnake]

55. Yeah, if you're listening to a broken record maybe. nt

[ProSense]

11. “If President Bush does not extricate us, then I will.”

“It’s a sectarian war and we have no business being in the middle of it,” Clinton said about the Iraq war. “If President Bush does not extricate us, then I will.”

Clinton said she’s posted a petition on her Web site, www.hillaryclinton.com,
that Americans can sign to ask the president not to veto legislation that provides supplemental funding for the Iraq war while also setting a timeline for pull-out.

Instead of vetoing the legislation, has Bush has said he will do, the president should sit down with Democrats and Republicans and come up with a compromise, Clinton said.

“Historically, there has been some negotiation,” she said. “That should happen here.”

more

HuffPo post by Peter Dauo

[HockeyMom]

15. At the risk of getting swamped with emails from her, again,

I signed it and sent to several people.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Standing by for the same Hillary bashing shit.

[mtnsnake]

22. No kidding. If Edwards did the same thing DU would erupt into spontaneous orgasm!

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Or Obama.

We're also supposed to attack Hillary for raising so much money. But when Obama raised almost as much as she did ...... well. Ya know. That's OK.

[laugle]

31. Amen to that hypocracy!!

[mnhtnbb]

28. Actually, Edwards had a petition to get Congress to tie funding to withdrawal from Iraq

when Hillary still had her finger in the wind. And he laid out his position in February.

http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/2/14/112343/492

As I recall, there wasn't much enthusiasm from DU--at least not compared to
the size of his house.

[AJH032]

56. exactly

nt

[Tellurian]

18. The point is.. it's about ending the War, not Hillary!

every little bit helps!

Her site must be jamming. Couldn't get through!

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Took me a couple of attempts too.

G'on Hill-rey!

[Forkboy]

21. Better than nothing.

[mtnsnake]

24. Damn right Forky. The 1 person promising to end the war is taking action.

I wish my man Obama would take some positive action like this. Damn, he's been quiet. We need all our Dems getting involved with concrete steps like this that get the people involved. Kerry tried doing something like this, too, a while back.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Obama is your man? With friends like you...

Yeah, what has Obama been doing other than write and sponsor a bill in January that would have our asses out of Iraq by next March 31, a bill which is serving as the model for Reid-Feingold. Meantime, the Triangulator puts petition candy out on the one hand and drafts the most hawkish, costly and ill-advised plan for Iraq of all our candidates. From the current TNR:

<Michael Crowley has done a superb job explaining why Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war resolution in October 2002, but he didn't dwell at length on her current views about Iraq. These views, recently expressed in a New York Times interview, reveal an approach to Iraq that is entirely consistent with Crowley's analysis of her October 2002 vote. In spite of her support this month for a Senate resolution mandating withdrawal, Clinton is still a hawk on Iraq--and, in my opinion, is still flying blind.>

<...As she recounts in her interview, her solution to Iraq rests partly on a "very vigorous diplomatic effort on the political front and on the regional and international front." This would include "a track with Syria and a track with Iran." But the main part of the strategy would be its military dimension. While Clinton does not favor having U.S troops intervene in an Iraqi civil war, she would retain a significant force in Iraq. This force would try to "contain the extremists," "help the Kurds manage their various problems in the north," "provide logistical support, air support, training support" to the Iraqi government, and try "to prevent Iran from crossing the border and having too much influence inside of Iraq."

Clinton's idea of a residual occupying force goes well beyond that of the recent Senate resolution. The resolution provides for a "limited number" of troops after the pullout date, which would be devoted to training and to "targeted counterterrorism operations." By contrast, Clinton's force would have larger geopolitical responsibilities, including the restraint of Iranian power. Clinton says she doesn't know how many U.S. troops her plan would require, or how many military bases would be required to house them. But Michael Gordon and Patrick Healy, who conducted the interview, noted that former Pentagon comptroller Dov Zakheim, who has developed a strikingly similar plan, estimates that 75,000 American troops would be needed to carry his plan out. That's about half of the current force stationed in Iraq.

Initially, Clinton's plan differs from what Bush is doing. While Bush is still seeking victory over Iraqi insurgents, Clinton would withdraw from urban centers and from the civil war that is raging. But in its broader objectives, Clinton's plan is not dramatically different from that of the Bush administration. The White House certainly isn't expecting to maintain 160,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely, but it is planning a long-term occupation anchored in what the Pentagon has described as "enduring bases." As Spencer Ackerman has shown, it continues to construct these huge, imposing bases. Clinton's residual army, like Bush's, would not merely provide training to the Iraqis in the manner, say, that some European countries have done. The remaining force would have a larger geopolitical mission of keeping Iraq in the American orbit and away from either Al Qaeda or Iran. Their presence in bases would be reminiscent to that of the forces that the United States stationed in Cuba after 1901 or the British stationed in Iraq after 1921-- after they had abandoned colonialism for an informal imperial approach.>

<...if the United States wants to bring stability to Iraq and to the region, it will have to forego any hint of an imperial ambition inside Iraq . This means dismantling its military bases and allowing the Iraqis to develop their own oil industry. It will have to subordinate its military to its diplomatic policy and focus on getting Iraq's neighbors to take responsibility for stability in the region and for marginalizing Al Qaeda--an objective on which Jordan, Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia should be able to agree. It's not clear if the U.S. will be able to assemble a multinational force that could carry out training and combat terrorism. But as American experience has already shown, a necessary condition of assembling such a force will be a commitment by the United States to cease playing the role of a dominant occupying power.>

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070326&s=judis033007

[mtnsnake]

33. You got a problem with me liking more than one Democrat?

If so, tough.

[BeyondGeography]

34. Your statement that Obama

is doing nothing to stop the war is what I have a problem with. And you're pro-Obama?

[mtnsnake]

36. Yeah I'm pro Obama and if you don't like it tough shit

Also if you don't like it that I wished he'd do more at the current time, then tough diddlyshit on that too. I never said Obama has never done anything. I was talking about the present, genius. I'd like to hear more out of him at this time.

and if you dont like it that I can defend Hillary or talk positively of her, too, then pound salt.

[BeyondGeography]

39. OK...good to see you can be fooled by her little petition

while she's hatching a post-war occupation of Iraq.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. Looks like you're not walking the line.

You might have to be sent to Obama re-education camp.

[mtnsnake]

37. fox trot.

[Bitwit1234]

25. Her's is not the first politican to want us to sign a petition for something.

This one is important. So we should sign it.

[Alamom]

26. WOW! A presidential candidate who thinks on her feet and knows how to get things done...

It's been so long since anyone has seen experience & intelligence in action, they've forgotten what it looks like.



I remember. She's it and I'm with you.

[ddeclue]

43. Oh boloney! She's DEAD LAST on figuring out she should oppose the war..

That's why she's slipping...

Hillary's finger is in the wind and she's busy triangulating and trying to game Democrats again.

Aren't you tired of phoneys?

Vote for a sincere candidate, Vote Edwards.

Doug D.
Orlando FL

[Divide Et Impera]

27. Here's my message. Hope I'm not "detained"....

Dear sweet Warmonger-In-Chief,

I know you "believe" the sentiment of the American people is on "your side" in spite of the overwhelming polling as evidence to the contrary, but it's time you gave up on your little foray of choice. You manipulated intelligence and passed it along to Congress who voted based on that manipulated intelligence. I don't know if it is pure ignorance or greedy aspirations that took you there and continues to keep you there, but it is beyond time to LEAVE.

Oh, I forgot. If we don't fight them "over there", we'll be fighting them "over here", right? What are they going to do - swim over here? Frankly, if you funded the TSA beefed up the borders and sealed the ports (and inspect inbounds as if you cared), we could secure ourselves.

Also, I'd like to let you know that I would fight them here. The American people are not laydowns and we as a populous will not accept an incursion in our homeland. Brave American patriots would take up arms alongside our military and National Guard and by the time we were done with the alleged boogeyman, they'd be too scared to tangle with us. Get it?

However, none of that would even come into play if we secured our homeland as vigorously as you pursued oil interests, er, I mean democracy.

Thank you for your (lack of) consideration.

[mtnsnake]

29. Awesome!

and welcome to DU

[Divide Et Impera]

32. Thanks!

:thumbup:

[Tellurian]

38. My message to Bushey..

"You're either With Us or Against US!"



theres only one right answer!

[Alamom]

40. k&r n/t

[MasonJar]

41. Go sign, everyone! Great idea if we stand tall and support it!

[ddeclue]

42. Watch out for Hillary's triangles...

She's triangulatin' again..

Just how long did it take her to unglue herself from Bush and Lieberman?

If you want to stop the war, vote Edwards!

Doug D.

[mtnsnake]

45. Vote Edwards? Why? So he can co-sponsor another war?

Like he did with the current war we're in? No thank you. My vote will ultimately go to Obama, the only one besides Kucinich who didn't vote for the IWR, although Hillary is doing a good job in speaking out against it just the same. I love her petition. Hopefully everyone will sign it...at least all Democrats, that is, who have enough brains to put partisan Hillary hatreds and jealousy of her aside for a moment or two.

[ddeclue]

46. Yeah, like Obama was in the Senate at the time??

Give me a break.. He didn't vote for the war because he wasn't allowed to.

Edwards recognized the war was not going right 2 years ago and has spoken out and apologized publicly long ago.

Hillary is playing her usual calculating game trying to look anti-war now that her pollsters have told her to..

She doesn't lead, she follows the polls.

Doug D.

[mtnsnake]

47. Obama vociferously denounced the war at the time. Edwards promoted it.

Who the heck do you think you are to imply that Obama would've voted for the war if he could have?

Hillary is playing her usual calculating game trying to look anti-war now that her pollsters have told her to..

She doesn't lead, she follows the polls.

Yeah, kind of like what Edwards did when he apologized only after all the polls told him how unpopular the war had become....that and he was about to become a candidate. How weak was that.

[ddeclue]

48. Who do you think you are either?

Do you know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate?

I don't think anyone can honestly say given that it never happened.

Edwards apologized for the war early in 2005, the war was hardly "unpopular" at that time, given Kerry had just lost to George W. Bush in Nov 2004.

Keep trying...

Doug D.

[mtnsnake]

49. You're the one who made the idiotic claim. Not me.

I'm not the one who stated that the ONLY reason Obama didn't vote for the war was because he couldn't. You are.

Then again, maybe you have some uncanny gift of getting into the minds of politicians. Your real name isn't Kreskin is it? How about telling us what Obama had for lunch today. (snicker)

[ddeclue]

50. I'm saying Obama's claim of opposition has little meaning

given he never had to vote on it did he?

I said YOUR claim that he would have voted against is pointless..

What makes you the Amazing Kreskin?

Snicker back atcha...

Doug D.

[mtnsnake]

52. I said he DIDN'T vote for it. For someone who can read minds you sure can't read.

I said YOUR claim that he would have voted against is pointless

I never made that claim, genius. I said, "My vote will ultimately go to Obama, the only one besides Kucinich who didn't vote for the IWR

I never said he would have voted against it. Want me to send a tutor over?

[Clarkie1]

51. I want to sign...but I also don't want to get a lot of junk mail from Clinton. nt

[mtnsnake]

53. So sign and tell her to forward all your junk mail to me instead

:think:

[Clarkie1]

54. The thing is when I go to the site it looks more like signing up for Hillary.com

and not so much a petition to Bush. ("sign up" it says, not "sign the petition") I can't put a comment anywhere to the effect of "I will not vote for you in the primary and don't send me snail or e-mail," but I support this.

[ElizabethDC]

57. Yeah, um, that's generally the way these petitions work

but you can always give them a fake e-mail address.