McKinney being Diebolded; name not on ballot

[Padme Amidala]

Call newspapers, TV stations, your Congressman or Congresswoman and the DNC. Demand the election rigging be stopped or redone and that voters in the precinct where her name was not on the ballot be given the opportunty to vote. If Bush's man Johnson wins, we've all lost.

Forwarded Message:
Subj: McKinney Dispatches: Less than an hour into voting, My name is not on the ballot--opponent's is
Date: 8/8/2006 5:07:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)


Less than one hour into the voting day, multiple problems with the electronic voting machines have arisen. McKinney precinct watchers are reporting machines down already, insecure machines, and at least one 4th Congressional District precinct without McKinney's name on the ballot, but with her opponent's name on it.


Midway Elementary School, at 7:20 am, voter came into vote and went thru the check in procedure, she put the card in the machine and went to the poll manager; the poll manager did not address the issue. The voter left in disgust. The McKinney campaign has the voter's name. And an eyewitness report, too.


At Hooper Alexander, one machine not operational. Another location had to redo the zero report because the machine did not initiate at a zero count. And at yet another location, the voting machine where the voting card is inserted is not secure.


A snake in the bush is easy to fight. But one already in the house becomes a problem!

[bullimiami]

1. and these are just the problems you CAN see.

worse are the tricks you cant see hidden in the software.

[LisaM]

2. If her name is not on some ballots, they may be able to invalidate

the election.

[napi21]

6. Yes, but there's a problem with that. Voters get tired going to the polls

too often in a short time span. I've already talked to quite a few people who weren't going to bother to vote in the run off election. If they invalidate this one, the turn out for yet another one will be so dismal it wouldn't reflect anyone's wishes!

[w4rma]

8. Tough for them. Voters in that area should have fixed this problem.

I'm not really concerned about the extra work that the elections folks (who bought this pile of crap) will have, either.

[rinsd]

3. Nevermind I found a link...its below for anyone interested

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3198

[ixion]

4. what a bunch of crap. If you're ATM card (also DIEBOLD) worked

like this, there's no way in hell that this company would have succeeded. They have the technology to make this work correctly. They're doing it on purpose to introduce plausible denial into the system, IMO.

[deaniac21]

38. Your ATM card doesn't have state employees working on it.

[ixion]

42. true, but the technology that drives ATMs is the same as the

technology that drives voting machines.

If the software that brokers the exchange of cash between you and your bank was the same as the voting machines, you'd have better than a 50/50 shot that your withdrawl would not be recorded.

Has that ever happened to you? It hasn't happened to me.

[deaniac21]

60. My point is the people doing the IT work on the machines are

second rate. The problem is not with the machines or the software.

[ixion]

62. and from what I've read, the software is a major problem

as it only takes about two minutes to hack, change and leave no trail

[deaniac21]

71. You are easily convinced.

[ixion]

107. wow... that's a pretty convincing rebuttal

:+

[deaniac21]

121. I believe any technical discussion here would be hopeless.

Fortunately, I care not what you believe. Conspiracies are fun! :headbang:

[ixion]

134. well, we have that in common

because I care not what you believe, either. :hi:

[deaniac21]

183. The difference being that I'm a CNE, MCNE and am also

certified on Cisco, 3com and Extreme.

[TheFarseer]

154. I have a theory

based on my own observation of many software packages, that new software is needlessly complicated and because of that is basically total sh*t. Give me something with a black background and green letters. At least it freaking works how it's supposed to.

[druidity33]

137. i call bullshit on that one...

It sure as hell is the machines. Have you seen pictures of the paper feed mechanism on the Voter verified ballot machines? What kind of hardware do you imagine is in these machines? Have you seen the guts of one of them? Are you qualified to make that assessment? I tell you they are designed to fail in all the ways that are most important to us...

Visit BradBlog for more details please...

[napi21]

5. I don't live in her dist. and I wouldn't vote for her if I did, BUT this

is absolute BS!

I live in Ga, and we've never had any visible problems in our polling place, and Ga's been using these Dibold machines for several years now. What's with the ongoing problems in certain districts or polling sites?

Are the machines programmed by idiots there?

Doesn't anyone do ANY testing BEFORE the voting begins?


I know many of you think this was an effort to saba toge McKinney, and I wouldn't put it past the opposition, but surely even THEY can't be so stupid as to use such a conspicuous tactic????I just don't believe that.

[Greyhound]

10. Were you around in 2000? The strategy was just as blatantly

crooked, and the SCOTUS didn't even consider it. Why do you think they wouldn't do this?

[napi21]

26. We moved here in July 2000, and yes we voted in that Nov election.

I'm still kicking myself in the a** for voting for Zell! I didn't know any better then. He was the Dem so he got our vote!

I dont recall hearing about things so stupid as not having a candidate's name on the ballot though.

[daa]

37. I received a call from democrat Zell

telling me to vote for his good friend republican Stephens, who paid some huge fine for corruption or ethics. I guess it is still Zig Zag Zell.

[mom cat]

180. And McKinney had the guts to stand up to them.

[Mike Daniels]

25. This ignores one problem - The Repubs would love to have McKinney back

Does anyone honestly think that any signficant portion of people in this country take McKinney seriously? Based on the lack of support she got from her side of the aisle over her "incident", I doubt most of her fellow Democratic Congresspeople give her much thought.

McKinney is the ultimate poster child for Republicans to point to at election time and say "This is the true face of the Democratic party." Why the hell they would want to keep her out of the race is beyond me.

[Ken Burch]

53. It can never be a good thing to defeat a progressive African American

woman.

Especially if that means replacing her with a dishonorable creep who thinks attacking his opponent's hairstyle is a legitimate campaign tactic.

Johnson is not worthy of any decent person's support. And it goes without saying that as a silent freshman he is doomed to uselessness.

[NYCGirl]

56. And McKinney has been such an effective congressperson? NT

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[NYCGirl]

59. You've not offered one scrap of proof of anything you've posted.

Enjoy irrelevancy.

[Ken Burch]

74. Why you want a male conservative who obeys white leaders

to steal this seat is a bonafide mystery of Christ. It has to be a tragedy for all African American women if Cynthia loses. They will know the Democratic Party doesn't care about them anymore.

[NYCGirl]

77. A "mystery of Christ"? That's completely batshit crazy.

:rofl:

[Ken Burch]

84. Are you really that unable to forgive someone who told

an Inconvenient Truth about Al Gore?

[NYCGirl]

86. You mean a smear, don't you? A bald-faced lie. A Rovian lie.

Maybe those conservatives who run McKinney's website have more to do with her, eh?

[Ken Burch]

104. Al Gore's campaign, other than the useless Donna Brazile,

was not a black-friendly campaign. Centrist campaigns that put suburban white voters first can't be.

African Americans voted for Gore because the party gave them no real alternative. But he was never really on their side. DLC people aren't for the dream.

Al's good on the environment, but he's never been and never will be a drum major for justice. And he'll never run again so why bother getting so torqued about what's said about him?

[NYCGirl]

105. See this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2764021&mesg_id=2764873

I'm sure you counted all the African-Americans in Gore's campaign. What you say shows how little you know.

And still he won? Funny how that happens.

Edited to add:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh040606.shtml

[Ken Burch]

109. The Gore campaign was not a pro civil-rights campaign.

It did not in any real sense share the values of the Rainbow Coalition. It got black votes by default. And it showed its unworthiness of those votes after the election when it REFUSED to challenge the unjust disenfranchisement of 80,000 African American voters in Florida.

Don't talk to me about Al and African Americans. He was never really worth their support other than as the lesser evil. Campaigns that put white suburban voters first can't really care about voters of color.

[NYCGirl]

125. Even if what you say had any truth in it at all (and it doesn't), it sure

beats McKinney campaigning with Louis Farrakhan at her side.

[Ken Burch]

126. As far as I know, she's had nothing to do with Farrakhan for years

And you present a false choice.

[rinsd]

128. What about these guys?

"Several people dressed in black suits and boots followed McKinney around wearing patches on their clothes that said: "New Black Panther Party Freedom or Death."

The Anti-Defamation League says on its Web site that The New Black Panther Party "has become the largest organized anti-Semitic black militant group in America." Asked about their presence Saturday, McKinney's campaign manager, John Evans, said the New Black Panthers do not have an official role in McKinney's campaign and are not on her organization's payroll"

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/0807campaign.html

[Ken Burch]

131. Just some guys who followed her around.

And the Black Panthers, whatever else you can say about them, are not morally equivalent with the Nation of Islam.

White violence and white arrogance are what created the Panthers.

And its white arrogance that is the engine of the Johnson campaign.

But don't worry, in a few hours you'll get your way and the 4th District nomination will have been stolen by a meaningless tool of the white party leadership.

It WILL be a defeat for all progressives. No one but Fox News and Karl Rove will be cheering a Johnson victory. No African American woman will.

[slackmaster]

68. Yeah, all African-American women will go GOP if McKinney loses

:eyes:

[Ken Burch]

72. NO, not GOP. They'll just give up.

And no one will ever have the right to ask them to vote Democratic again. A vote for Johnson is a vote against ALL African American women and a vote against idealism and hope. Only bitter old white men really want Johnson to win. No one who still believes in Dr. King's dream does.

[NYCGirl]

73. What a total steaming pile! You should be working for Rove. NT

[rinsd]

78. By god I didn't see it before.

Why do you hate progressive African American women by opposing McKinney is why do you hate America by opposing Bush is why do you hate Jews by opposing Lieberman is...well you get the picture

[Ken Burch]

82. Not the same thing.

What good reason has there ever been for electing Johnson? You're ending the career of a prophet justice because of a meaningless encounter with a racist capital cop.

How can you live with yourself? You know this can't possibly HELP the party.

[T Town Jake]

113. "a prophet justice" - that's hilarious.

"You know this can't possibly HELP the party."

As opposed to re-electing the likes of McKinney? Get real. The ones who will be most upset by McKinney's impending defeat this evening will be the very Republicans who delight in rebroadcasting her outrageous statements and uncouth behavior. She is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party in general and genuine progressives in particular. Thank goodness Johnson is going to win in a walk.

[Ken Burch]

114. Bobby Kennedy would NEVER agree with you on that.

nt.

[T Town Jake]

117. Talked to him lately, have you? How IS the seance business these days?

(n/t)

[Ken Burch]

119. Bobby never would've worked to defeat a progressive African American

female. He wasn't capable of being THAT much of a heartless, cynical bastard.

[T Town Jake]

122. Robert Kennedy wasn't fond of loons of any stripe. So I'm pretty confident

...that he'd be endorsing Johnson in this situation.

[oasis]

127. Johnson performed like a dopey clown in the debate. What a joke.

Did you see the debate?

[T Town Jake]

146. That "dopey clown" is now Congressman-elect:

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/2006_0808/02002.htm

Read it and weep - I'm celebrating.

[oasis]

147. Caution: You've just bought yourself a lemon, milage may vary.

:rofl:

[T Town Jake]

148. Sez you - but whatever the case we've also shed ourselves of a loon...

...and that's a good thing for the Democratic Party.

[oasis]

151. An activist for a cardboard cutout excuse for a Dem. Good trade if

you're in no hurry to move forward.:think:

[T Town Jake]

155. Cry me a river....

:rofl:

[oasis]

156. I'm here to help Dems.No sweat off my rear end if a few drive off a cliff.

Enjoy the ride.:nopity:

[T Town Jake]

158. "I'm here to help Dems"...Great! Then I'm sure you'll be getting behind...

...Johnson post-haste!

Uh-huh...keep dribbling tears, weepy. ...(snicker)...

[Ken Burch]

161. Only Republicans are celebrating the Johnson win...

A prophet will be replaced by a drone.

It's enough that Johnson will be elected by default. None of us will help the GOP guy.

[Critters2]

163. He's the Dem candidate now

and on DU that's who we support. Enough of the sour grapes.

[Ken Burch]

164. Fine, I'll endorse him.

He wasn't going to lose to the GOP this fall anyway. I wasn't saying defeat him then.

You got what you wanted. Have the decency not to brag about something this ugly.

[Critters2]

167. How is the nomination of an African-American Dem

ugly?

[T Town Jake]

168. Horseshit. Genuine Democrats are rejoicing at McKinney's defeat...

...while the only posters here bitching and moaning about the outcome are those with the scent of Fresno on them, and therefore extremely suspect. Especially after this "class act" by the duly defeated:

http://www.11alive.com/specials/local/decision2006/decision_article.aspx?storyid=83138

I'm sure you're chock-full of good reasons for it, just as there were plenty of excuses flying about from folks like you for why McKinney was justified in slapping a cop just trying to do his job ...(snicker)...

Peddle it elsewhere, weepy.

[Ken Burch]

169. "the scent of Fresno"?

WTF?

[Ken Burch]

87. No, you should be.

Rove wants Johnson to win so African American women will give up all hope. Rove wants the party to alienate half our strongest group of supporters.

There is no such thing as a progressive case for defeating Cynthia Mckinney. There is no such thing as a non-racist case either.

Anyone to her right has to be a defeat for the party's soul.

[NYCGirl]

90. LOL!

:rofl:

[Ken Burch]

93. She was right about Gore.

And she doesn't deserve to lose for saying something critical about a person who will never be a candidate again.

The Democratic Party does not need to silence progressive African American women and replace them in congress with bland obedient Toms.

[NYCGirl]

96. You're a scream!

:rofl:

Yeah, Gore's so much of a racist he chartered planes and went himself to airlift people from hospitals in New Orleans.

[beaconess]

139. I won't give up hope if McKinney loses

Give us black women a little more credit. We're not nearly as pathetic as you seem to think we are.

I want McKinney defeated. Does that make me a racist?

[Ken Burch]

145. Why?

What did she ever do to you?

And how can you support a man who sees attacking McKinney's HAIRSTYLE as a legitimate campaign tactic?

well...enjoy the conservative sellout you got tonight...somewhere Dr. King is weeping.

[nam78_two]

185. Jeebus!

>>Anyone to her right has to be a defeat for the party's soul.

Mckinney? The same McKinney that thinks 9/11 was an "inside job"? :eyes:
The same McKinney that accused Al Gore of being a racist? :eyes:

That McKinney? Yeah a real big loss to the democratic party :sarcasm:

I am glad to see her go and I am a colored woman.

http://www.slate.com/?id=2064530

I don't particularly like Suellenthrope but everything in that piece is true and McKinney is one scary lady-good riddance!!!

Give real progressive politics a chance-clean house of the Liebermans and McKinneys...
(and ideally anti-environment twerps like Daniel Akaka and Daniel Inouye).
Good job Dems :) :headbang:




Gore 2008! Gore Gore Gore!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


(If she got Diebolded however thats a serious issue...I don't like her at all and from what I have heard she would have lost Diebold or not, but thats a serious problem in the election system regardless and should be investigated)

[Ken Burch]

115. And what a thoughtful and eloquent response...

BTW, are you dating MrBenchley? he sounds like your kinda guy.

[slackmaster]

75. Sounds like blackmail to me

No pun intended.

[Ken Burch]

124. And none heard. Puns require thought and result in humor.

Neither occurred in the phrase above.

Seriously, how can the party ever again ask African American women to believe we are on their side if we turf Cynthia out? Give me one good reason to believe that African American women will ever trust the Dems again?

[slackmaster]

135. You're killing me here, please stop it

That you could have the idea that African-American women are all of one mind is boggling mine.

[rinsd]

187. Wait it gets better

Introducing Hank Johnson's Republican opponent, Catherine Davis



McKinney had her for breakfast in 2004. Johnson will likely do the same.

[rinsd]

80. "No one who still believes in Dr. King's dream does"

Glad to see that despite reports to the contrary, irony is not dead.

[Ken Burch]

108. NO IRONY. I'M RIGHT.

The defeat of Cynthia has to be a defeat for all who care about peace, social justice and the values of the civil rights movement. It can have no positive consequences.

Obedient, silent freshmen can never have progressive achievements. Only the rebels and the prophets can.

I will always feel uncomfortable anytime white male politicians gang up on an African American woman. Can no one understand why that is a bad thing?

[SaveElmer]

83. Here's one of the "bitter" men...

Civil Rights hero John Lewis




Here is the "bitter" man getting his ass kicked in Selma in 1965 by Police thugs




Here is this "bitter" mans prior acquaintance

[Ken Burch]

98. She spoke out against Bush and Cheney when all the white male

Dems were being good Germans.

She was the only real voice for the poor and powerless in Congress during the Bush years. The others basically shut up and cut cynical deals.

I just don't want to see a progressive idealist defeated and replaced by someone whose victory will be celebrated on Fox News. Is that so hard to understand.

A McKinney loss has to be a tragedy for the progressive cause. There's no way anything positive can come from it.

[Ken Burch]

103. In many ways, yes.

She effectively spoke out for the poor and the powerless when the rest of the party abandoned them.

She opposed the war when most of the rest of the party went along blindly.

We need our prophets, our heroes, our risk-takers and champions for justice.

We know Johnson can never be any of the above.

You want to elect a bland, obedient drone who obeys the leadership without question, you do that. But don't dare pretend it's a good thing for anyone but conservative white men.

[welshTerrier2]

7. if true, what remedy?

in my view, if a candidate's name was omitted from the ballot, the party should try to stop the election ... would this require the intervention of a court?

and should only the affected district schedule a make-up election or should the whole election be a "do over"?

oh, and, it goes without saying that all the elections officials should be immediately executed ... how the hell could this not have been noticed before the polls opened? there's just no excuse for that ...

[Constitution]

11. True. Someone needs to get a TRO immediately.

[rinsd]

12. Unless the charges are bullshit

And considering McKinney's campaign's crying foul before and then not following up(see the last primary, there were all kinds of lawsuit threats....didn't happen)I willing to wait and see.

[welshTerrier2]

16. fair enough ...

i have no issue with a thorough investigation to obtain the facts ...

as my subject line stated: "if true" ...

[rinsd]

18. No I understand what you are saying

To be honest and answer your original question, I am unsure what the remedy would be beyond a provisional ballot.

I haven't heard of ballots not including a candidate's name especially an incumbent.

Could it be this voter was unaware of the re-districting and is no longer in district 4?

It never ceases to amaze me how much trouble people have voting, no matter what the system. Take myself for example. I have voted about 2 to 3 times a year for 4 years at the same place. And yet I get in the wrong line (we have 2 precincts at the same bldg) almost everytime and have to be redirected after poll workers dutifully look for my info and can't find it. I have seen people mark one side of a ballot and turn it in. My neighbor did this two years ago and only discovered her mistake when we were discussing the propositions(CA has about a million props for every election) and she had no idea what we were talking about. We also had a major issue in San Diego a few years ago when thousands of people wrote in Donna Frye but didn't fill in the bubble even though her campaign had been telling everyone that.

[napi21]

27. Boy, do I agree with you on THAT!

I'm also constantly amazed at how many people accidentally screw up a simple ballot! I'm not talking about the butterfly ballot. I can actually see how those mistakes could happen, but other simple things, like making a check mark instead of filling in the bubble, or voting for a Prez, and a VP on 2 separate lines.

Why do so many people seem to TRY to make the process more difficult than it really is????

[rinsd]

31. Hey we all make mistakes sometimes

That of course doesn't say that fraud is non existent.

Far from it but people go apeshit about stuff like a ballot place not being opened preciously on time (6am) when its volunteers who do this stuff for zero pay and even fewer thanks.

Even if we went to paper ballots people would still do dumb things like cross out the name they do not want and other simply goofy stuff.

[laugle]

66. Hey WT, can't they just

write her name in??????

[Constitution]

9. McKinney is Bush's number one target this year. Her loss is Bush's win

Why weren't the Democrats on top of this? 2000 and 2004 were stolen. They rigged the primary to reduce her victory to a plurality. There should have been police and guards in the polling precincts when they opened to make sure this wouldn't happen.

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. Who is Bush's #2 target?

:shrug:

Bush probably loves having McKinney around. Her antics serve to distract the media from his problems.

[Mike Daniels]

30. Yep. The Reps would love to have McKinney in the fall elections

Just show McKinney's "finer" moments in a commerical and find a way to imply that her views and attitudes are shared by the Republican candidates' opponents.

If a race was up for grabs I'd bet $ to donuts that a commerical like that could swing the vote to the Republican.

[Ken Burch]

123. Anyone who'd be persuaded by such an add would already be

straight-ticket Repuke. Certainly it couldn't impress anyone who had any progressive views on anything.

[Constitution]

44. Dennis Kucinich. He's pretty hard to go after because of his popularity

But they're trying their best.

[Constitution]

49. I hope the voters complaints and their phone calls will make a difference

But Bush has stolen so many elections and he's gotten away with all the thefts.

[Freddie Stubbs]

174. What exactly did Bush do to go after his #2 target?

:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

118. Republicans just love the dreary antiSemitic loony

""We should send somebody over to thank her," Rep. David Dreier (R-Calif.) said as he left the room.
They should send flowers and chocolates, too. Democrats were just beginning to dream about the possibility of taking control of the House in the November elections as GOP unity collapsed over spending, immigration, Iraq and lobbying scandals. Then McKinney had her dust-up with the cops and responded with a charge of racial profiling.
House Republicans were grateful for the gift."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/05/AR2006040502207_pf.html

[dbonds]

13. Where is this information from?

I see the header with:

Forwarded Message:
Subj: McKinney Dispatches: Less than an hour into voting, My name is not on the ballot--opponent's is
Date: 8/8/2006 5:07:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)

the to and from email address the same. Why?

Also your profile says CA, so where did you get this.

[rinsd]

17. I asked the same question

I googled and found that BradBlog was reporting on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2764021&mesg_id=2764038

[Cocoa]

19. it's from the Internets

[NoPasaran]

20. It wouldn't be on the Internets if it wasn't true

Would it?
:sarcasm:

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. This is so blatant.

[welshTerrier2]

21. so far, no mention on WSB-TV from Atlanta

here's a story on WSB's website about the primary ... it was sourced to the AP and was updated just a few minutes ago ... if the story is true, we should be getting some kind of credible reporting very soon ... let's be careful before jumping to conclusions ...

maybe there should be a DU prize to the first DU'er to be able to prove these allegations ...

source: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9644690/detail.html

Polls Open For Runoff Election

POSTED: 6:18 am EDT August 8, 2006
UPDATED: 1:05 pm EDT August 8, 2006

ATLANTA -- Georgia election officials expect only ten percent to 13 percent of registered voters to show up for today's runoff elections.

But turnout is expected to be highest in Cynthia McKinney's district, where the six-term congresswoman faces a serious challenge.

McKinney, the first black woman elected to Congress from Georgia, failed to get enough votes three weeks ago to avoid the runoff and now faces Hank Johnson, an attorney and former DeKalb County Commissioner who came within 1,700 votes of McKinney in the Democratic primary.

The district just east of Atlanta accounted for more than one out of every eight voters who cast ballots during early voting last week. The Secretary of State's Office says that out of about 30,000 early voters, almost 4,000 were in McKinney's district.

Officials predict that about half as many voters will show up for the runoffs than those who voted in the July 18 primaries, where 22 percent of the state's 4.2 million voters turned out.

[EndElectoral]

22. Why does this crap never happen to Repubs

[slackmaster]

29. We don't know that it doesn't

People are a lot less likely to complain about voting problems when they are happy with the outcome.

[OneBlueSky]

23. McKinney has no chance . . . none . . .

BushCo doesn't want her to win, so she won't . . .

and this should serve as a lesson for November . . . BushCo is fully capable of stacking the election to ensure that the Dems take neither the House nor the Senate . . . it's very likely a done deal, in fact . . .

don't be fooled by the polls . . . BushCo still counts the votes, and that's what counts . . . game, set and match to the Repugs . . .

[NoPasaran]

24. Right. Bushco still counts the votes, even in the Dem primary

Some people need to come back to the reality-based community.

[tomp]

171. if they control the machines they do.

who needs the reality check?

[slackmaster]

28. A candidate's name not appearing on the ballot in ONE precinct

Could just be a mistake.

However, it is entertaining to watch people knee-jerk amplify every glitch and annoyance and error into a grand conspiracy.

[Ken Burch]

51. It should pretty much invalidate the election.

It can't be a legitimate outcome if anyone who goes to the polls is denied the chance to vote for the candidate of her or his choice.

[slackmaster]

64. Don't they have provisional paper ballots available?

There must always be some kind of backup system in place in case the primary fails.

Same would be true for a paper-based primary - Out of all the different versions it's not a realistic expectation to have zero instances of typographical errors, etc. discovered at the last minute.

[Critters2]

162. It turns out that the people complaining that her name wasn't

on the ballot didn't live in her district. Or asked for Republican ballots. No conspiracy here.

[slackmaster]

177. Will we see a retraction from the anonymous "Internet" source?

I won't hold my breath waiting.

[Critters2]

184. As my grandmother used to say

"I wouldn't wait sitting on a hot stove"

[tomp]

172. dismissing problems with diebold?

that's an un-conspiracy theory. knee-jerk assumption of wrongdoing from politicians is history-based and the safest way to go.

[TheVirginian]

32. Didn't McKinney cry wolf about the first primary election, too?

[oasis]

35. Do you know the recent history of elections in Georgia?

[TheVirginian]

40. You mean the claims that Majette really defeated Isakson, who won by 18?

[oasis]

45. 2002:Max Cleland/Saxby Chambliss. (n/t)

[greccogirl]

43. Yes she did.

I'm sorry but this is Cynthia's SOP. She knows she has a good chance to lose, all through her own doing so she must make some desperate attempt to hang on. It isn't going to work, I'm pretty sure.

[SaveElmer]

33. The Congresswoman who cried Wolf...

Any claims coming from the McKinney campaign have to be taken with many, many grains of salt, given their tendency toward hyperbole, false charges, and distortions...

And do you really think that the method those "conspiring" against her would choose leaving her name off the ballot as the weapon of choice! Give me a break!

That's like a bank robber calling the police to give them the time and place of the bank robbery!

[rinsd]

36. Ohhhh former cries courtesey McKinney propagnda org APN

http://atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0072.html

"McKinney’s campaign showed APN a stack of affidavits from who they say are traumatized voters. APN hopes to interview some of these voters very soon and bring you the details."

No follow up from APN, no lawsuit by the McKinney campaign. I don't think even a formal complaint was lodged with the SOS.

[greccogirl]

46. "Traumatized" voters?

McKinney is unbelievable..............

[NYCGirl]

50. I was pretty "traumatized" by the outcome of the 2004 Presidential

election. I had no idea I could sue for it!
:evilgrin:

[rinsd]

54. Well that would be outcome vs. process.

I think you would have a better case :evilgrin:

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

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[rinsd]

52. "dishonorable, sexist pro-war creep"

If continuing hurling feces like the above constitutes proof, I guess you're right.

What do you think about McKinney threatening to pull a lieberman and go indy if she loses?

[Ken Burch]

57. I don't think she should. But, unlike Ned Lamont

it goes without saying that Johnson's victory cannot be legitimate, especially with the vote tampering we are already seeing.

You must really hate progressive African American women who don't know their place. You probably think Angela Davis shoulda got the chair.

[rinsd]

61. Yes, opposing McKinney = racist. We've got the meme.

:eyes:

[SaveElmer]

55. McKinney's SOP...

Is to cry racism or fraud whenever something doesn't go her way or she does or says something stupid in public (which is a regular occurrence with her)...

No reason to think this is any different!

[Ken Burch]

79. You know a Johnson win has to be a defeat for all African AMerican women

How can you deny it?

YOu know no women will celebrate if Johnson wins.

You know no one who cares about progressive politics or poverty or peace really wants Johnson. Why deny it?

The whole Johnson campaign was created by the DLC and the GOP. No one who wept when King died will vote for him. They simply couldn't.

Enjoy losing the votes of every African American woman in the country. Enjoy moving the party permanently to the right. Enjoy defeating hope and idealism.

[rinsd]

85. What is the name of the planet you are currently on?

You may have to retreat to it when your idol loses her job and I want to know where to send your Vote for Hank Johnson bumper sticker for the coming November election.

That is unless you want a white republican to win.

[Ken Burch]

91. If I lived in the district I'd vote for Johnson in the fall.

Committee chairs justify some abandonment of principle.

But you have to admit Johnson can never do anything that matters once he's elected. And you know everyone will basically forget he's there.

Johnson will never be a global symbol of hope, and clearly can have no ideals.

He'll be bland, silent and obedient.

[rinsd]

92. Thta's probably as good as it will get. And I will take it. (nt)

[NYCGirl]

94. Check out these great pictures

of the man who "can never do anything that matters"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2764021&mesg_id=2764845

[Ken Burch]

101. Fine, John Lewis sold out to the white leadership. So What?

Lewis, who I do respect for the man he used to be, also sold out and supported Sam Nunn for president in the Eighties.

None of this says anything positive about Johnson.

[Joe the Revelator]

133. You've got to be kidding me...

I was able to deal with your disgusting racist preformance in this thread, but saying that John Lewis sold out? Give me a break.

[Ken Burch]

136. There's no other explanation.

You can't work for the defeat of an African American female progressive for any other reason.

Lewis was great back in the day. That was then.

[Joe the Revelator]

141. Apparently...

you but a lot more into the color of skin then I do. McKinng was bad for the party, no matter what color she was, and I will happily support an intelligent, progressive African American Male. It's sad to know that you will not.

[Ken Burch]

143. He's clearly to McKinney's right...

He supports the reactionary "FairTax" proposals in Georgia, is against an Iraq pullout date(which means the deaths of African American troops in his district will be on his hands), and received heavy Republican support in his district.

Johnson will win by default in the fall then spend his term in obedient obscurity. He will never give a speech that anyone will remember. He will never take a courageous stand on anything. He'll be bland and unknown.

I looked at Johnson's website throughout the campaign and he had no other message but "Cynthia McKinney must be beaten". That's not a start that can lead to anything positive. It would have been different if he was FOR anything at all rather than simply being the focus for the political mugging of an African American political hero. Johnson will fill a seat and that's about all.

You guys got what you wanted, now quietly zip up your flies and leave.
You have no right to expect any non-reactionaries to be happy about this.

[riskplayer2006]

181. Yes there is.

Yes you can. Corruption, incompetence, assault of a federal officer. Or can you not critisize Mrs. McKinney because she's black, where a white congresswoman would be fair game. It seems as if you want to treat one person better than another because of their race. I think there's a word for that. Oh, yeah, it's "racism."

[TheVirginian]

63. Oh, the race card. I'm sure no one saw *that* coming.

[LittleClarkie]

67. Where do you see pro-war on his website

he looks to be agin it near as I can tell

[rinsd]

69. He doesn't appear to be for immediate withdraw

That is where this talking point comes from, after going thru the partisan mutation process of course.

[LittleClarkie]

70. Anti-immediate withdrawl hardly puts him on a par with the likes of

Lieberman or Clinton, who really are pro-war.

[rinsd]

88. No it doesn't.

But who needs facts and reasoned analysis when rheotric will suffice.

[AtomicKitten]

149. Such epic BS.

Hillary is not pro-war. She signed onto the phased withdrawal Dem resolution.

I was under the impression you were smarter than to echo this mindless propaganda.

Jeez, was I wrong about you.

[Ken Burch]

76. He's against a pull out date. That means he's an Afro-Lieberman.

nt.

[LincolnMcGrath]

81. That means he's an Afro-Lieberman.

:rofl: :hi:

[NYCGirl]

89. With McKinney threatening to go Indy if she loses, she has a lot more

in common with Lieberman than anyone.

[LincolnMcGrath]

95. Attributing the words of her father to her is beneath even you.

Looking over the content of the rest of your contributions in this thread, it isn't surprising though.

[rinsd]

100. Ummm her father wrote an op-ed stating she would go indy if she loses

http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/views/0014-views.html

Do you really think he didn't get his daughter's blessing for this on the eve of the election?

[LincolnMcGrath]

102. My father doesn't speak for me.

Neither does the GOP Senator in the family.

Not that my father or the undistinguished gentleman are bad guys necessarily, they just don't speak for me.

[rinsd]

106. Are you completely unaware of the concept of surrogates and trial ballons?

You do realize the first one to broach in public the Joe-Indymentum was a friend urging him to do so, not himself.

This is different from say Bill McKinney's comments post election 2002 about the jews. While I generally don't consider the apple to fall far from the tree, I don't think its necessarily fair to attack her with those comments.

But an op-ed in an extremely supportive media environment? Oh yeah, I have few doubts her campaign okayed it.

[LincolnMcGrath]

110. Ballon?

The flask used in alchemy?

or

The dance move?

[rinsd]

111. A spelling mistake? Tsk tsk, surely you can do better.

[LincolnMcGrath]

112. I would like to kindly refer you to post #95

[rinsd]

120. All that will do is take us in a circle.

Do you believe that Bill McKinney wrote that op-ed in a media outlet unbelievibly friendly to McKinney without her knowledge and blessing?

It's fine to say no. I will disagree but at least we will be reading the same book if not on the same page.

[T Town Jake]

142. I would like to kindly refer you to this reality:

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/2006_0808/02002.htm

I'm sure you'll want to join me, McGrath, in extending an hearty congratulations to Congressman-elect Johnson, seeing as how he won the Democratic primary and all....

[AtomicKitten]

150. I guess you didn't get the memo NYCGirl.

Lieberman is an asshole for running as an independent, but it's okay for McKinney.

You really need to try harder to keep up with the shared-brain mindset here at DU. It apparently makes perfect sense to someone and all the rest just acquiesce.

[NYCGirl]

153. Ahhhhh! It's making my head hurt!! It's that ol' double standard at work.

:banghead:

[nam78_two]

186. I love the picture in your sig. Atomic Kitten

Gore 2008

:bounce: :bounce::bounce:

Honestly is there no way to get that wonderful wonderful man to run in 2008?

Regarding McKinney's comments on Gore's racism...funny but I seem to remember Gore being there in New Orleans, helping people, saving lives-didn't he go down there and get around 300 people airlifted out of there after Katrina...
Yeah...Al Gore's racism sticks out like sore thumb :eyes:!

[LittleClarkie]

97. That's hardly the same as being pro-Iraq War

and does not put him on a par with Lieberman and Hillary, as they are PRO-Iraq War. He is not. He's just not an "out now" person.

[Ken Burch]

99. Hairsplitting.

The other thing is, what message does it send when we defeat our prophets and those who spoke out when no one else would?

How can it ever be a good thing to replace an orator and a global hero with an obedient drone?

And how, if this happens, can we ever ask African American women to support our party again. You know every single one of them will take Cynthia's defeat as a personal affront.

How can anyone but Karl Rove want this to happen?

[AtomicKitten]

152. purveyor of propaganda

Love the way you mesh Hillary with Lieberman. Really, I mean it.

I think Karl Rove has a job for you

[greguganus]

132. Afro-Lieberman? LMAO n/t

[riskplayer2006]

182. Or...

...it means that he might know something about running a counterinsurgency.

[Hemperor]

34. you cant trust ordinary people to set up and run voting machines

those men in the jumpsuits and earpieces over there can handle ALL maintenance ;-)

[Constitution]

39. Something needs to be done to stop the theft of her seat.

Any suggestions?

[TheVirginian]

47. Well, they could try...

They could try getting a paranoia-crazed liberal base to make wild accusations about vote tampering and fraud that's guaranteed to keep McKinney's name in the papers for another couple of weeks and further fuel her self-martyrdom and aggrandizement.

[slackmaster]

65. Or how about marching in the streets until the count comes out her way?

Either way would get the job done.

[Critters2]

165. I suggest getting people from outside her district or party

to complain that her name wasn't on their ballots. That oughta do it.

[Constitution]

41. kick

[Constitution]

116. kick

[Imagevision]

129. WTF?!! how can this be happening????

[NYCGirl]

130. Even Rawstory can't find anything to the claims:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/McKinney_campaign_claims_name_left_off_0808.html

Earlier, another member of his election committee reported receiving a call that "neither of the candidates names was on a ballot."

Seeking to resolve these and similar issues, Sinkule said that it appears that most of the controversies involve people who couldn’t find Rep. McKinney on their ballots because they mistakenly believed they were in her district, or because they had registered to vote as Republicans. This does not seem to address the specific claim that fourth district ballots listed Johnson, but not McKinney.

Addressing a different allegation, she noted that, at one polling place, voting booths had been moved, but that this was done on-site with adequate signage to prevent incidences of confusion.

[beaconess]

140. Then RawStory has turned into a racist, sexist, pro-war propaganda tool

:sarcasm:

[Critters2]

166. Everyone is

except Cynthia. God bless her.

[Critters2]

160. They didn't live in her district or they were Republicans

And McKinney calls that fraud.

When is it enough?

[BrklynLiberal]

138. kick

[T Town Jake]

144. Congratulations Congressman-elect Johnson!

...and thank you for rescuing us from an ongoing embarrassment.

[WildEyedLiberal]

157. Wow, the racism in this thread is making me puke

So if everyone who opposed McKinney is racist and hates black women, I guess everyone who opposed Lieberman is an anti-semite neonazi.

EXACT same logic. EXACT same disgusting sleazy insinuations of bigotry. EXACT same bullshit I would expect from Rove.

:puke:

[RSMS9999]

159. dangerous

shouting election fraud for as many elections as possible no matter what the "evidence" is, only futher aids the claim that allegations of voting fraud are only part of the "fringe left". If you group serius, proven cases of fraud such as Ohio in with wild claims from Mckinney, it just hurts the hope that justive will be reached.

[tomp]

173. wild claims from McKinney?

they MAY be wild but you don't know that, do you?

[beaconess]

175. I wonder how the McKinney apologists will explain

that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Maxine Waters weren't in Georgia to provide support to McKinney - they were in Connecticut with Ned Lamont.

I guess that means that Lamont's supporters are racist, sexist pawns of the right - how else to explain why they supported him but not McKinney?!

[Laha]

170. Showing off my ignorance here..

But when something like this happens;
Less than one hour into the voting day, multiple problems with the electronic voting machines have arisen. McKinney precinct watchers are reporting machines down already, insecure machines, and at least one 4th Congressional District precinct without McKinney's name on the ballot, but with her opponent's name on it.

Midway Elementary School, at 7:20 am, voter came into vote and went thru the check in procedure, she put the card in the machine and went to the poll manager; the poll manager did not address the issue. The voter left in disgust. The McKinney campaign has the voter's name. And an eyewitness report, too.

Why can you not call the police? If I went to vote and encountered problems like these, I wouldn't leave the polling station until both the police and the media were informed, and pictures taken of the offending issues. And if they wouldn't allow me to call the police there, I would kick up such a fuss that you can be damn sure the police would be called anyway. This isn't right. How are they getting away with it?

Edited for spelling

[slackmaster]

176. The people who rig elections are very clever indeed

They never do anything in a polling place where someone who is capable of and assertive enough to alert the police and the media might happen to be present.

Fiendish bastages, I tell you!

[enfield collector]

178. this is why President Clinton must appoint her to a senior cabinet

post in 2009.

[slackmaster]

179. Amen to that!

:toast:

[nebula]

188. What were the pre-voting and exit polling results?

I believe those are a couple of critical factors when determining if fraud has taken place.

But of course, the article makes no mention of it.

Any one have the info?

[The Magistrate]

189. Locking

This has become a terminal flame-war.