Gore will NOT run. Get over it.

[JeremyWestenn]

Really. I just read another thread glorifying Al Gore.

I'd like him to run. I think he could be a strong candidate, and an even stronger candidate then last time. He'd have even more appeal as now the majority of Americans probably wish they'd have elected him in the first place. But the brutal truth is, as he has allready stated, is that he is not going to run. The link has been posted, I've had enough of you all wasting time on it before hand when it wasn't going to happen, and now that he's said he won't run it's atrocious to my eyes that you people still chase your tails over it!

Gore won't run. He said so. Get over it. Find someone else to support and move on.

P.S. No one's going to draft an unwilling candidate.

[ruggerson]

1. Glad you said it.

Someone had to.

[Faryn Balyncd]

55. The Times (UK): . . . . . "Rivals Fear the Slim Chance that Gore May Run Again" . . . . . . WHY ?

Why should we "get over it", when Gore himself won't categorically rule it out?

From "The Times" (UK):

.......But the man whom many Democrats still insist beat George Bush in 2000, is also keeping a toe-hold on the 2008 presidential contest by refusing to rule out, categorically, making another bid for the White House.

When asked — as he is frequently — whether he will stand again, Mr Gore professes exasperation before saying: “I can’t foresee circumstances in which I would.”

This is a similar form of words to those repeatedly used by Michael Heseltine to defuse speculation that he was planning to challenge Margaret Thatcher for the leadership of the Conservative Party — until he did just that.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x264543


John Kerry has categorically ruled out running in 2008.

Al Gore has not.

A draft is viable.

Washington & Eisenhower were drafted.

[frankenforpres]

2. pols are like pro boxers

ill believe gore isnt running, when the facts demonstrate that he isnt running (the dnc convention).

[JeremyWestenn]

3. Yeah, because his stating he isn't running is of absolutely no truth! LOL.

Take off the rose colored glasses.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. I'll believe it when he states uncatagorically that he will not be a candidate.

This "I have no plans to run" and "I don't forsee any circumstances" stuff isn't definative at all.

If he really and truley doesn't want to run, then why not make it absolutely clear?

I'll answer that question for those who haven't figured it out. He's still leaving the door open.

[don954]

4. no, he isn't running

but he has been walking really fast lately! :evilgrin:

[JeremyWestenn]

5. lol

[oasis]

6. Running is the easy part. Just try getting him back into one of those earthtone getups.

:hide:

[AtomicKitten]

8. or maybe he will ....

You must pledge to eat something unsavory if he does run if you are going to take such a strident tone declaring he is not running. For our amusement. It's only fair.

[lligrd]

9. What Does His Running Have To Do With Posts

acclaiming his various accomplishments? The man deserves praise whether he runs or not.

[RestoreGore]

68. That's true

But you don't see many getting responses who write posts about his accomplishments without the gossip attached to it no matter how subtly. Matter of fact, those of us who support HIM (and actually the environment) but just not this political system and think he is better than it and actually think that what he is doing now is more effective for the cause are ostracized here as if we are somehow not supporters of the man. Typical political BS if you ask me.

[longship]

10. He did *not* say he wasn't running.

He said he did not intend to run. He also said things in other ways. All soft, non-comittal types of answers. He's never said he will not be running.

Now, here's the important part. He is totally and completely aware that his fans--of whom I am one--have been saying these things. So, why in Sam Hell does the man repeat the same soft, non-denial denials?

This only feeds the Gore supporters with yet, even more convictions that the man is indeed going to throw his hat into the ring some time this autumn.

Of course, then again, he may not. ;-)

[wildhorses]

11. smart move---it is still TOO early!!

patience, my friends, is a virture;)

[Trajan]

12. While I agree with the message ...

Your tone is less than collegial ...

Perhaps you would like a personal warning message from everyone about to post another 'Gore for President' thread ?: Just so you wont accidently stumble into it, and have to get mad at us ALL over again ....

Or better yet: I would recommend you look for the word 'Gore' in the subject line, and then DONT enter ....

From here on out: its YOUR responsibility to notice the 'Gore' word, and remain clear of the thread ....

You have been warned ....

Freedom is a pain, idnt it ?

[OneBlueSky]

13. Gore is not running NOW . . . which is a very smart move if he intends to run later . . .

it's way too early to be campaigning for 2008 . . . Gore is setting an example that the announced candidates should follow, i.e. spend your time taking care of the business you should be taking care of . . . that's what he's doing by continuing his educational campaign on global warming . . . the others should be back in DC working 24/7 on the critical problems facing this nation and the planet . . .

when the time is right, Gore will consider his options . . . I predict he'll run, because so many people want him to . . . and because he has the best understanding of the most critical issue of our time, i.e. environmental devastation . . .

[halobeam]

82. I'm refraining from all else, but would like to say I agree

100% that this is too early for any of this campaigning going on, especially with the country in such a serious mess. They ought to be spending their time on the issues of the day right now, and wait a bit... God, a two year campaign trail? It's ugly already b/w HRC and Obama... they ought to be focusing on ... I don't know, pic one, HOW ABOUT WALTER REED?

[wiley]

14. I'm over it.

[wakeme2008]

15. As much as I love Gore I have given up on him running and it is getting TOO late now

People and their $$$ have started to line up for the other candidates. IMHO they are not going to donate and jump ship during the primaries if Gore puts his hat in the ring.

:shrug:

[SharonRB]

45. It's not too late at all for him

This is still way earlier than most campaigns begin. The day he announces he's going to run, he'll be able to raise money very easily.

I still believe he'll run. In 2004, he knew people were working behind the scenes to try to get him to run. He shut them all down -- he told them in no uncertain terms that he would not run and they should stop everything. He has not made any statement to that effect this time. He knows very well all the work that is going on and if he wasn't going to run he would come out a definitively say so and tell everyone to stop what they're doing.

The field will narrow in time -- people will make missteps and drop out, etc. Al can afford to wait it out. He's the only one who can do this. He gets more positive press NOT running right now, just doing what he's doing, and that will benefit him when the time is right.

Don't give up hope. Join a Draft Al Gore meetup in your area. Go to http://draftalgore.meetup.com.

And please join us in the Al Gore for '08 Group. We'd love to have the Gore threads concentrated over there and make that group more active.

[Ignacio Upton]

56. The only scenario where I see him getting the nomination

Is in the event of a brokered convention, where the delegates are too evenly divided between Hillary, Obama, and Edwards. Having not run in the primaries, he can emerge as a candidate who is "above the fray."

...However, if there is a massive and bank-rolled draft movement, then we might get him to reconsider.:)

[saltpoint]

16. And don't look for the Berlin Wall to come down in our lifetimes, either.

Al's positioned to run if he chooses to.

[blm]

18. Yep - and, imo, it is too early for Gore to declare. I can see him doing so in September.

And I'll support him.

[closeupready]

22. Me, too. I'll work harder for him than I have ever worked for any other candidaet.

n/t

[FogerRox]

57. Exactly.eom.

[ms liberty]

17. He has not definitively ruled it out...and until he does, we will hope...

AND...If you don't like threads that speak positively about Al Gore, then DON'T READ THEM.

Furthermore, I'm not going to "find someone else to support and move on" anyway - NOT because I'm waiting on Al Gore (although I am) but because IT'S TOO EFFING EARLY TO MAKE MY DECISION. Just because all the punditry and the press, and some of the candidates, have decided to start running an effing year early, it doesn't mean I must decide my preferred candidate now.

[Le Taz Hot]

19. I have found someone to support.

Al Gore. It's called a write-in. Get over it. :smoke:

[Jennicut]

20. Newsflash to JeremyWestenn, people have their own opinions, get over it.

He may run, he may not. Maybe its too late, if you play into the media's hands. This is the earliest start to a presidential campaign in modern history. Perhaps Hillary will win and all the Hillary-lovers can have their celebration of the first woman in the whitehouse. Perhaps. I am not one to think she won't win. I believe unless Gore steps in she will win. It will be an unfortunate day. Perhaps one who is so enamored with her should read up on Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich, who has ties to right wing Israel and the Bushes. Perhaps one should check on Hillary's ties to the right wing pro-Israel lobbyists. Perhaps one should look into all the numerous scandals the Clinton both tried to coverup during their time in the Whitehouse: (the Commerce Dept. scandal for one). Or look into the Clinton's ties to the Bushes and to Jack Abramoff. This stuff is readily avaiable on the internet. It is not conspiracy, it is known fact. If Hillary is our nominee, I might not even vote. Who would be worse? Guliani vs. Hillary is like putting a moderate republican vs. a moderate Democrat who both have ties to corrupt interests. Don't be naive. If Gore does not run and I believe he won't as he does not want to get involved in this muck and dirty world of our political system again(I don't blame him)then I hope Obama can overcome the Hillary machine. I highly doubt it though, he is very inexperienced in a campaign. Although I'm not a fan of the slick Edwards I hope he can stir up something because it not we are doomed to more corruption, more plutocracy. I for one have almost given up hope, this country is done in for. We are like sheep being led to the slaughter, almost willingly. Get over THAT.

[closeupready]

21. I disagree with the threadstarter.

I do think he's left the door open.

There is unequivocal language out there to indicate to party supporters that, "no, I really am not going to run." He has not used that language so far, and if anything, he seems to be sending a message, if I think I can win, I will run. I really do sense that.

Further, tipper was on the news recently saying, if he wants to run, I will support him. That tells me something right there, that she knows he's considering it. She wouldn't have said that in that way unless she knew in her heart that it was something he really wants.

I think he does still want it.

[zulchzulu]

23. Let's see what happens at the Oscars...

If he doesn't say he's running then, I'd say he's not running this time. Maybe...

But what a way to start a campaign! Doing that in front of millions of people would not only make Oscars history, but pretty much take the Anna Nicole Smith and Britney stories off the front burner for at least a couple days.

[NYCGirl]

24. He won't announce at the Oscars. He is thoughtful enough to not want to overshadow

the producers and director.

[orleans]

49. besides, i think it would be a bit "cheesy" for him to announce at

the oscars.

he's too much of a class act to make the announcement there.

but i also think he will eventually get into the race.

he says he is not running...and the truth is that currently he is NOT running. but that doesn't mean he won't be running six months from now.

[SharonRB]

46. I think he'll run, but he will NOT announce at the Oscars

He will not announce anything until after the concerts in July. My guess would be August or September. Those concerts need to be bipartisan and if he announces before then, Republicans and Independents would be turned off.

[JeremyWestenn]

25. Nope. Gore won't run. I'll eat my words if he does but I just don't think it's going to happen.

He's made it clear.

[PresidentObama]

26. So did Barack Obama. He said he wouldn't run until recently.

Who is the major candidate after Hillary, again?

;)

[SharonRB]

47. He has not made it clear

In fact, everything he has said has been very vague. "I have no plans to run." "I'm not making a Sherman statement that I won't run." etc.

[Bake]

27. That's "Dr. Gore" to you (or it soon will be)!

I'll get over it when he finally, unequivocally declines to run. And when he endorses another Democratic candidate (which will certainly help me decide among the also-rans). Until then, NOPE.

Bake

[crispini]

28. He hasn't told the folks in charge of the Draft Gore movement to stop.

Which he did in 2004.

So until he does that, I'll continue to believe he's leaving the door open.

[Pirate Smile]

41. He told the draft people in 2002 to stop for the 2004 campaign.

They started it back up again and he hasn't told them to stop yet so they aren't.

[RestoreGore]

66. That is FALSE

Both the Draftgore 04 and electgore 04 efforts did NOT stop until the day after he endorsed Howard Dean, even though he announced he was not running the day after he appeared on SNL. I continued with an effort until this year and was never told to stop. I think some people need to stop lying to try to make a point that just isn't there.

[Pirate Smile]

71. That was what the Draft Gore person said in a newspaper article.

"In 2002, Gore asked Malone to stop a draft effort he had begun; Malone did. Malone started up again and, so far, Gore hasn't waved him off."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/02/08/gore_supporters_plotting_way_to_get_him_to_run_in_2008/



Cut the crap accusing people of lying!

[RestoreGore]

72. Malone was not part of Draftgore 2004

Matter of fact, he had nothing to do with THAT effort, so I have no idea of what he is talking about. I am talking about Draftgore 04 which I WAS a part of for a time until I saw that nothing was being done but stroking egos. And please, cut the crap? Truth is not crap, and I don't care how many links you have.

[SharonRB]

48. Crispi!

I'm with you. Did you get the e-mail I sent you through Meetup? I cracked up when I saw your name as a contact on the agenda at our Draft Gore meeting last night.

:hi:

[bleever]

63. True. But be careful:

I think Sharon's gone kind of stalkery and networky like an EDV about "democracy".

:hi:

[RestoreGore]

67. Again, that is false

The Draftgore 04 effort did not stop until the day after he endorsed Howard Dean, and he even sent them a letter thanking them, and also thanked me in person when I met him last July. He is not the kind of man to stop anyone from doing anything, but not because he is an egotist or because he even wanted it. He believes in freedom and more than likely already knew that drafts no longer happen in this military industrial complex and knew it would stop with his endorsement anyway. I went on after it and he never even said anything to me. It is one thing to want to continue this effort which even though I don't agree with you have every right to pursue, but to outright lie really makes those doing it look disingenuous.

[DeepModem Mom]

29. My very personal take on this is...

that Al Gore was not made for politics, but rather groomed for it by his parents. He gave it a good fight, succeeding beyond any parent's hopes. How could the campaign of 2000, however, and then the theft of the election after winning the popular vote not taken its toll. My guess is that Al may have done what a lot of folks do after such a difficult experience, and that is seen a shrink.

It's also my guess that, through some counseling, Al created the life he has today -- a life more in line with his inborn talents. He has both enormous influence in arguably the most important issue of our time and enormous acclaim. He has this -- and a nourishing family life, with a loving wife, children, and now grandchildren.

Why would he run for President again?

[closeupready]

31. It's possible. I suppose

he has been ambiguous because maybe he feels he would be letting people down if he didn't do it, but maybe he really doesn't want to be president? I just find that hard to believe, though, all things considered.

Given the clear opportunity today, with the GOP weakened and losing more support month after month, no incumbent to battle, weak dem candidates, having learned lessons from 2000, why would he turn away from his one last big try at it?

I would understand if he didn't, but I would be shocked. Who knows. :shrug: We'll see.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. I agree, closeup -- who knows? nt

[tavalon]

65. I'll tell you why he will run

Whether he was groomed for it or whether he was born to it, one thing he has is an understanding of soul and of the soul's requirement of doing the right thing, integrity. He will run because it is the right thing to do. For himself, for his constituents and for the planet. He will run simply because it is the right thing to do. I realized that while watching An Inconvenient Truth. While running again may and probably will be painful, he will do it.

Bank on that one.

[RestoreGore]

75. Then again, why didn't he run in 2004?

Wasn't it the right thing to do then? Sorry, I think he is simply allowing the speculation to go on to keep this climate crisis in the spotlight.

[RestoreGore]

74. Here is a great article about your personal take

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/gore.html

And I think it is the personal side of this many wish to ignore, but we simply cannot ignore it. 2000 changed him and I think for the better. He doesn't have to run in order to be a great man of accomplishment and he is already proving that. I wholeheartedly believe he now has the life he has always wanted, and can now do as he chooses regarding the issue closest to his heart and still be an influence on political and economic policy globally. He has the best of both worlds now, and he knows it.

[jen4clark]

30. Nope. He never said he won't run.

Find the quote of him saying that. He hasn't.

I believe if fall comes and Gore sees no qualified Dems in the race, he will jump in.

[PresidentObama]

32. I think thats his strategy.

Insist he isn't running, but wait and see if Hillary and Obama start to tank or if they lose their leads and it becomes anybodies race. I'm not sure if he'll run, but I know he's at least eyeballing it. I didn't believe Obama when he said he wasn't going to run, and what do you know he's running. So I'll believe he isn't running, when I see it!!

If Gore runs, my support goes to him. I'll drop my support for the rest, and back him 110%!!

[w4rma]

62. I fully agree, Kerry2008. (nt)

[senseandsensibility]

34. Oh okay

You said so. That's enough for me.:crazy:

[cleveramerican]

35. Supreme Court Justice Gore anyone?

[Milo_Bloom]

36. Actually, he has done everything BUT officially declare

Unlike in 2002, Gore has not made any definitive statement about not running. Also, unlike in 2002, Gore has not asked for the Draft Gore movement to stop, even though he knows that it is drawing money and resources from other Democratic candidates. He has even talked about how he is honored by the sentiment, but "sees no circumstances in which he would run", leaving that door WIDE open.

Gore very much IS running right now, but he is doing it brilliantly... but not naming himself a candidate, he is free to do and say as he pleases, without the idiotic horse race scrutiny or funding disclosures of the other named "candidates".

Gore doesn't need to get his hands dirty to run, he just needs to keep doing what he is doing and watch momentum continue to gather.

The concerts planned for July should refocus the public right back on him and start up all the "draft Gore" talk again in the MSM. By then there will be several hundred thousand signatures gathered, plus possibly video of stadiums filled with people cheering for him, maybe even yelling, "Run, Al, Run".

At that point (Most likely in September), Gore can easily declare, "I never forsaw this circumstance" and at the request of the people of America and the world, i will do as you asked and seek the nomination.

"P.S. No one's going to draft an unwilling candidate."

You are 100% right and in 2002, Gore made it Crystal Clear that he was unwilling. He has carefully avoiding doing so this time around. Why do you suspect his message and actions are so different?

[Labors of Hercules]

40. Precisely...

I have always read his responses as a careful way not to declare definitively... He's a smart man, and I think he is making the right responses to keep the engines running while avoiding the accelerator. The more people buy into the "fact" that he's not a candidate, the bigger the response "when" he becomes one.

[SharonRB]

50. Very good post

You've said it all here.

[Southsideirish]

37. He didn't say he "wouldn't run" he said "he didn't see any circumstances

wherein he would run" (or words to that effect.) If there is tremendous groundswell of grass roots support for him in a few months - he might "foresee" different circumstances, or so I am hoping and praying he does see them.

[geek tragedy]

38. His movie producer endorsed Obama. eom

[Labors of Hercules]

39. hmmm... says to me a vice-presidential nod to Obama...

IN THE NEXT GORE ADMINISTRATION!!! YYYYYYEEEEHHHHAAAAA!!!

[Bryn]

42. He Will Run

n/a

[Labors of Hercules]

43. What makes you say so?

[Rydz777]

44. Shermanesque statement

I'm waiting for a Shermanesque statement before I give up on him. So many things could happen in the months ahead, including another major terrorist attack, and it is good to have a man who is uniquely respected world-wide in reserve as a possible candidate. If the need were clearly evident, I think Al Gore would respond.

[SharonRB]

51. Please, everyone discussing Gore -- come to the Al Gore for '08 Group

We'd love for that group to become more active, so please try to come there and post your Gore discussions there.

Also, if you haven't yet signed on to work on the Draft Gore movement, find a meetup near you or start one yourself. Go to: http://draftalgore.meetup.com. You can also find information at www.algore.org.

[kster]

52. Theres a simple solution

if the Al Gore threads bother you, DON'T READ THEM!!

My 2 cents.

[FredStembottom]

53. Well that's just a silly thing to say, isn't it.

Why get all certain and disappointed (and testy) about a full year in advance of when we might actually need to get over it?

And why do you, specifically, need us to get over it - right now - today?:crazy:

Just wonderin'.....

[buddysmellgood]

54. Given the choices, I'll write him in. Get over it.

[garybeck]

58. don't say things that aren't true. he did NOT say he is not going to run

make your argument, whatever it is. it's a free country.

but base your argument on fact. don't make things up. you say Al Gore said he "is not going to run." I don't believe that is true. If it is true, then show me where he said it and I will apologize if that is the case..

[Straight Shooter]

59. Look out! Another true believer post happily "glorifying" Al Gore.

More of Gore, link: http://www.cafepress.com/votedem2008/682129

[Justice]

60. I gotta say, I am not convinced that he will not run.

[sueh]

61. If it's atrocious to your eyes you should do what I did about all

the Anna Nicole threads. Click on *ignore*.

[politmuse1]

64. Oh yeah, he won't?

Do you have personal chats with Al Gore and he confidentially told you something he hasn't told the rest of us? If not, you must be looking at news that's a year old, because he hasn't said a word in recent days and weeks that's new or different.

I don't know that he'll run, either. Most likely he doesn't know yet himself.

Regardless, we're NOT getting over it. And if you want to know why, read this!

The Gore Draft: It's Not for the Faint of Heart



.

[Jeanette in FL]

69. Excellent passage from the article you posted

Draft Gore is about you, not about Gore. It’s about turning around history and taking charge of your destiny. It is about choosing the candidate who deserves our vote and our trust. Are you happy with the offering of candidates out there? f not, then help us keep the dream of a Gore candidacy alive.

All that said, we realize that Gore supporters are human. We'd never ask that you get all bent out of shape for a candidate who will never run under any circumstances. But Al Gore has left that door wide open. Not only has he refused to make a Shermanseque statement, but he won’t utter three simple words: "I won't run." Not once did he say that. He says, “I don't intend to run,” “I don't plan to run,” “I can’t think of circumstances under which I would run.” But never, "I won't run." Does that sound like a candidate who slammed the door shut to a candidacy?


Exactly. The media is trying to jam down our throats the candidates that they would like to see run. There used to be a time in this country where the nomination didn't happen until the Conventions. Now a candidate is chosen before most of the country has their primaries, leaving most candidates at a huge disadvantage. That is a huge loss for us as well.

Gore and our country were robbed and I will never get over it. I will not give up on Gore until he tells me too.

[Clark2008]

70. It's sad commentary on our allegedly "great" field when

so many people are concerned that the choices they're given either A.) aren't who they wish would run, despite popularity, because they don't feel these front-runners represent them and/or B.) don't feel the people who are running who represent them can win.

I'm firmly in that camp.

I wish Gore would run, but I don't make a ton of comments on it. I wish Clark would run - he has a better chance in the general election than he does in the primaires and would represent both liberals and moderates to a Tee.

I really don't know who I would support if either doesn't run. And, if one particular candidate from our field gets the nomination, I know for certain I won't vote for him in the general election (nor for the Republican) because I simply don't trust him.

What does that tell us?

[Joe Fields]

73. No, what Gore, supposedly through his spokesman said, was...

"Mr. Gore has no plans to run."

This is a far cry from stating emphatically that under no circumstances would he ever run. A big difference in Washington lingo.

[hashibabba]

76. If you don't like the posts, don't read them! Who are you to

tell me what to say on this board? Learn to scroll by the *offending* threads if you don't like them. There are plenty of things here I don't want to read about. I either bypass the thread or just read a little and use that handy back arrow to leave the thread.

Gore had NOT given the Shermanesque Statement that would entirely rule out his running for president. Guess what that means? THAT HE WON'T RULE OUT RUNNING!

[Hun Joro]

77. I can't imagine what you hope to achieve with this post...

"Get over it"? Where have I heard that before?

[marlakay]

78. Until he makes a definite statement

like I am not running period and I endorse so and so I am going to hope...what else is there? I won't do a write in unless Clinton wins for the democrats then I think I will write in Gore. If I had to choose now I would choose either Obama or Edwards.

[earth mom]

79. Get over it! Gore WILL run in 2008!

Who do you think you are proclaiming anything about someone you don't even know personally? :eyes:

GORE 2008! :woohoo:

[cassiepriam]

80. Gore will run if he is convinced he can win. And that we really need him now.

[treestar]

81. It's so early yet though

I remember Ross Perot in 1992 running, dropping out and then running again!

Anything is possible. Al can change his mind. There's no law sayin' he can't.

[LittleClarkie]

83. You can not predict the future

YOU get over THAT.