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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:32 PM
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Cook County Illinois 5,303,683 : Population Fulton County, Georgia Population 915,623
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:32 PM by madmunchie
Estimated for 2005.

How does Fulton County get off saying that they want to split their County in two because it is too big??????

What a bunch of baloney.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/17031.html
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 PM
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1. Los Angeles County 10,000,000
maybe we can split up into 3 states and 25 counties...:evilgrin:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:45 PM
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7. Why shouldn't California be at least 2 states?
I like our two senators, but it isn't fair that they have no more power than the senators from North Dakota. Speaking of which, why aren't North and South Dakota one state instead of two? That's it--make the Dakotas one state and California two states and we'd still have the same number of senators and a bit fairer representation.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:04 PM
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18. Sounds good to this Californian
I'll even let the southern part keep the California name - we up here can go back to our old name of Alta California (you have to take Ahnold, though). Splitting states has been done before, so there should be no constitutional issues.

I don't know why there are 2 Dakotas - with a combined population of less than the county I live in. A South Dakatan friend used to claim that there really was no such place as North Dakota, and it was all a clever plot to get South Dakota 4 senators. Makes as much sense to me as anything else - it's one of the few states I've never been to -)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:38 PM
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2. It's 100% baloney.
Anyone who doesn't see that fact doesn't want to.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:39 PM
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3. It makes perfect sense. That way all the "wrong" people can be
put into one county, leaving the God-fearing, bible-thumping, war-mongering, comparatively rich white folk in the other.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:39 PM
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4. Onion should do a story about Georgia bill
attempting to declare each resident their own county since the complexity of dealing with groups of diverse people is too taxing to the Georgian mind
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ManWroteTheBible Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:42 PM
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5. Harris County (Texas) - 3,693,050
Is this county split some new Republican gerimandering tactic?
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:44 PM
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6. "We have larger population than 4 states!!!!! My oh My!!
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Monty_ Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:21 PM
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8. Dade, Broward, Palm Beach
are all bigger than Fulton. Duval might be as well.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:44 PM
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9. The fact that there are larger counties does not mean that the complaints are not genuine
Attack the redivision of the greater Atlanta area if you like, but use something that is material and factual
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:51 PM
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10. Fulton County is oddly-shaped because the northern and southern parts
were tacked on (Milton County, and Campbell County, respectively) during the Depression as a way to save money.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:08 PM
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11. And those pproposing breaking it back up are using that as justifiaction
This move is going to face the real issues that other proposed breakups have, pensions, senority, costs etc. There have been similar move for Los Angeles City before. Those are the issues that stopped it.

I have yet to see any evidence of racism, I see it more as an economics/class effort based on rate of return. When the economic realities set it, it will kill this one too.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:54 PM
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12. There have also been secession attempts by Staten Island against NYC
Being a conservative and suburban-like county, many in SI didn't want to stay with the rest of the city. However, the secession movement died down after Giuliani came into power (I guess they felt that since they could put Rudy into office, that they were not irrelevant politically.)
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:02 PM
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13. I am just citing what was said by the plan's chief sponsor .
“The only way to fix Fulton County is to dismantle Fulton County,” said state Rep. Jan Jones, the plan’s chief sponsor. “It’s too large, and certainly too dysfunctional, to truly be considered local government.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773267/


I then added the facts of the populations of Fulton County compared to Cook County Illinois and last I heard Cook County is functioning quite well even though it is over 10 x the size of Fulton County.

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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:12 PM
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14. You missed my point
- Just because there are larger counties in the US, it does not meant that Fulton county is well run
- Just because there are larger counties in the US does not mean the larger counties are well run

That there are larger counties in the US is irrelevant to the situation in Fulton County
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:37 PM
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15. No, it means that the people running Fulton County are incompetent
I didn't miss your point at all, by your logic all counties larger than Fulton County should be divided into smaller counties so that they can be "properly" run.

Your first point makes no sense. If Fulton County were "well run" there wouldn't be a conversation now would there be? Obviously Fulton County sees itself as facing huge, unsurmountable problems.

The fact that there are many larger Counties in the in the U.S. is precisely the point, they are models of how Fulton can help itself. Sure many of the larger Counties may not be well run, so Fulton County Officials can pick and choose from Counties that are well run....UNLESS your point is that none of the Counties are run well..... If that is the case then you really need some facts to back up that broad of a brush stroke assessment.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:50 PM
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16. Not necessarily
My point was that Fulton County's population compared to other counties is irrelevant as to whether or not it is run effectively or is the correct configuration/boundaries. Note also that counties operate under different rules in different states. Geography also plays a significant part.

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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:12 PM
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17. You are grasping at straws, I am not making the argument that their
County is too large, THEY ARE. "Our County population has more population that 4 states"
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