Carville will be part of the Hillary campaign, and it bothers me.

[madfloridian]

Before you say, Madfloridian, it is none of your business, well, yes, it is if I am going to vote for her. It becomes my business, and I should care.

It is pretty clear that James Carville will be/is part of Hillary's 08 campaign. I used to think he was funny, but not for a while. It really bothered me when he attacked Dean just after the election...I wondered why.

It honestly does bother me that he and probably Paul Begala will be working as advisors or in other roles with her campaign.

http://potomactwostep.blogspot.com/2006/11/bill-and-hillary-clintons-war-plan.html

"The team that would try to make that happen is mostly from the East Wing of the Clinton White House (Patti Solis Doyle, Caprice Marshall), not the West Wing. "Some of us who were with him will be with her; a lot of others won't be," says one former White House aide unwilling to publicly identify which is which. Pollster Mark Penn, fund-raiser Terry McAuliffe and media adviser Mandy Grunwald are onboard, and James Carville and Paul Begala would help from the sidelines. The Clinton camp is not the monolith conservatives make it out to be. Carville's call last week for the ouster of Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee was his initiative, and came without the approval of the Clintons, who aren't spoiling for a fight with Dean. "I'm 62 years old and my parents are gone. I don't ask permission," Carville says."

Well, I don't believe for a minute that attack was just something Carville thought of in his own mind. Not for a minute.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060220&s=lizza022006

In Hillaryland, you're either in or you're out. Bill Clinton famously
agonized over pushing aides from his inner circle. He cried and apologized
the day his fired press secretary Dee Dee Myers left the White House. After
the 1994 elections, he dawdled and couldn't bring himself to get rid of
several advisers who were left wondering about their status, even as he
began to rely on their replacements. In contrast, Hillary's team likes
bright lines, and one way they maintain them is by firmly establishing an
in-crowd. Joe Lockhart, the White House press secretary and face of the
Clinton administration for two and a half years? Out. (They suspect he's a
John Edwards man, though an Edwards aide says he isn't.)

James Carville? In. (He's personally close to Hillary and speaks to her regularly.) Doug Sosnik,one of Bill Clinton's senior strategists in the late '90s? Out. (He's advising former Virginia Governor Mark Warner.) John Podesta, Clinton's last chief of staff and now the president of the Center for American Progress? Way in. (He has important links to labor and environmental groups and serves as a policy conduit to Hillary.) Leon Panetta, Clinton's second chief of staff? Far out. (He clashed with Hillary and tried to keep Hillaryland at arm's length from the West Wing.) But trying to determine who's in and out is nothing compared with figuring out who's influential and who's not. That search takes you deep into Hillaryland.

And this video is also revealing about their extracurricular activities in other countries to our south. I know I have been accused here of naivete about politics, but it is hard to think of these guys advising our Democrats. One of the Carville, Greenberg, Shrum groups apparently advised our Democrats to go along with IWR as the majority in the country seemed to want it. More here and the video of Our Brand is Crisis.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770

[Ken Burch]

1. McAuliffe's in the Hillary high cammand?

Stick a fork in her then, folks. She's done.

[silverojo]

5. She's pure DLC

Steal from the poor to give to the rich, DLC, Republican-lite mentality.

I hope Barack Obama or anyone else kicks her ass in the primary.

[snowbear]

2. Carville Factoid: In 2000, Carville urged Gore to select Zell Miller as his running mate!

According to this article written by Arianna Huffington: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/157272

James Carville hasn't correctly read the pulse of the American public since 1992.

Among his greatest nonhits since then were urging Al Gore to pick Zell Miller as his running mate in 2000 and advising John Kerry to push domestic issues in 2004.

The article talks about how Carville is spewing hatred towards Dean. He's LOST it..

[liberalpragmatist]

3. To be fair, Zell wasn't insane in 2000

He was Georgia's most progressive to date and delivered a tremendous convention speech nominating Bill Clinton in 1992.

He slowly started going to the right after he was elected to the Senate and it accelerated first after 9-11 then picked up even more after the '02 midterms, when he completely went off the deep end and abruptly changed all his old positions on the issues and claimed the Democratic Party "left him".

And Carville was one of the first to denounce him for it and ask him for his campaign contributions back.

[DemBones DemBones]

23. Yes, and not only that but Zell introduced Bill Clinton to Carville & Begala,

who ran his gubernatorial campaigns. Zell did that because he supported Bill Clinton and wanted him to win, which Carville and Begala helped him do.

That said, I no longer trust Carville or Begala any more than I trust Zell. Or Hillary.

[Pirate Smile]

51. Didn't Zell have some physical problem - something heart related which

sometimes can effect people?

I've heard (TV news) that people who used to know Dick Cheney don't recognize him anymore and think it may have to do with some of his heart issues - changed his personality and, obviously, his brain.

I vaguely remember reading something similar on Zell. Some physical problem and he changed. He went into this nasty state where he lives now. I recall an article and big thread on DU about it.

[Hippo_Tron]

4. Good, if Carville thinks he can do better than Dean I want to see him try

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize. Actually getting your hands dirty is another thing.

[orleans]

7. carville is a defeatist. he caves in too easily. tell him a republican

won and he simply gives up and starts copping to the idea that the dem candidate wasn't as good as...let's say bush!

because that's what he fucking did.

he slumped his shoulders in DEFEAT

right away.

[Ninja Jordan]

6. As if we needed one more reason not to vote for Hillary.

[Nay]

10. I didn't need another reason, yet here it is! Disgusting that that

wolf-in-sheep's-clothing asshole Carville has any job at all with the Dems after what he said about Dean.

[pa28]

8. Not sure Carville and Clinton are that close.

Going back to 1992 Carville was shut out of a White House role, they say, by Hillary.

Maybe things have turned around since then but the styles of these two seem so different it's hard to imagine those two being pals. Hillary Clinton, whatever your opinion, certainly has intelligence and personal dignity seems very important to her.

I'm guessing she sees James Carville the way the rest of see Terry Bradshaw, Jim Cramer or Willard Scott. They serve a purpose but you don't necessarily want them around.

[saracat]

9. I am not a Hillary fan but your point is what? She is political?

Bill and Hillary have always been political and will do whatever it takes to get elected.That is the name of the game and I can't fault them for it. So Hillary was advised to go along with IWAR. That was pragmatic advice at the time. I am so tired of this whining about it.Many Dems voted that way . Politics is a guessing game and they were wrong. Big deal. They know it now..
And the fact that Howard Dean has done some great things for the Democratic Party should not diminish the efforts of Terry MacAuliffe. Terry raised a lot of money for the DLC and gave Howard the foundation on which he has built. Terry brought the DNC into the 21st century!
It looks like Hillary has chosen a team with a track record of "winning" and while some may not like them or her I can't see being upset by her strategy. She is going with the tried and true.She wants to win.Whether she will win is another story but kudos to her for giving herself what she perceives to be as every advantage!

[wyldwolf]

11. her point is that the stars have to align just right for her to be happy

[Larkspur]

12. If Hillary is the Dem nominee in 2008, I hope she gets crushed in a landsllide

then we can be rid of the Clinton myth and Trianulation theory once and for all.

This morning on the Young Turks, they said that John McCain leads in the $$ race for the Republican Prez nomination. He has pretty much sown up the Bush donors. Mitt Romney is 2nd and Guiliani is a distant thrid. I can see a McCain/Romney ticket going against Hillary/sacrificial lamb. In this case, I see McCain easily defeating Hillary, unles he really blows it. Of course, Iraq will be an intangible factor that will shape this race.

[wyldwolf]

13. Interesting you would say that

[Larkspur]

14. For me, to vote for Hillary is to vote for me getting laid off from my job

Hillary supports shipping my job to India. There is no way I'll support her or any DLC clown that adores Free Trade deals.

[wyldwolf]

15. ok. We'll put you down as not supporting Hillary if she is the nominee... further...

...we'll list you as hoping she losses in a landslide to John McCain or Mitt Romney.

[Larkspur]

16. Thank you.

[PVnRT]

17. It makes sense

I imagine that all of the anti-Dean frothing idiots will be working for Hillary.

[zulchzulu]

18. Hey Jim! Read STATE OF DENIAL, by Bob Woodward (pgs. 344-347)!

Got anything to say about that, ol' Jiminy Cricketville...

From the book:

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio--perhaps up to 250,000 of them. "I don't agree with it," Carville said. "I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about."

Matalin went to report to Cheney.

What? the vice president asked. ...

"You'd better tell the president," Cheney told her. ...

"They're going to contest it," Matalin said.

"What does that mean?" the president asked. He had his note cards with talking points in hand, ready to go over to the Reagan Building to declare victory.

Matalin said somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican secretary of state in Ohio, who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes."

Has Carville and McCurry been questioned on this turncoat behavior?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. And this is only what made it's way into the book

How many times did Carville let his bedmate onto inside campaign info?
Looks like Kerry had to watch his back from all sides.

[karynnj]

36. Not to mention that Begala and Carville in their media roles

were among the first and the most insistant in pushing the Kerry is just ABB. Kerry was a VERY decisive winner of the primaries - even though the media pushed Dean until they killed him, Clark and Edwards.

Before 2004, he ABX phrase was always used in the primaries to mean an attampt to stop a frontrunner with say 35 % of the voters by having the supporters of the otehrs coalese around one other candidate. It makes no sense in the general election.

So, in the time period when people are usually learning more about their nominee with known partisans pushing their candidate. It's hard to believe that these 2 men could find nothing in Kerry's past or in the positions easily found on his web site to praise. They were among the only prominent Democrats on cabe TV and they signalled that they weren't enthusiastic. It was more fun to make snarky Bush comments. (Remember Jon Steward going after Begala and Carlson - if the candidate were Hillary they would have filled the airs with her praise.)

[NoPasaran]

19. I'd like to see Carville retire from politics

I think he'd be a lot more successful as a pro wrestling promoter.

[lojasmo]

20. I'd like to see him retire from this earth. EOM

[madfloridian]

22. Penn, Schoen & Berland, Mark Penn a pollster for Hillary. Just in Venezuela.

Boy, I sure have been naive. I found this while searching Our Brand is Crisis, the movie about Greenberg Carville, Shrum's group working around the world.

Trailer:
Greenberg,Carville, Shrum...Our Brand is Crisis Trailer..Bolivia

Now about Mark Penn and company, said by this article to be a similar type thing like that mentioned in Our Brand is Crisis.

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/503/1/

"In 1999, when the U.S.-led bombing campaign in Serbia didn't get rid of Slobodan Milosovic, Washington changed its strategy. U.S. intelligence organized a $77 million effort to oust Milosovic through the ballot box. They sent in CIA front organizations funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). Instead of guns and bombs, these U.S. forces were armed with fax machines, computers, and perhaps most importantly, sophisticated surveys done by the Washington-based polling firm Penn, Schoen & Berland.(1) Their mission: to take down Milosovic by strengthening opposition groups."

In his article, "Coup D'etat in Disguise," Jonathan Mowat described how these "polls" work:

"Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support...the deployment of polling agencies' "exit polls" broadcast on international television...give the false impression of massive vote-fraud by the ruling party, to put targeted states on the defensive."(4)

The U.S. is already firmly entrenched in Venezuela with "democracy promotion" organizations such as the NED, USAID, and yes, once again, Penn, Schoen & Berland. These actors have teamed up with major opposition groups to map out and execute their strategy. The objective will be to create a situation like in Ukraine in 2004: huge protests against the elections and against the government in order to cause chaos and instability. Basically, it comes in three parts."

Last week, Mr. Schoen, of Penn, Schoen & Berland, released the findings of his latest survey on the Venezuelan evening news. As expected, Penn's survey showed that Chavez's opposition, Manuel Rosales, was nearly tied in the polls with Chavez. Chavez, it showed, had only 48% support, and his opponent Manuel Rosales had gained significantly up to 42%. This poll is now being reported across all the major Venezuelan media, to a huge audience, showing that Rosales was gaining more and more everyday, and could possibly win. Mr. Schoen added his personal opinion, "The momentum is clearly with Rosales."(10) With the help of the mainstream media, almost all of which is vehemently opposed to the popular president, these fake polls have reached a wide audience."

Fascinating article, you need to read it.

And more on the subject from the Miami Herald, December 3;

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/16151906.htm

"Sudden change at U.S. polling firm startles Venezuelan oppositionBY PHIL GUNSON AND STEVEN DUDLEY
[email protected]
CARACAS - A sudden change in the management team of a U.S.-based polling firm working for opponents of President Hugo Chávez has raised eyebrows on the eve of presidential elections today.

Penn, Schoen & Berland, (PSB) a Washington firm that has been polling during the campaign and will be conducting exit polls for opposition candidate Manuel Rosales, confirmed that Mark Penn and not Doug Schoen will lead its team here.

Two members of Rosales' team, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak on the record, expressed surprise over the sudden change in managers and weren't sure how it would affect polling.

Another Rosales advisor, Diego Arria, said there was no turmoil and that Schoen was ``retiring.''

[madfloridian]

24. Manipulating polls in other countries...

I have little doubt it is done here as well. A candidate can be manipulated out of the race by polling data.

[madfloridian]

42. Bloomberg covered the Venezuelan polling....quoting Schoen

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a7P6Y82ZWQUM&refer=latin_america

"Chavez Lead Narrows to 6 Points in Penn, Schoen Poll (Update1)

By Peter Wilson and Guillermo Parra-Bernal

Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's lead over challenger Manuel Rosales narrowed in a survey by U.S. pollster Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates ahead of the Dec. 3 election.

Chavez led opposition candidate Rosales by 6 percentage points in a poll taken between Nov. 6 and Nov. 10, compared with a 13 percentage point lead in a September poll, said Douglas Schoen, a founding partner for the New York-based pollster, at a news conference in Caracas. Support for Chavez fell to 48 percent from 50 percent in September, while backing for Rosales rose to 42 percent from 37 percent, the poll found.

``This is a very close election,'' said Schoen, a Democratic strategist who was President Bill Clinton's pollster. ``The Venezuelan public is roughly equally divided.''"

I don't know the final results, but this was way off.

I thought someone posted the percentages on this thread, but I can't find it.

[mtnsnake]

25. Carville would be an asset on any Dem's team. The guy is a fighter.

Man, I'm glad he's in our foxhole and not the Repukes. It's nice to have people like him who aren't afraid to shove it right back in the faces of the Republicans.

[madfloridian]

27. Yes, he is a fighter.

I will give him that much. I used to watch his every media appearance. Now I don't. Actually the turning point was Crossfire when they obviously went after certain candidates, he and Begala.

So it bothers me a whole lot.

Then I find that Mark Penn is doing polling stuff in Venezuela. See my post above.

There are starting to be a lot of fighters in our party now, more will be coming.

I happen to feel that James Carville is not what he used to be, or should I say not what I perceived him to be. But then we can disagree peacefully.

I voted Democrat faithfully and stayed on board. I have worked very hard for my party. Now I am realizing things I did not realize before, and they will figure into my future activity.

[karynnj]

38. Sure what did he do that was helpful

in 2004 or 2006??? Just asking.

[mitchum]

47. He may be "in our foxhole", but he is also in the corporate pocket

Carville is nothing but a DLC tool. Fuck him.

[IndianaGreen]

26. Carville and Begala are frauds

They should both stay in show biz!

[election_2004]

28. Carville just bothers me, period

When he put the trash can over his head on Election Night 2002, he should have just kept it there.

[madfloridian]

29. "Brand" doesn't pull its punches...more of the sordid stuff they do.

From Wired News:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70321-0.html

"How do you win a presidential election in Bolivia? Give the same answer to every question. Study the polls. Don't spend too much time meeting voters. Buy attack ads making your rival look like the greater of two evils. In other words, do exactly as your well-compensated, slick-suited American political consultants tell you. That's the route Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, aka Goni, took in his 2002 campaign.

The documentary Our Brand Is Crisis opens a window onto a troubling trend: the export of high-tech, American political consultants to countries around the world. Brand, which opened in New York this week, follows as strategists James Carville, Jeremy Rosner and Stan Greenberg spin Goni toward the presidency.

...."Unemployment, poverty and class tension are rising, and Goni's American strategists, who openly admit how little they know about Bolivia, seem powerless to help. What they can do, however, is drive down opponents' approval ratings.

GCS's mission includes the international promotion of a pragmatic, Clinton-style blend of progressive social policies and business-friendly economics. But the company's data-crunching and Nike-style marketing skills are no substitute for an understanding of the complexities of Bolivian society."

Alarming. If we do it there, do we do it here?

[BenDavid]

30. If Carville can run and win

while seeing Mary, and being in love too during the 92 campaign, I am sure he will work hard and be on fire for HRC as he was for WJC.
Oh, and I did not see if anyone had posted why James was pissed at Dean. There was money left in the bank account that Dean did not use for candidates that lost by 1% point and James thought it was wrong to leave money in the bank and not use it for not only his candidates but others that lost the election by 1% to 2%, and James knew if he had more money they could have won...He is right about that....

[madfloridian]

32. About all that money....Carville was misrepresenting. Details.

I scanned this from our paper today because someone was saying Carville was right. No, he wasn't. The election is over, the DNC goes on paying salaries in the states, working with states and local groups. That is their job...there must be money to do it. I scanned this to show that all that money was not there.

The DSCC and DCCC have specific jobs, elect candidates. The DNC has a much broader job description. Dean is keeping the workers on in the states for 08.

[madfloridian]

33. And there is much more to the story, but it is late.

They are choosing to blame Dean for candidates they funded to the hilt. Not fair. Some of these lost because they were told not to mention Iraq.

Some lost because of other reasons. I have a long list in which it boils down to only 4 candidates...via CQ.

Carville was wrong. He is wrong to be messing around in the elecions of other countries. He was wrong to attack Dean.

[karynnj]

41. How many of those 4th tier candidates would even have been there

if Dean (or Kerry and Clark) hadn't put money and effort into places where we were extremely unlikely to win. This is the dumbest argument I have ever heard - unless you win EVERY race, in ANY year there will be some candidates that lose by less than 1% or 2%. In many cases, more money will NOT change the outcome - at some point things are saturated.

Go back and look at any projection 6 months ago. Carville was not even sure on the possibility of winning the House and the Senate was thought to be impossible. Look at how the DCCC or DSCC allocated money - neither of them were going after tough seats to win. Consider too that Carville doesn't attack Emanuel who was charged specificly with winning House races.

Carville is an unethical jerk without a shred of integrity.

[fujiyama]

31. Just another one of million reasons not to vote for her in the primaries

and I'm closer to the point, where I'd have a tough time voting for her in the GE as well (I will but it won't be with any enthusiasm or interest)...

[madfloridian]

34. Hillary to have dinner with Carville, Begala, and others tonight...Hotline.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com:80/archives/2006/12/clinton_dines_w.html

"Sen. Hillary Clinton has dinner with tonight with several of her husband’s top political advisers – James Carville, Paul Begala, Joel Johnson and Joe Lockhart.

All four have substantial presidential campaign experience, and none will play a formal role in the campaign." (IMHO A formal role would be better than a role which has them using their TV positions to bash other candidates...as they did on Crossfire before it was cancelled. Formal is better than behind the scenes..nothing here...look over there stuff.)

..."Carville was the senior consultant on Clinton’s 1992 campaign; he was a close adviser through the Clinton presidency. He leveraged his celebrity into a Hollywood career, a CNN gig, numerous teaching engagements, popular books, overseas consulting for international presidential candidates, and even a restaurant. Democrats sought his advice and feared the sting of his rebukes.

In the late summer of 2004, he pressured John Kerry to shake up his campaign. Within weeks, Johnson and Lockhart, by then wildly successful lobbyists and consultants, were asked to retool Kerry’s public image. Democrats debate today whether their intervention worked."

[madfloridian]

35. McCurry and Carville and the election....I found this from 04 at DU

I found this thread here at DU from 04 about Mike McCurry on Franken's show, saying "get over it", the votes aren't there. Very odd. Lot of anger in the thread. In light of what we found out later....hmmm...mm..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2710500#2710525

Date of the show...November 17

This blog summariizes the State of Denial reference.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24630

"After 1 a.m., Card called Cahill.

Cahill said the Kerry campaign felt confident.

Card was caught off guard. ... --Is there going to be a phone call?"

"We won't be calling you," Cahill replied. She seemed to be half asking whether Bush would be calling Kerry to concede.

(snip)

Matalin is married to James Carville, a Democrat who had been chief political strategist for Bill Clinton in 1992. ... ...

"Look, I know this is hard for you," she told him sympathetically.

Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio--perhaps up to 250,000 of them. "I don't agree with it," Carville said. "I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about."

Matalin went to report to Cheney.

What? the vice president asked. ...

"You'd better tell the president," Cheney told her. ...

"They're going to contest it," Matalin said.

"What does that mean?" the president asked. He had his note cards with talking points in hand, ready to go over to the Reagan Building to declare victory.

Matalin said somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican secretary of state in Ohio, who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes.

(snip) skip forward to page 347...

"I'm the president of the United States," Bush said fuming, "waiting on a secretary of state who is a nut." ... ...

Reports came in that the networks wanted to go off the air without calling the race for either candidate.

Rove shouted, "They can't go off the air!"

At 3:36 a.m., a very sensitive communication from the Kerry camp was relayed to Rove and Bartlett at the White House. Mike McCurry, Clinton's former White House press secretary and a last-minute addition to the Kerry campaign, had e-mailed Nicole Devenish, the Bush campaign communications director, an off-the-record congratulations, advising that the Bush team should not try to force a resolution now. Don't pressure Kerry, McCurry said. In the end, he believed Kerry would do the right thing.

Bartlett and others told Bush about the e-mail, summarizing the message as "We'll do the right thing at the right time." They could trust that McCurry would be in a position to know what the Kerry campaign was thinking, Bartlett said, but they had to be careful not to put too much stock in it. At least we know there are people in the Kerry camp giving rational advice, Bartlett said. ... ...

Card said they should declare victory. ... ... ...

STATE OF DENIAL, by Bob Woodward (pgs. 344-347)

[geek tragedy]

37. Great! That means she'll lose the nomination. eom

[Rosemary2205]

39. Those 2 deserve each other.

[madfloridian]

40. He has picked the major candidates for 08 already...D and R

He bothers me so much. Just the attitude he has toward politics being a game to him. Maybe that is why he enjoyed it so much when he tried to take Dean out right after the election...it was a game.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/773

I read this article, and I cringed. He makes fun of everyone, picks the 08 major folks, just shrugs off politics like its a big joke, a game to be won, no matter who is hurt. He is not a good representative for our party, and I don't like his being advisor to an 08 candidate.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/11/carville_2008_e.html

"The first thing pundit James Carville did on stage Thursday was to comically imitate the way his fellow members of the “commentariat” hyperventilated over the political significance of the most recent elections."

"“It’s going to be the mother of them all,” Carville predicted of the ’08 presidential race. “It’s historical. We’re on the precipice. We’re in a paradigmatic transformational blah blah blah.”

"We’re going to have five larger-than-life candidates running for president,” he said, ticking off Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) (whose name he pronounces to rhyme with “La Bamba.”)"

"Perhaps his most gleeful hope is that there will be more candid moments with the candidates, as increasingly wired-up audiences use their cell phones, digital cameras and other technology to pass along the things they see on the campaign trail. Sen. George Allen (R-VA) learned the potential for this the hard way in the past election cycle, when a campaign volunteer caught the senator on videotape calling him a “macaca,” which many took to be a racial slur."

And he ends with this statement:

Candidates will inevitably slip up on the campaign trail, Carville promised.

“I know what the fatigue does to you,” he said. “I know what the cold does to you. I know what the anger does to you.”

You have no idea, Mr. Carville. About the anger, that is. No idea.

[wyldwolf]

43. After bumping you're own thread 5 times, we all understand he bothers you.

[AtomicKitten]

45. but it really, really, really, bothers her

[elizm]

44. That says it all IMO...

Just another reason for me to stick with my conviction that I WILL NOT vote for Hillary....EVER.

[jcrew2001]

46. wife

Has Carville been brainwashed by his wife. I don't trust either of them.

[madfloridian]

48. Update: Bolivia trying to extradite the fellow Carville's group aided...from our own USA.

This is the guy referred to the trailer for the movie...Our Brand is Crisis, which follows Carville's group during the campaign for Sanchez de Lozada.

Sanchez de Lozada Sheltered in the US

On the one hand it hurts and angers. On the other, it’s nothing to write home about. To know that ex-Bolivian President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, 76, is living a happy life in the United States, not only hurts the deepest sentiments of the relatives of his victims, but also offends the majority of US citizens familiar with the case.

However, it comes as no surprise to see Washington welcoming an individual with a well-known criminal record and turning a deaf ear to the extradition request filed by the current Bolivian government, based on strict adherence to international laws and existing agreements between the US and Bolivia.

Sanchez de Lozada is charged with the massacre that took place in September and October 2003 in El Alto, which caused the death of 67 people and injuries to 417 others, according to a rigorous investigation by several Bolivian human rights groups.

And another article on this:

Bolivian groups seek extradition of former president

In Bolivia, a coalition of social movements has formed a committee, Comité Impulsor, to work towards the extradition of former President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, who is living in the United States. The groups want him to face trial for massacres against his own people and for ransacking the treasury of Bolivia, the poorest country in South America.

A group of progressive U.S. lawyers will be traveling to Bolivia this January as part of a National Lawyers Guild delegation to meet with activists of this committee and families of Sánchez de Lozada’s victims from the Indigenous, working class city of El Alto. They intend to bring information concerning this case to the progressive movement in the U.S.

Sánchez de Lozada is another in a long line of former presidents and nefarious terrorists and gangsters—such as Toto Constant of Haiti and Posada Carriles of Cuba—who, after working to carry out imperialist dictates in Third World countries, are given safe haven in the U.S. when they are no longer useful to their masters. The Bolivian social movements are determined that Sánchez de Lozada, who currently resides in the Washington, D.C., area, will answer to the people of Bolivia for his actions.

Sánchez de Lozada was twice president of Bolivia. His second presidential campaign in 2000 was strongly supported by the International Monetary Fund and the U.S. He ran a slick media campaign managed by none other than Bill Clinton’s campaign manager, James Carville.

Here is the trailer to Our Brand is Crisis.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770

From the You Tube website by the poster of the video:

For decades, U.S. strategists-for-hire have been quietly molding the opinions of voters and the messages of candidates in elections from the Middle East to the South American jungle. With flabbergasting access to think sessions, media training and the making of smear campaigns, we watch how the consultants' marketing strategies shape the relationship between a leader and his people. Our Brand is Crisis is an astounding look at one group's campaign to elect the President of Bolivia and its earth-shattering aftermath."
For more information please visit www.ourbrandiscrisismovie.com

[IndianaGreen]

50. Excellent find about Carville sleeping with rightwing tyrants

the most frightening thing is that Carville is not the only globalist onboard the Hillary train.

[madfloridian]

52. Here is a scathing review of Our Brand is Crisis, and Carville's role in it.

I just ran across it tonight. It is from May this year. I think I will order this DVD if it is available. It is such a terrible thing for those who are part of the campaign of one of the frontrunners for president in the US....that I have no words.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/16116/

It’s hard to know whether to marvel or weep when James Carville goes into his Bill Clinton–meets–Looney Tunes act in Rachel Boynton’s knockout documentary Our Brand Is Crisis—the context is so morally topsy-turvy. As a high-priced consultant to the 2002 Bolivian presidential candidate Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (“Goni”), Carville gives a dazzling demonstration of how a politician should field an “oddball crap question” and steer it, in as few words as possible, back to the campaign’s message, which in this case is, “We’re in a crisis—and I’m the guy with the know-how to fix it.” The problem is that the blinkered patrician Goni doesn’t have the know-how to fix a stopped toilet, much less a country on the verge of economic collapse, with a disenfranchised indigenous majority howling to be recognized.

The process of “framing” Goni to look like something he isn’t could be the stuff of a rambunctious campaign comedy like Primary Colors or, for that matter, the documentary The War Room, which made Carville a political rock star. And parts of Our Brand Is Crisis are darkly amusing. But Boynton has done her own framing: This campaign is a precursor to tragedy. She opens with footage of an anti-government riot that came less than a year after the election. When the gunfire stops, the camera moves in on a boy sitting on the steps of a building, his head partly covered by his coat as if he’s grabbing a nap. It’s only when the camera is on top of him that we see the pool of blood. The image of that boy haunts Our Brand Is Crisis, so that the U.S. strategists who do a bang-up job of getting the wrong man elected to the wrong place at the wrong time look like agents of catastrophe.

These consultants, who work for the firm of Greenberg, Carville, and Shrum, aren’t the ultrasecret fat-cat right-wing corporatists of most muckraking documentaries. They even give lip service to progressive ideals. While acknowledging the immense profits to be made, they argue that with the export of American-style democracy comes the need for would-be leaders to market themselves to their people as well as to the rest of the economically globalized globe.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/770

Maybe just maybe what he said about Howard Dean after the election because we only took 29 or 30 seats...was a way to frame a crisis, and that is his specialty. Make it look like one even if there is none.


The Video:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/773

The CNN video of what he did to Dean, just like he did in 03 on Crossfire. Making a crisis where none exists.

[IndianaGreen]

49. Isn't it obvious that Hillary will have plausible deniability for the dirty shit

that Carville and Begala will pull on her behalf.

Here it is:

James Carville and Paul Begala would help from the sidelines.

Followed by this instance of plausible deniability:

Carville's call last week for the ouster of Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee was his initiative, and came without the approval of the Clintons

Oh yeah, Carville did this all on his own? Bullshit! This was a calculated attempt to deny Dean the credit that he clearly deserved for his 50-state strategy, and a not so subtle attempt at putting a Hillarybot in charge of DNC.