CNN admits it overplayed Dean's Iowa scream.

[Cascadian]

Finally. Someone in the media admits it! They admit something we have known all along! Gee thanks for being honest and thanks for taking down a great and viable candidate.

:eyes:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040208/ap_on_en_tv/ap_on_tv_dean_s_scream



John

[coloradodem2005]

1. I'll say they over played it.

Now it is time to overplay a Bush mistake.

[cavebat2000]

2. Like someone said before

An appology doesn't even matter any more. They cant take back the lost votes, and the fall Dean has taken. The media almost admits being responsible for Deans demise but only after it doesn't matter.

[bain_sidhe]

12. Maybe it's a warning

Media to candidates:

"Yes, we admit it. We brought Dean down. Consider it an object lesson whenever you start thinking you can fight us. Remember: We can make you, and we can break you, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it, so get used to it. And let's not have any more talk about fighting media consolidation, 'k?"

[0rganism]

13. It's called "gloating"

> The media almost admits being responsible for Deans demise
> but only after it doesn't matter

Media: Golly gee, look at how powerful we are! We built the guy up as a frontrunner, and massacred his campaign with negative footage. We so rock!

All supporters of the "electable" Democratic candidates need to understand this: a candidate is exactly as electable as the media allows him/her to be.

[lyonn]

29. Iowa and the media

Prior to the caucuses the media was making big noises about Dean's records while Govenor, then after Saddam was captured and Dean stated that "we are no safer since his capture" and no one did a real follow up on his meaning. I sure didn't feel safer since Saddam wasn't responsible for 9-11 and other threats from al queda. Then Dean stated something like Osama should be tried by a court. What an idea. That's usually what you do when someone is suspected of being guilty of a crime. The media again left that comment hanging with only casual reminders of what Dean said and then smile and smirk. I never felt prior to Iowa that Dean got good press, lots of press maybe, but the kind that insinuated that he "might" have a problem! Well, it appeared to work. The media rules folks. Let's face it, don't they describe Kerry as "electable" and not much in the way of how much the public really like "him." Just a thought.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

3. There are MILLIONS of clips showing Dean screaming

why they chose to saturate the airwaves at that time ... well, actually I'm not surprised in the least.

[Cascadian]

4. Oh the media never attacked Dean OH NO!!

(SARCASM)

:eyes:


John

[dsc]

5. Oh really

I suppose that you could bother to link us to one, just one of these millions of clips. For the math impared that would be 1/10,000 th of 1% or 0.0001%. Care to find that one clip.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. They had one on the GOP site for months

http://www.rnc.org/

Dean was screaming "We're not going to listen to those fundamentalist preachers anymore!" - and he sounded just like one of those fundamental preachers :)

My point was that they could have publicized his yelling at his rallys anytime - and they chose to saturate the airwaves when it did the most damage to him. That's the way they do it.

[DrFunkenstein]

7. It Remained The Most Downloaded Clip On C-Span For Weeks

It is still top 5.

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp

[jpgray]

6. It was WAAAY blown out of proportion--I said that the night it happened

The media loves nothing better than to crap all over a frontrunner. King and pauper-making is their specialty.

[Q3JR4]

8. Eh....

Lot of good that does now.

[lastknowngood]

9. Thats useful kind of like the Nazis admitting they shouldn't

have killed all of those Jews. A little late now that the damage is done.

[xultar]

10. Oh Really, What jackasses, way after the fact. They are such assholes

That means they won't admit that they effed up the dem nomination process untill after GWB is elected again.

[jpgray]

14. Right--this is like the "Oh yeah, and the Niger thing was a forgery"

They only deigned to mention this AFTER the war. Of course, knowing this much since Novemeber of 2002 from the IAEA doesn't make any difference! Let's wait to report it!

:crazy:

[xultar]

23. They think late better than nothin' fuckers won't get jail time. n/t

[MurikanDemocrat]

11. The media overplayed it. I agree

[janx]

15. They did what they meant to do.

Nothing matters now. They did it and got the results they were after.

[Uzybone]

21. Exactly

thats all that needs to be said about this. Im sure democrats were not expecting a free ride from the "liberal media".

[Leilani]

16. What a disgrace

Not only did they do it, they enjoyed doing it.

They like their power, & in this election season it seems their arrogance has grown to unbearable levels.

Journalists used to strive to be honest, fair, & unbiased. Today, their true colors show, & they make no apologies.

[milkyway]

17. CBS News Prez says we told people it would be extremely damaging to

Dean. The sheep followed.

Heyward said he believed the event helped accelerate Dean's decline — "not so much showing the speech again and again, as the kind of collective wisdom that suggested that it was extremely damaging and, to a degree, became a self-fulfilling prophecy."

The biggest problem with the Dean speech is that other politicians try to do the same thing all the time, but they look so fucking lame when they do. Excuse Dean for having a little too much vigor.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

19. lil punks.

the new media vs old media wars are just beginning. pull up a chair.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. If Chimp wins in November

I will institute an absolute boycott of all corporate media. That includes cutting off my cable, I can hardly stand to watch TV anymore anyway.

I think it is something we should all consider doing, and letting them know we are doing it.

[creativelcro]

22. What is the point, now ?

[RetroLounge]

24. A little fucking late, I'd say

Of course, the media didn't hurt Dean, he hurt himself (sarcasm)

(which is repeated around here when it supports a certain viewpoint).

[eileen_d]

25. When will CNN admit it overplays Kobe, Peterson, and all things Jackson?

When will CNN admit that it stands for "Crap, Not News"?

[Anwen]

26. Shocking.

They overplayed his speech? Ya think?!?! :eyes:

According to my Yahoo this story is one of the top three "most emailed" stories today. Heh.

[Zomby Woof]

27. he was toast before the tape

His 3rd place 18% finish was the fork in his tail. The rally tape had no effect whatsoever. I seriously doubt he would have recovered in NH had the event never happened. People know he isn't fit for the office nor a campaign,

[Duder]

28. Some were saying the same about DK before any votes were cast...

Perhaps they were right.

[candy331]

30. I suppose CNN really had a twinge of conscious

or shall I say the pocketbook. I keep hearing the word accountable for everything from the Iraq war to the deficit but the media has got to be held accountable for the destruction it is doing to this country. They can tear any one down they want to yet keep the one in the White House propped up. The media has lost the place it was created for and that is protect the public from the scoundrels in office instead it has reversed roles and is protecting the scoundrels.

[Zomby Woof]

31. LOL

It cracks me up, whenever I point out a Dean weakness in a Dean thread, his supporters can never defend Dean, but rather, attack DK in an off-topic manner.

Get back to me when DK is the topic of the thread.

[Duder]

33. I find it amusing too...

...that certain DK supporter(s) do so much pointing in Dean threads and repeat the same line when it's applied to their candidate... if he is really their candidate. Hard to tell when the same dog is always pissing on another's porch. :)

[Zomby Woof]

34. When someone attacks DK

I stick to DK as the subject and defend him, without attacks on anyone else. I only ride Dean in threads about Dean. So say what you will, but I stick to the topic. If others do not, why point it out to me? It's not my cross to bear.

I make no secret of my opposition to Dean, and am smiling a lot these days at his demise. ;-)

[Duder]

35. You opened up the topic...

"People know he isn't fit for the office nor a campaign."

I heard the same said about DK, if we're generalizing about what "people know" about the candidates. It's a cheap b.s. kind of smear and yeah there's no secret about where they regularly come from.

[Zomby Woof]

43. the voters confirm my statement

The people DO know he isn't fit because he went from being the frontrunner by a mile, to being a 3rd or 4th place has-been barely in the double-digits.

Since you insist on being off-topic with DK, at least he has IMPROVED from 1 or 2% showings, to 10-15% showings. Maybe the voters do not think he is fit either, but at least DK is a real Democrat with a conscience, and not the opportunistic and craven used-car salesman that is Howard Dean.

Also, I challenge you to find a DK thread where I bring up Dean as an unfavorable comparison, where the thread topic was ONLY about DK.

You won't because it doesn't exist. Your baseless attack on me fell flat, like Dean's campaign.

[edzontar]

48. Yes, the voters are FLOCKING to Kucinich these days

And we know they are always right!

[Duder]

52. You're sounding like an opportunistic and craven used-car salesman:

:bounce: YEEAAARRRRRGHHHHHH!!!!! :D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=287712#288509

[edzontar]

47. Astute observation, Mr. Duder

One is moved to speculate in these cases as to both motive and sincerity, since so many of these postings seem to be moved more by hatred of Dean and his supporters than they are by any stated thoughts about policy or philosophy.

Fortunately. Rep. Kucincih is doing very well in the primaries, and has much more than a "small core" of support.

[Skip Intro]

36. "no effect whatsoever" - ??!!!

We all know how little and insignificant a role the media plays in public perception.

uh, yeah, ok, right

:eyes:

[killbotfactory]

37. Yes, obviously. With so many undecideds...

Falsely portraying a candidate as a crackpot loon for a week straight will have no effect what-so-ever.

[DannyRed]

39. ZombyWoof,

I have resisted responding to your posts for some time...

Here goes, and I am trying to be polite here, so please, try to respond in kind.

First, I respect your candidate, and I like Kucinich - he is my #2, and was for a long time my #1. I switched to Dean about a year and a half ago because, while Kucinich is better on most issues (except his history wrt abortion and choice), Dean, IMO, is better at articulating the core premise of those issues to a wider audience.

Second, to address specifically the contention you make in your post:

Dean's 18% finish did not, in any way, represent "toast" in the overall picture of the primaries, for a series of reasons that i will outline.

1) Iowa caucuses, like ALL caucuses, are extremely fluid, unpredictable, and hard to pin down. Caucuses are horsetrading, armtwisting, influence peddling, old-time smackdowns. Caucuses often produce radically divergent results. In the specific case of Iowa, there were several factors that influenced the outcome:

A) ABD was important. Gephardt, Kucinich, Clark, Sharpton, and the other "unviable" groups, for many reasons that include inexperienced or inappropriate Dean caucus leaders, Union influence, deal-making, or just plain old cussedness, shifted to Kerry and Edwards.

B) Weeks and weeks of hit pieces in the local and national media, an ill-advised negative ad war engaged in by Dean in response to Gephardt, several 527 groups putting really nasty ads on the airwaves, and the Club for Growth Ad all combined to produce an Anti-Dean wave.

That wave influenced Iowa results.

EVEN WITH that confluence, Dean pulled 18%, and according to inside reports and personal reports, and initial polling, IF Iowa were a primary, not a caucus, Dean would have won (i.e. with the intial round results, Dean was ahead nearly everywhere.)

Finally, with the combination of the less than expected results in Iowa, and a steaming, heaping pile of shit barrage of media slime (900 showings of a "massaged" and sound-edited clip??? false reports of campaign bankruptcy (Dean has better than 8 million in the bank, folks), Fals reports of insider dealing, false reports of infighting, nasty rumors about Trippi stealing...

AND real mistakes made by DFA wrt to ad quality, timing, location, and placement...not to mention a number of others,

The Iowa results were compounded out of proportion.

Look at it this way, EVEN AFTER losing in Iowa, EVEN AFTER getting hammered, smeared, and lied about in the media, EVEN AFTER mis-steps and gaffes...Dean has finished strong seconds in NH, WA, ME, weak second in MI, and did well in NM and other 2/3 states.

He is second in delegates, and still has a decent chance to turn this around to some degree, depending on the next couple of weeks.

What the recent results are showing is that Dean has a very strong core of committed support, ranging from 8 to 25% of the Democratic populations in widely diverse parts of the country.

Kerry is stronger among many demographics, and has scooped up those "undecided" voters - most of whom decided at the last minute based on final impressions....and who comprised the plurality of nearly ALL the polls that showed Dean "leading" in Nov./Dec.

Okay?

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

40. and dont forget the..

"...why isnt Mrs Dean on the campaign trail with him?"

... when i dont think i remember seeing a Mrs. John Edwards anywhere. did we? have we yet? what does she look like?


slight o hand folks.

the real election is right now folks. wake up.

[Zomby Woof]

44. Why is that addressed to me?

I have never once addressed the wife issue. Even in all my truth-telling about Dean, I have never once brought up his wife. She is off-limits, for she is not running for office, nor misleading people and taking their money.

[Name removed]

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[edzontar]

46. Thanks again.

nt

[edzontar]

45. Thanks a lot. Thanks a real lot.

It is always nice to feel that special surge of DU solidarity at a time when the media ADMITS its culpability in taking down one of our candidates.

[politick]

51. What?!

You really believe that? Dean has a core group of supporters in NH, and he was by far the strongest candidate there. If anything, his third place finish would have tended to mkae NH voters snub Iowa, to remind them who's boss. But the constant barrage of that crazed demonic Dean we had to watch on EVERY NETWORK EVERY HOUR, had an effect. People started to have doubts. The weird thing is, Dean's polling numbers were actually going UP, to the point that he was in a statistical dead heat with Kerry, the day before the primary, according to some polls. What happened?

[killbotfactory]

32. Really?

I never would have guessed...

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

38. Did you know that...

...Henry Luce, the founder of TIME (the now parent company of CNN, time-warner) was Skull and Bones? And not only were both Bush and Kerry, but so was Theresa Kerry's first husband, John Heinz...

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM

welcome to the ruling elite.

[tobius]

41. CNN killed Dean

- has a nice ring to it. Unfortunately, if you go back to that night and the next day on this forum; and many other forums that are more Dean centric, you will see the palpable fear and interest the "yell" evoked. That evening was Deans national intro to many people across America that had never seen him speak before. All they had heard was he was the front runner who had questions about his temperament. That performance solidified it and the incredible "around the watercooler" interest was reflected in the network,cable and internet news that followed. Even die hard supporters put together websites dedicated to musical re-mixes of the yell. Hell, Dean even went on Letterman,- I guess as part of this grand conspiracy.

"Men readily believe what they want to believe."
       -- Julius Caesar, Commentaries

[tom_paine]

49. Hey at least they admitted it after the fact

(too late, of course)

Most Corporate Pravda semars against Democrats, no matter how over the top, never even get the whispered and mostly unheard retraction.

I think they were just embarrassed at how effective their destruction of Dean was. I think the RNC, which as usual gets any meme it wishes to inncoulate into the laughable "National Dialogue" laundered and trumpeted not only by the Party-Loyal Bushevik Sub-Media but by the pathetically weak and lazy Corporate TV Pravda, as well, should be just as pleased.

Sure, CNN did it's usual whisper abotu being wrong, but will it change for the next time?

My guess: NO

[AngryAmish]

50. What scream are they talking about?

I'm kidding. The apology from CNN is a sack dance, just to prove their power.

[NashVegas]

53. You Know What's Really Funny About This?

"this" = the media torpedoing this campaign.

Dean went on the record as saying he'd do something to get media consolidation back under control.

What's really, really, really funny about this is that the news writers and producers and reporters who went nutzoid on this clip some 900 times in a week, are going to be the group whose heads will be the first on the chopping block when the latest rules (TV + Paper Ownership in same market, 45% TV ownership cross country, more than one TV station per market) go into effect.

The first ones to go at the papers will be those with the most experience (more $$) who aren't necessarily the most telegenic, probably followed by the city desk editors whose work will be partially handled by the "if it bleeds, it leads" producers. The editor in chief and the TV news director will see a reduction in responsibilities and answer to one main guy. Who will probably fire them both and hire some lackies in their places for far less money.

Long-time columnists who don't look so good on the air will be replaced by 25 year old celebrity fluffheads/sports guys.

Then, after all these TV stations and newspaper ownerships have merged, it will be even more fun when the big boys come in and buy up these entities. That's when the TV news staff gets cut to shreds in favor of network feeds.

Oh yeah. They're having a ball while they did their own graves.

[edzontar]

54. We can only hope.

I would say that the current media cannot be saved by reform, but has to be broken up, shut down, and completelt re-staffed by non-criminal elements.

I know that seems drastic, but I view them as a cabal or mafia-like operation.

Use the RICO laws on them.