EMAIL... How To Deal With Peace Activists!!! From A Former Classmate Who

[ChiciB1]

still lives near Ft. Hood, TX where I grew up and graduated from High School. What I found most disgusting was that I recently attended a meeting with 45 OTHER Democrats and we had discussed how we would deal with this kind of Repuke. We decided to approach them on issues that we "agreed" upon and then have a discussion on how to "solve" the problem! This is SO NOT how we felt we should handle the situation. So I ask you, how do you deal with this kind of "stuck on stupid" mentality???

Personally, I plan to just IGNORE & DELETE the email after I send it to my like-minded friends. I won't send it to those who disagree with me because it's kind of hateful.

Subject: How to deal with Peace Activist

As the War against terrorism continues, many of us will encounter "Peace
Activists." These activists may be alone or in a gathering. Most of us do
not know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or
one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a
conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They
will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people
who did this to us; we will only bring on more violence. They will
probably use many arguments, ranging from political- to religious- to
humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the
nose.

3. When the person gets up off the ground, they will be very angry and
they may try to hit you so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings
about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell
them if they are committed to a complete nonviolent approach to
undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a
solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what
they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are
correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much
harder - square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2 - 5 until the desired results are obtained and the
person realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

[madame defarge]

1. If anyone lays a hand on me...

I'll have that person arrested for assault & battery & I'll sue his/her ass for everything they got...peacefully of course. I would never hit back, but I would call the cops immediately & have witnesses to the event.

[pooja]

4. then donate money to a peace org.

[madame defarge]

40. Great idea! n/t

[thom1102]

9. absolutely!

[pooja]

2. there are no words for the idiocy of these people

[xmas74]

3. When they get to step two

calmly pull out your cell phone, call the police and press charges against them. Then get a restraining order and have fun.

And take them to court to sue for any medical expenses for being punched in the nose. That's $200 on my HMO just for the ER visit,not to mention any medications. And if my nose is broken I'll want it fixed, so that could be thousands of dollars if I need to have plastic surgery to get my old nose back, plus any time off of work.

I'm now hoping someone follows through w/ this stupid email. There is money to be made by fools like this!

[democrat_patriot]

5. Let's see - Punch nose VS. Cluster bombing children.

Punch nose VS. Bombing an orphanage

Punch nose VS. Men screaming as their flesh burns.

Those "War Activists" are kind of stupid.

[Mz Pip]

6. Using that analogy

to compare to the current situation it would go like this:

Someone comes up to you and punches you in the face without warning.

You look at him, stick out your tongue and some other guy to kick the shit out of. Guy #1 walks away, guy #2 is now pissed because he didn't do anything to you in the first place. Guy #3, 4 & 5 who used to be your friends won't hang out with you anymore. You feel self righteous and powerful.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ComerPerro]

28. Pro-war people won't assault you, because

they are too chickenshit to do anything themselves.

They will get someone else to do it, and brag about how much they support what that person does.

[meegbear]

7. Subject: How to deal with War Supporter

As the War against terrorism continues, many of us will encounter "War
Supporter." These activists may be alone or in a gathering. Most of us do
not know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or
one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. They will listen politely while this person explains their views. They may
strike up a conversation, if necessary, and look very interested in your ideas.
Tell them how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this
to us; we will only bring on more violence. Use many arguments, ranging from
political- to religious- to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, they will punch you in
the nose.

3. When you get up off the ground, you will be very angry and they may try to
hit you again so be careful.

4. They will very quickly and calmly remind you that violence only brings about
more violence and remind you of their stand on this matter. They will tell
you if you are committed to a complete nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks,
you would turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. They will tell you they
must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. I think for a moment and then agree that they are correct.

6. As soon as you do that, punch him in the nose. Continue punching, kicking and
beating this person until they are a bloody mess on the ground. Explain to them
that the Bush doctirne of attacking a perceived enemy and making them completely
helpless to attack others does make perfect sense. Give them a warm 'Thank You'
and walk away.

[ChiciB1]

17. Funny! But I'm NOT Taking The Bait!

I'll just turn and walk away.... they'll have to come after me first, then if they attack I'll have file an "aggravated assault" report!

For just a moment after I received this email.... THAT is what I wanted to reply. But I thought better of it. Why should I lower myself to their level???

[IndependentVoice]

8. Then after you have been punched several times, call the police

Lets see if they are still laughing once they are in prison for battering. Seems when they cannot find an arguing point they have to resort to violence as the only means to solve their problems. Explains the war.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Number one,

if they assaulted me, and there were no police around, I'd not be stupid enough to get up again. Anyone who has watched non-violent people at demonstrations know that is what you are to do.

My next step would be to call the police and have the person arrested for assault. I'm sure that even in my neck of the woods, someone doing this and causing harm (such as a bloody nose) would be arrested and go to trial. After his conviction, I would then sue him in civil court, and would give the monetary award to peace groups. If possible, I'd get him on Judge Judy so that he would be publicly lambasted by that famous jurist-after all, even freepers watch that show!

My third step, taken as soon as the fellow had charges placed against him, would be to find out if he has any links to local repukes. I'd make sure that everyone in the county would know that this is how repukes think problems should be solved-with photos, if available. I'd go at it from the idea that everyone has a right to talk with someone without being assaulted.

So, Mr. Emailer, you can see that if you follow your plan, you'll find that you will be supporting and encouraging those of us who wish for peace.

[The Deacon]

11. This Is What Passes For Humor In Certain Circles

But to show their ignorance, being a pacifist (which I am) does not preclude being a martial artist (which I am.) Not only would I have them arrested for assault after they attempted #2, but they would be going to jail (probably) with a broken elbow - which is the injury which usually happens to people when the momentum of swinging at my nose (which isn't there by the time their fist reaches that point) carries them over my carefully positioned leg & onto the sidewalk at full force. And this is perfectly consistent with my pacifism - the only way for you to get hurt is by offering me violence, the energy of which I direct away from myself.

[unpossibles]

13. funny. I said almost the same thing n/t

[unpossibles]

12. morans.

I would love to see someone try that - they assume that to protest an unjust war is to be a pacifist, which is not necessarily true.

Also, I detest fighting and will avoid it/disarm it at almost any cost and if I have to fight, end it as quickly as possible while removing their desire to continue the fight.

In other words, if someone were to swing at my face without warning, they would find they have a broken arm: simply the best way to stop a fight immediately and remove threat of them wanting to hit you back/again. It also tends to work even if they have friends backing them up, and is 100% self-defense in that I would not swing at them, merely do it while blocking. I would prefer to just subdue someone, but that doesn't work if they have buddies jumping on your back while you do so.

But honestly, I have almost always been able to stop fights without violence, and much prefer that route.

either way, those people are morons.

[The Deacon]

20. Yes

I usually try to appeal to their higher brain functions first - for instance, I often use the phrase: "You know nothing about me - why would you assume you have any hope of surviving this experience?" (The first attempt at a hit I usually just avoid - amazing how much people telegraph a punch.) Haven't been in a fight since I was thirteen - though a number of drunks in a number of bars have tried.

[unpossibles]

23. lol. drunks tend to telegraph even more

I agree it is amusing (to me) to not be where they thought I was.... although sometimes that makes them angrier.

I also find psychological confusion - like your question - works well. Eventually they think you're crazy and not worth bothering with (ie: they chicken out).

[Mabus]

14. Berhanu v. Metzger

Ask your little hatemonger if they like their house, car and their freedom.

If you encourage people to commit violence, instruct them how to do it and then they actually do it, you might be liable to anyone that your minions harm. Berhanu v. Metzger, http://www.splcenter.org/legal/docket/files.jsp?cdrID=11


This might make them wake up a little bit:

On November 12, 1988, skinheads from the Portland Oregon group, East Side White Pride, attacked three Ethiopian immigrants with a baseball bat and steel-toed boots. One of the immigrants - Mulugeta Seraw - was killed. Investigation into the murder resulted in three convictions and revealed close connections between the skinhead gang and White Aryan Resistance.

Among the most critical of these links was a letter to the skinheads signed by Metzger, stating in part: "Soon you will meet Dave Mazzella, our national vice-president, who will be in Portland to teach you how we operate and to help you understand more about WAR…." In fact, Mazzella did instruct the gang - including how to attack people of color. He would later explain that "Tom Metzger said the only way to get respect from skinheads is to teach them how to commit violence against blacks, against Jews, Hispanics, any minority. The word will spread, and they'll know our group is one you can respect."

In the end, Mazzella was not charged in connection with the murder, and he later became a key witness in the lawsuit against Metzger brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center, along with the Anti-Defamation League, on behalf of the Seraw family. (Mazzella also contacted the Anti-Defamation League in an effort to formally renounce his racist beliefs along with his ties to the Metzgers). Mazzella revealed that while he had been a WAR member, he had cased ADL's Los Angeles regional office several times, planning to blow it up.

The jury ultimately awarded $12.5 million in damages to the Seraw family ($5 million from WAR; $3 million from Tom Metzger; $4 million from John Metzger; $500,000 from two of the murderers). Upheld on appeal in April 1993, the judgment was one of the largest civil verdicts of its kind in United States history. Metzger's assets - including his home - were seized to help compensate the Seraw family. (The damages may never be paid in full, but WAR's subsequent revenues have been accounted through the court, and a high percentage of its profits have gone toward paying the penalty.)

To your "friend" to insert their name wherever it says "Metzger" and insert "people with a different opinion" wherever race is mentioned.

The WAR organization was effectively bankrupted as the result of a civil lawsuit resulting from WAR's involvement in the death of Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian man who came to the United States to attend college. In 1988, Seraw was murdered by racist skinheads, who were convicted of the crime and sent to prison. Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a civil suit against Metzger, arguing that WAR influenced Seraw's murderers by encouraging the group East Side White Pride to commit violence. The jury returned the largest civil verdict in Oregon history at the time — $12.5 million against Metzger and WAR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aryan_Resistance

Tell them that their actions are the same type used by racists and other hatemongers.

[ChiciB1]

18. Maybe I WILL Respond After All!

This is GOOD!

[Mabus]

22. If you can drop by their house, you can follow-up with this

I fight back. ;)

[xchrom]

15. i don't encounter or explain anything to parasites.

i do try to find someting strong enough to eliminate them though.

i am many things -- a pacifist is not one of them.

nor is pacifism the reason for opposing this war.

[ShortnFiery]

19. "Nor is pacifism the reason for opposing this war."

:wtf: You're sadly mistaken. :(

If you are a pacifist you oppose ALL wars! ;)

pac·i·fism Audio pronunciation of "pacifist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ps-fzm) n.

1. The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.
2.
1. Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
2. Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action.

IMO (and many other): Unabashed pacifism is the IDEAL (WWJD) reason to oppose all wars.

Perhaps one of many reasons, but still a BRAVE STANCE. There's great honor in following the teachings of our non-violent heroes (Gandhi and MLK).

[xchrom]

27. i should have said MY reason for opposing this war isn't pacifist.

i am not a pacifist -- though pacifists and me come to an intersection when it comes to the war in iraq.
we are in agreement.

[Vickers]

16. lol! I would love for the average repuke to hit me.

Chances are they have never been in a non-chatroom fight. :rofl:

[welshTerrier2]

21. Saddam did not punch the US in the nose ...

in fact, he did not punch the US at all ... we have destroyed a country full of innocent civilians ...

if the point of this cute little parable is to demonstrate that "revenge" is justified, it doesn't fit with the facts in Iraq ...

the story is trying to show that the US had a right to react ... i am not a pacifist and believe that when attacked, we do have a right, even an obligation, to respond ... but THAT ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ!!!

your republican needs to hear that even though it won't likely have any effect anytime soon ... remember this though, the tide in the country has turned significantly against the republicans ... some of them are starting to see that it's time for a rethink ...

[Exiled in America]

24. I would remain peaceful then have my friend kick the shit out of him :))))

hehe just kidding.

Kind of like the line from Sneakers (if anyone remembers that movie) "I cannot kill my friend....... You! Kill my friend."

:)

[alfredo]

25. So this jerk off thinks Iraq is part of the war on terror.

When he hits you, leave the area, call the cops, file charges. You might even get hate crime charges levelled against him if he hit you for your religious beliefs. Then find the author of the e-mail and haul his/her ass before a judge. His e-mail is inciting violence.

[ComerPerro]

29. too true

[alfredo]

35. We used to call people like that "Good Germans." John Dean just

released a book about people like him.

[ComerPerro]

26. When some freeper fuck does that to you,

kick the shit out of him, and then remind him that you know he won't fight back, because even though he supports war he is to chickenshit to actually fight.

[ChiciB1]

30. Another Funny Comment... What I Did Do So Far Is

I removed the name of the person who sent it to me, then clicked "reply to all" with a note stating that I saw that they had received the same email. The wrote this reply below. For now that's all I've done... I may send it to some classmates we have in common just for the Hallibut (Hell-Of-It)!! Not sure though. I didn't recognize any of the names on her email list so she must not have sent it to my other classmate friends. Really STINKO!!

Hello...
I doubt that any of you know me, but I see that you all received this same email. I have removed the name of the person who sent it to me because it's not my intention to cause any friction with anyone.

To be sure, I am probably one of those Peace Activists, but having said that, I just want to say that I recently attended a meeting with other people to talk about electing local political representatives. One of the subjects we discussed at GREAT length was how to approach and talk to people who didn't think about issues the same way we did.

What we came up with was this. Be friendly and try to talk about issues that you could "AGREE" on and from there discuss ways that the problems could be solved. Not ONCE, never did we EVER talk about being NEGATIVE or aggressive. It was our feeling that making friends and/or connections with others was much better than reverting to punching someone in the nose.

I am sorry I received this piece of email, I would NEVER have sent it myself. But since my name was on the list and some of you MAY know me AND how I feel, I just wanted to set the record straight.
Thank you,

[karlrschneider]

31. Invite him over for a beer

then shoot him.

[ChiciB1]

32. She Lives In Texas... I Live In Florida Now!

Kind of hard to do!

[karlrschneider]

33. Oh, sorry. Well, I'm close to Texas.

:evilgrin:

[ChiciB1]

34. I'll Give You Her Email Address....

Will that do??? She would simply go "batshit" if I posted it here and she got a bunch of emails from us!

Now THAT would be a "dirty trick!"

[karlrschneider]

39. PM it to me if you want, I won't say where I got it!

:D

or to [email protected]

Sometimes batshit is fun. ROFL

[OregonDem]

36. Whats wrong with that analogy is that war hawks see initiating

force as a solution to the world's problems.
To make a correct analogy the man punching the person in the face is ok to do so because according to the right wingers, he is solving a disagreement by using force or a so called "preemptive strike". It is an obvious false analogy because it incorrectly labels all people who want to end a unjust war as pacifists.
If conservatives would do a little bit of critical thinking instead of mindlessly parroting this crap they would see the fallacy of their arguments.

[ChiciB1]

42. I See You're From Oregon... As Soon As I Can Get Away....

that is one state that I've ALWAYS wanted to visit! For many years, many years! Would have already been there, but my mother-in-law lives with us and she has Alzheimer's and it's very advanced. She's been with us for over 7 years now and we would put her in a place for about a month, but it's too risky now.

Sure as the sun shines, we'd be on our way and we would get a call that she passed away! She'll be 94 on the 10th! She's not on any medication but she CAN NOT do anything on her own. She always worked and didn't marry very early like most of her friends, so she was always independent. I recently saw a cat-scan of her brain and you could actually see the space between her brain and skull. We've "affectionately" named her the "EverReady Grandma!"

[RedStateShame]

37. Hell with that. Shoot the hillbilly.

If somebody objects, say your 2nd Amendment right allowed you to enforce your 1st Amendment right.

[DinahMoeHum]

38. ChichiB1, I'm curious, did this guy ever serve in the armed forces?

Seems to me the only combat this asshole ever did was in a bar.

:evilfrown:

[ChiciB1]

41. This GUY Is A Female... I Went To School With Her Smack Dab In

the middle of Central Texas. Close to Crawford, Temple, Waco, Belton & Austin. She has known my political views for a very long time and I have respected her views by not sending offensive email to her. Or for that matter, even talking politics with her very much. But the town of Killeen, TX is where Ft. Hood, TX is and it's completely military! Had Ft. Hood not been there, Killeen would never have survived! And to think I ended up in a place in Florida where my Representative is non other than Katherine "Cruella" Harris herself!!

My father was in the Army and I was one of his brats and back then there was a LOT of rancor between the civilians & the military. I clearly recall many of the boys I went to school with actually "barking" at the soldiers and calling them "doggies" whenever they saw them in town. Most Army brats were not allowed in their teen-clubs even though they came to ours all the time.

But times have changed and the place has really grown. I really don't like going back to the city because of the "attitudes" that have evolved. But I do enjoy revisiting my old classmates. Politics never came up much until Bush got elected and many of my old friends are his supporters. Many who moved away ARE NOT! Okay fine, but it doesn't have to ruin a friendship. We don't have to talk politics, there are plenty of other things to talk about. During the last election cycle I got many offensive emails, but then they tapered off and rarely did it ever come up. I still got the usual "Clinton" crap, but never responded.

Now, since things don't seem to look so Rosy, I'm getting more nasty stuff and this one was over the line. I seriously doubt we will be emailing each other much anymore, especially when she finds out that I removed her name from the email and "replied to all" and sent it. I've already gotten 2 people who wrote back and said they were highly offended too. What she didn't do was send it to our like-minded friends, so that made me suspicious. I didn't recognize any of the names she sent it to.

I'm glad that they have accepted and support the soldiers to the extent they have, but even though I still live in the South... we're talking SOUTH here! I would use the name, but what's the use?

I will say that it's the classic example of being "Stuck On Stupid!"

[DinahMoeHum]

43. Wow, guess I should've said "person". . .my bad. . .

Then again, who among us knew it was an Ann Coulter wannabee?

:evilgrin:

Thanks for clarifying.

[ChiciB1]

44. I Think This Is One "Person" Who Will Soon Remove Me From HER

list! I removed her from mine already. But I did do a "dirty" by sending the email out to the list.

Apparently she decided she didn't like me anymore before she sent it to me, so I guess I'm not losing much. But generally I can hold myself back from retaliation... just not this time!!!