Why is the Morning After Pill "Controversial?"

[BOSSHOG]

Because religiously insane constitution hating motherfuckers don't want a woman to have the opportunity to take it? That's not controversial. Hating in the name of Jesus Christ and in a tax exempt status is controversial.

Heard on the radio this AM that FDA is studying the over the counter sale of non-prescription Morning after pills. So no doubt we will be treated soon by the "drive by media" to the outrage of those who call themselves christians over this proposal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Because it gives women a choice.

[LynneSin]

2. damn, you beat me too it

if we can control women's bodies then we can keep them subservient to men.

That's how they want it

[dipsydoodle]

6. Does it make their feet smaller

so's they can stand closer to the sink ?

I'm sure you won't take that comment seriously - just drawing attention to the problem. :)

[rubberducky]

3. BUT..........................

the little blue pill continues to be such a huge seller. What a joke. Women need to rise up to tell the gov. "my womb belongs to ME".

[iamjoy]

4. Let's Be Fair

When taken with 48 hours of unprotected intercourse, the morning after pill prevents implantation of a fertilized egg into the womb. If some one genuinely beleives that life begins at conception, then in that person's opinion, this morning after pill results in the loss of a life. They don't see it as any different than a very early stage abortion.

Add to this, a lot of people have confused the Morning After pill with RU-486.

Note I said "if some one genuinely believes life begins at conception" I think a very small percentage of the Pro-Criminilization crowd actually believes this.

I still don't think it's about hate, it's about fear and control.

[Greyhound]

5. Fair? Fair? I'm curious as to your definition of fair.

How is it fair that a tiny fraction of hate-filled bigots get to impose their silly superstitions on half of the population? How is it fair that we live in a "civil" society that feels justified in dictating what an individual may and may not do with her own body?

Every time I hear this kind of crap all I can think is, "sorry about your penis, tiny".

There is nothing fair about this at all, it is wrong, it is evil.

[iamjoy]

9. Characterizing Them As Hate Filled Bigots

is inaccurate.

I'm a female and think most people who wish to outlaw abortion are hypocritical. We will never win arguments by shouting about choice and our body with people who insist life begins at conception.

[Greyhound]

11. If you don't fight, you will lose because they are in it to win.

Hate-filled bigots is what they are, and I will continue to call them on it at every opportunity. I am amazed and deeply saddened at your (a woman) apparent lack of outrage.

This is a fight to the end for your right to autonomy, and if you're not taking the fight ot them, you will have their will imposed on you. Doesn't that worry you?

[iamjoy]

23. We Can Fight Without Such Name Calling

or maybe I'm just naive.

[Greyhound]

24. It's what they are. Why do you object to it?

Do they not hate you? Are they not bigoted? How will not calling them what they are help?

Maybe we are coming at this from different positions. I don't believe there is any hope of a reconciliation, they have stated as much consistently for almost thirty years. They advocate murdering Doctors and office workers. They violate the laws that we have enacted to reign in their murderous intent. They have fund-raisers to defend the bombers and murderers that have done their bidding.

Where do you see a reasonable discussion happening? Where is their compromise?

[BOSSHOG]

7. If a woman

"chooses" not to take this pill based on her religious beliefs she is free to do so because she lives in this country. However, other women who do choose to take it should not be prevented from doing so because of another persons religious beliefs. If that's how "christians" want to live they are more then welcome to leave the land of the free and set up their own theocracy elsewhere.

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. Which brings us back to Doh!

The root issue has nothing whatsoever to do with religious belief; it is all about controlling women regardless of their beliefs.

[Greyhound]

17. Thank you!

I usually avoid these threads like a plague, for just the reason you stated. There is always some woman that, in addition to not caring about her own right to self-determination, is more than willing to take your rights as well.

To me, this is tantamount to a Jewish person joining the German Nazi party "in the interests of opening a dialog"! What is so hard to understand? They want to enslave women, and they're being helped by their victims.

OK, I've gone off again, sorry. I must stay out of these threads. I must stay out of these threads. I must stay out of these threads. I must stay out of these threads...

[tsuki]

14. Agree, but what they are really after is all contraception. nt

[roseBudd]

13. Actually because sperm hangs out for days, it's more likely it prevents

ovulation, just like the BC pill. If the level of hormones in my body indicates I am already pregnant evolution dictates that I not release another egg for mutiple birth different gestational age fetuses.

It's much more efficient for sperm to wait to attack the egg, than for the egg and sperm to arrive at the exact same time.

[dorktv]

27. That is basically what happens during conception.

You usually have to wait about two days after your egg is released for the sperm to be able to hit it juuuuuuuuuuuuuust right. And sperm can live for two days inside a woman so that is how one can get pregnant. By preventing the egg from being released in the first place or from getting into the tubes, then one cannot get a fertilized egg.

[boolean]

19. I'm no abortion fan...

More precisely, I'm not so against abortion as I'm more against the stubborn ideology many have regarding the question of when a fetus becomes a human. It's as if the staunch pro-choice crowd are afraid to admit that abortion does kill a baby if it's done after a certain point. See my posts in the Topics forum for more on that...

BUT

I'd like to know how anyone in their right mind can think an embryo, implanted or not, can be considered a human being. Just because one is of the opinion that the embryo is human doesn't make the opinion valid. These are the same freakshows who are against stem cell research, even though they don't seem to care that the embryos will be thrown out.

A baby in a womb at 8 months of pregnancy is a baby.
An fetus in a womb at 1 month of pregnancy is a fetus.

Somewhere in between that, only God knows where, the thing becomes the human. Somebody --anybody-- please admit it.

THAT, is what I'd call "fair".

[Crunchy Frog]

21. Wrong!

It does NOT work by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg. It prevents fertilization by preventing ovulation. Fertilization is most likely to occur when there are sperm already in the reproductive tract at the time that ovulation occurs. Sperm are viable for about 3 days. Eggs are only fertilizable for a very short period of time. That is why the longer you wait to take Plan B, the less effective it is. Implantation of the embryo generally takes from 6 to 12 days following ovulation. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10362823&dopt=Abstract There is no way that it could possible take place in the 1st 2 days following intercourse. Plan B is completely ineffective if taken during the time in which implantation would be occuring.

Please read this article for scientifically accurate information about how Plan B actually works. http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,67432,00.html?tw=wn_story_related

If someone "genuinely believes" that life begins at conception, they should have no problem whatsoever with Plan B, unless they suffer from scientific illiteracy (which most of them unfortunately do).

[dorktv]

26. It prevents ovulation...which prevents an egg from even being fertilized.

That is why it mainly works in the first 72 hours...due to the way conception happens.

[madrchsod]

8. fornn-i-catin` them women will be forn-i-catin`

praise jesus! save our women from forn-i-catin`. the lord will pass judgement on the wick`d forn-i-cators` who defile god`s perfect bodies with bastard children ! praise jesus and please give what you can praise jesus! i need a new motor coach to do the lords work!

[Warpy]

10. They've been "studying" it for THREE FUCKING YEARS

During that time, women have had surgical abortions instead of being able to prevent the pregnancy. Women have had to bear and surrender children to strangers instead of being able to prevent the pregnancy. Women have had to bear children they did not want and work to bring them up instead of being able to prevent the pregnancy. Women have DIED from complications of all of the above instead of being able to prevent the pregnancy.

Remind me again how this policy serves us.

[Vinca]

15. It appears the fundies - and let's be honest, that's what has held

this up - want women to be breeding sows. If they could figure out a way to stop us from enjoying sex, they'd do that, too.

[BOSSHOG]

16. We bought

some beautiful Vincas over the weekend. Makes for nice almost flourescent red blooms on the west side of the house thru the hot months.

Yeah, we don't want you to enjoy sex but us religiously insane mother fuckers will have all we want because we are forgiven. So what our men folk sneek off to gay bath houses on their business trips. Its nobody's business.

[Vinca]

20. I love vincas (aka periwinkle), too.

Primarily because they're about the only thing the damn deer don't eat.

[Greyhound]

18. Genital mutilation. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

22. Because their are a lot of ignorant people who like their drama

Among other reasons. Old school nurses have had a version of the "morning after" pill (involving birth control pills) for years.

Anything that supports a women's right to choose is going to be "controversial.

I know a nursing instructor who thinks everybody who is of childbearing age and sexually active--women AND men, should have at least one spare to help prevent unwanted pregnancy. (The medical version of pregnancy is implantation)

I knew a guy who had a whole story of a sexual mishap resulting in a possible pregnancy and he and his partner scrambling to find the morning after pill. They found it, he kindly offered to pay for it, and they went their separate ways as friends. Not as people who not only had no desire to become parents, but certainly not with each other. It was nicely handled.

[insleeforprez]

25. This shows that, for the pro-life crowd...

...the abortion debate is not about life, but sex, for most pro-lifers anyway.

A lot of them basically want to eliminate sex, saying that it should only be for procreation. That is a legitimate position to take (one that I disagree with vehemently, being gay and all...), but they should not play the smoke and mirrors with calling themselves pro-life. They should call themselves anti-sex.

[dorktv]

28. This is about controlling female sexuality. It always has been.

Every step women take to prevent the consequences of having sex causes the fundies to get really really upset.

Now while they claim they want abstinence only for both sexes, I have yet to see anyone blocking a man's access to condoms. Or a pharmacist saying no, you cannot have those.

[laylah]

29. Because

they have nothing better to do, like, saaaaaaaaaaaaaay, be concerned about all of the innocents in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Dafur, etc?