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[dave29]

1. With all due respect

you are not the one to make that decision. And trust me, we all want Bush gone.

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[dave29]

9. yes and I also read this one

"Dean, Edwards, Kucinich, and Sharpton have all the right in the world to fight on, but it's rapidly approaching the point where Dems have to come together and focus on the REAL opponent: GWB."

(Edit: Did you take the above directly from Al Gore's speech by the way, the one so many jumped all over him for when he asked the party to do the same for Dean?)

I think there is plenty of focus in this regard (bringing down Bush), and it is obviosuly having an impact already. We are united in our desire to bring down Bush. It's gonna happen.

In the meantime, John Kerry can take the heat, I'm sure.

[StopTheMorans]

3. super tuesday:

if Edwards hasn't mounted an effective stand (let me start by saying that Edwards is my guy, Dean used to be until December), then the internecine sniping needs to stop. Let's face it, for all intents and purposes, Dean is done. I love how he's given this party a message again, but he's not the messenger for this election cycle, plain and simple. so my answer: the day after Super Tuesday (i.e. March 3rd.)

[Cuban_Liberal]

4. I'd prefer March 17th.

That's the day after the Illinois primary, and I'd like a chance to have my vote count.

[KaraokeKarlton]

5. Sorry, but the party wasn't showing that courtesy to Dean

when he was the front runner. If Kerry can't handle the heat he should get out of the race. Frankly, if he can't stand up to criticism within his own party he doesn't stand a chance standing up to Bush.

[Cuban_Liberal]

7. I agree with you.

Sen. Kerry has no special right to be 'left alone'.

[StopTheMorans]

8. different times mean different priorities

you can't equate party unity in March/April of an election year with party unity the year before a general election, it's not even apples and oranges.

[KaraokeKarlton]

22. Kerry doesn't get a pass, sorry. He needs to be tested

and he hasn't been yet. It's political suicide to send an untested candidate up against an incumbent who will stop at nothing to win. It would be highly foolish not to examine Kerry closely.

[library_max]

29. Examine him for what?

Test him for what? What do you think is going to happen if Kerry fails your examinations and tests? He's pretty much got a lock on the nomination. I can understand the desire for revenge, although some of pretty much everybody's supporters have been pretty hateful to pretty much everybody at one time or another. But is revenge useful at this point? What does it accomplish?

[KFC]

11. Good point

Dean couldn't stand up to Democratic criticism and it ended his chances.

Kerry has done quite well so far. Certainly better than the other candidates.

[KaraokeKarlton]

19. Dean has stood up just fine

If Kerry had faced even half the kind of things Dean has faced he would already have dropped out. Dean is the one with the staying power, and he's STILL raising plenty of money. Even with all the ganging up to try to bring Dean down, he is STILL standing. THAT is what we need against Bush. Kerry hasn't been scrutinized yet. It's only barely beginning, and even then it's not anywhere near as brutal as Dean was gone after. I don't think Kerry could ever survive all Dean has. We'll see soon enough, though, because I suspect the GOP is going to start going after Kerry now that Clark is out.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. That'll never happen

Kerry will get coldcocked from the right and the left just like Gore did. One day it will be NEWSDAY, the next day it will be the NATION or COUNTERPUNCH. It has always been that way for liberals.

Fortunately, unlike candidates who cry about it, he is seasoned and knows the score.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. I am right. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Get your hands on some old copies of The Nation back before they went online and then tell me we lost elections because of every reason Political Science classes teach..look at the grants that fund the Nation...anyone ever ask where Counterpunch gets their money from and how they can survive on that?

Who floated the Al Gore LOVE CANAL story first? Scaife?

[RobinA]

32. Explain, Please n/t

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. here ya go

http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=313837&mesg_id=314651&page=

[brentspeak]

12. I'm of two minds on this

Dean's attacks on Kerry are providing lots of fodder for the Bush camp. On the other hand, some of Dean's attacks on Kerry are MOSTLY ON THE MARK.

I mean, how can Kerry call himself "ethically superior" to Bush when he is employing someone like Bob Torricelli?

Maybe Dean's comments can prod Kerry to do the smart thing and dump Torch. Because the Bush people can legitimately raise Torricelli as an issue if/once Kerry becomes the Dem nom.

Brentspeak

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

27. Doesn't necessarily mean paying.

Just using the services of.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. What Dean is doing is textbook mutiny for liberals

We are constantly chided for being a bunch of crybabies who can't deal with war...not on the battleground of wars and not on the battleground of campaigns.
Do I support dirty campaigning as an ethical issue? No.

Do I play softball on a football field? Not unless I want 50 pounds of gear landing on my pretty white uniform.

Dean is a politican like any other. When push came to shove, he tripped.

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. After March 2nd

There will be nothing to attack Kerry about. He will have just smoked every other candidate in the field.

I'm sure the attacks will cease after the NY and Cali primaries.

[oasis]

15. BRING ...IT.... ON

:mad:

[helleborient]

16. And let's just forget about gratuitous attacks on Dean...

Duplicitous rules, obviously.

[library_max]

30. So we're talking revenge, right?

Not anything that helps the party or the country, just revenge.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. telling the truth about someone is not an attack

Kerry should get out of the kitchen if he can't stand the heat.

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[Cuban_Liberal]

23. When he wins his 2161st delegate, that's when.

Until he has the delegates needed to be the nominee, he's just another guy running for the nod. As he is fond of saying, 'Bring it on!".

Et tu, Senator?

[dave29]

24. I'm sure Kerry would agree

let all of the delegates be counted before he is annointed.

[BL_Zebub]

25. Pete, you misunderestimate the "real opponent"

George Bush Jr is certainly the frontman and posterboy of this enemy. But he's only part of the picture. The enemy is beyond Bush. It's PNAC, it's the media whores, and it's the corporations who have too much control over the government. And that's both the Republican party and the DLC faction of the Democratic party.

And your own candidate is mixed up in those groups bigtime. He's taking money from FAUX and he's voting for Bush's PNAC driven agenda. And that's why I can't bring myself to support him, even after the convention. Before would be out of the question anyway. Especially with a better candidate available.

[NashVegas]

26. Give Me Some Time, I'm Still Working On It

:evilgrin:

[library_max]

28. Attacks on all the candidates have been counterproductive since day one.

Thoughtful criticisms and expressions of valid concerns aren't the same as attacks. One way you can tell the difference is that thoughtful criticisms and expressions of valid concern don't have to be posted in twelve or more new threads per day. Also, thoughtful criticisms usually involve facts rather than speculation, and expressions of valid concerns are open to the possiblity that there is some response that would allay the concerns. So those who try to disguise their attacks as thoughtful criticisms and expressions of valid concern should be aware that we are able to tell the difference.

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