Their poll compared to ours on DU?

[dmosh42]

While watching CNN last night, they were covering the story of Sen. Obama in NH. Suddenly, they flashed this poll showing Obama and Hillary with a big percentage, and the guys that poll highly on DU, (Edwards, Clark, and I think Gore) with single digit numbers. I remember Clark being 2%! WTF! Are we out of touch here? Or are they making this up?

[bowens43]

1. Clark , in particular has almost NO support outside DU.

IMO most Democrats want someone new, not 2000 or 2004 retreads.

From my conversations with Democrats, the CNN poll sounds about right.

[Clark2008]

7. Yeah - he does - but you'd have to be in a red or purple state

to see how much. You know - those states we need to win in order to take the presidency.

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. Clark, Richardson, and Biden are tied in that poll

Bayh and Vilsack are lower. The only Democrats in double digits in that poll are Clinton, Obama, and Gore. Really the only wild card in the mix now is Obama, who in the "newest" of all and getting lots of media attention. Everyone else in the upper ranks of this poll previously either got elected President (Gore) was married to a President (Hillary), or ran for President or Vice President on the last Democratic Ticket. A high profile and media attention drives the polls this far out before actual campaigning begins.

[lvx35]

2. We are ahead of the curve.

I mean, just think...Its NOW that the American people are waking up to realities of Iraq, according to polls. The same with hold with polls. Obama will stay up there because he's hot, but I expect others to rise.

[Mythsaje]

3. We're more knowledgable in general,

so we respond differently here than to most general polls.

A lot can change in the nearly two years we have left before the election. And a lot of things can come to light once the investigations begin that change the way people feel. Those who seem to be comfortable with the status quo might not look so good to a really pissed-off populace.

[Sherman A1]

4. It;s really, really early

there is lots of time for every candidate to have their say and sell their positions. It is however, up to them to sell us on the reason why they should get the job.

[ktlyon]

10. This is all media. They created the hype, now they will feed.

Just more media stuff. Wouldn't think it could last two years. It is all about the race, the media needs a race, we need a race. So they think anyway.

[Sherman A1]

11. I agree and disagree

Yes, it is media and Yes, 2 years is a long time, but we need issues debated and ideas put forth. The sooner the better on this, so a bit of a horse race to draw attention perhaps isn't such a bad thing. It's early, the new Congress hasn't taken up yet, the media is bored a bit, when a few investigative committees come forward with even a few shreds of the truth out of this administration then perhaps the focus will shift a bit.

[StrictlyRockers]

5. Give them time to catch up. Not everyone is this brilliant.

;)

[wyldwolf]

6. Are we out of touch here? With the rest of the Democratic electorate, yes

[Clark2008]

9. So you're saying the rest of the Democratic electorate is

stupid?

[wyldwolf]

13. No. Why do you ask?

[Clark2008]

8. Nope - it's a popularity contest. Most of these people, if they

even vote in the primaries (which isn't as likely as people on DU) are herding toward Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Obama... because that's ALL the media talks about.

I'm going to advise others to look at who the CORPORATE media is NOT talking about and vote accordingly. The corporate media isn't our friend.

[dmosh42]

12. Yes, I agree there.

That was the point I was driving at. I can understand maybe Hillary and Obama having a lead, but so little support for the others? Give me a break! I think this is more spin from the corporate media.

[wyldwolf]

14. So you're saying the rest of the Democratic electorate is

Stupid?

[dmosh42]

15. No, It's about the 'corporate media'.

We're all very astute political students here!

[wyldwolf]

16. psst. I just posted that because of post #9. I don't think anyone is stupid

[Clark2008]

19. Well, you do seem to think we're out of touch, but did you

consider that many of the "average" voters of the Dem populace tapped in these polls are even more out of touch with reality?

That was why I posed that question.

I mean, why is it that HRC, who is drawing the most support in these "average American" polls draws so little on sites that attract Democratic activists and political junkies? We are the people who eat and breath policy and voting histories and ideals instead of personality and we're not too keen on some of the "poll-popular" candidates because KNOW their votes aren't populist or particularly healthy for Middle Class America.

I think it is the average voter who's out of touch with what's best for this country - not us political junkies. They're out of touch because of our corporate media, because they have to work two or three jobs to pay for daycare and health care, because they're too distracted by shiny objects...

I submit that THEY are out of touch, not DU.

[wyldwolf]

20. I don't believe a small group on message forum has some inside advantage...

... on the Democratic electorate at large concerning the nominee.

The Reality is, HRC is the frontrunner. To think otherwise is to be out of touch with reality. And for a small group to think that the electorate is ill-informed for naming Clinton as their first choice is arrogant and self-centered.

The problem with the core group of DUers (100 or so) that submit and vote in DU polls is they cannot fathom anyone disagreeing with them on the country's priorities or what is best for the country.

Just as in 2004, I submit it is this core little DU group who is out to lunch.

[ms liberty]

18. These polls are totally meaningless right now...

We're over a year away from the PRIMARIES, fer gawd's sake.

The only people who are actually paying attention to this stuff right now are those of us who are political junkies, and the 'media' who seem to have nothing else to keep them busy. Out here in the real world, most of America are focused on taking care of their kids, paying their bills, buying xmas presents, working, maybe worrying about their jobs, the economy, the war...and all the other things that normal (i.e. NOT DU'ers, or the politically obsessed!) people think about. If they've been polled or surveyed, they're naming the people they hear about most in the news - the news that they've got on their tv or radio and listen to as they cook, do laundry or housework, help the kid with homework, et cetera, et cetera. Who they're interested in seeing as President or as their preferred presidential candidate is not on their list of priorities right now.

WE are thinking about it because we're incapable of thinking about anything except politics for any length of time. Most of America is not like us.

[LittleClarkie]

21. It's too soon, damn it!

At this point last time, Lieberman was ahead in the stupid polls. I'm not paying any attention til more people announce.