Reason #2 that the DLC rocks: fighting global warming

[LoZoccolo]

A new study commissioned by the Bush administration has cleared up a longstanding point of contention in the global warming debate. In so doing, it has added more weight to the already overwhelming body of widely accepted scientific evidence that human activity is spurring climate change.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=116&subid=149&contentid=253850

Meanwhile, conservative Republicans continue to deny global warming, and claim that progressives are afraid of the CO2 which plants use. I think I'm gonna vote for the party venturing to save lives on this planet, rather than the one who's denying that we could be messing things up.

[wakeme2008]

1. Gee I did not know all those corp lovers with ties to big oil

knew about Global Warning...

[PassingFair]

2. They can fight global warming by shutting their big, fat, *ucking

mouths!

All that hot air's gotta go somewhere.

[Dave Reynolds]

3. "DLC" and "rocks" in the same sentence?

Only if I get to throw some AT them.

This one little sentence in the page you link to says it all:

(Companies that can keep their emissions below the allowable limit would be free to sell their excess emissions credits to those that exceed the capallowing those that exceed the cap to stay in compliance with the law, but at a price.)

This is a do-nothing bullshit bill meant to fool environmentalists while allowing business as usual.

Thank you, come again.

[LoZoccolo]

5. I think the credit system is genius.

Give the companies a financial incentive to innovate (if that's all they think about, make it work for the better), rather than have them invest that money they would have spent into lobbying for the status quo. But it breaks too many old rules for rigid thinkers to see that it works toward their goals.

[western mass]

13. We should have a credit system for rape & mugging too...

You know, give those criminals an incentive not to do those nasty things!

[LoZoccolo]

16. Yours is not a very good response.

Emissions are considered a necessary evil, a tolerable thing to produce in moderation, rather than an always-bad such as murder or rape.

Did you drive to work today?

Ride the bus?

How did you type your message without a computer?

What is your plan to eliminate emissions without creating any more at all?

I'm unlikely to see your plan, because typing a reply would require you use energy and thus pollute a little more to get the electricity to do so. Oh, and also, because I'm putting you under the red X until November on general principles regarding respecting peoples' time on this message board. See you then!

[WCGreen]

28. As long as they keep shrinking the aggregate credit allowable...

that is the best fusion of a market based economy and environmentalism to come along.....

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. I think the word "rocks" was misspelled.

In this context, I believe it's spelled "sucks."

Amazing that the DLC has the chutzpah to call themselves "progressives," when they are really corporatist tools. And how nice to acknowledge the existence of global warning and therefore claim to be better than the Republicans -- then turn around and come up with a scheme to let polluters sell their excess emissions credits. It's all about the money.

[killerbush]

6. You got that right

Since the DLC and Al Gore are buddies, it would make sense for the DLC to be leading on the issue of global warming

[killerbush]

7. LoZoccolo, ever thought about starting a DU diary??

You have some good points to make. A diary would be an excellent thing to have. Just a thought.

[LoZoccolo]

8. Yeah, I think about it.

I might set one up and stuff.

[TabulaRasa]

9. I was going to suggest you

get a journal, too. :eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

10. Yeah, if you had a journal

we'd never have to see these ridiculous posts about the DLC.
"rocks" :eyes:
Har.

[LoZoccolo]

11. Yeah you would.

I think you have to post to add it to your journal, or can add your posts to your journal.

But I don't see what you think would be so ridiculous about me posting about some specific goals and values of the DLC and how they fit in with a lot of goals and values of people here. People talk about them so much, I would think people would actually want to throw more around than DLC=bad.

[leesa]

12. Funny.

[rman]

14. If DLC "rocks" because of this, what does that make Al Gore?

I'd say being realistic is the least one can expect (except from Bush) - but isn't exactly sensational.

[LoZoccolo]

22. That makes Al Gore a ROCK STAR!

Also, people should always be realistic, because we live in reality.

[Arugula Latte]

15. Wow, that rockin' DLC. I can hardly contain my enthusiasm.

:eyes:

[LincolnMcGrath]

27. lol

[wyldwolf]

17. FUCK THE DLC! Fighting global warming is BAD!

Liberals shouldn't... uh.. wait a minute...!

[LoZoccolo]

18. Gore is no better than Bush* on this issue! n/t

[wyldwolf]

20. not a dime's worth of difference!

[SOS]

19. Only seven years behind Chuck Hagel

April 08, 1999

Senators Hagel and Murkowski to Introduce Global Warming Bill

Senators Frank Murkowski (R-AK), Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and Chuck Hagel (R-NE) are planning to introduce a bill to provide $2 billion for the research and development of new technologies to prevent global warming. The bill would establish an Office of Global Climate Change within the Department of Energy that would "promote and cooperate in the research, development, demonstration, and diffusion of environmentally sound, cost-effective and commercially practicable technologies, practices and processes that avoid, sequester, control, or reduce anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases not controlled by the Montreal Protocol for all relevant economic sectors."

Leadership is their middle name!

[LoZoccolo]

21. September 1, 1998

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=116&subid=149&contentid=1538

I don't think their website goes back much past this though.

[wyldwolf]

23. you can find ozone layer concerns from the DLC as far back as '92

..in the web archive.

Probably further back then that being that Gore was/is DLC.

[hatrack]

24. Wow, cutting-edge stuff. This "global warming" thing has only been around

. . . for about, oh, maybe 18 years - at least as a public issue.

But gosh, the DLC are right on top of things, yessiree Bob.

:eyes:

[MrBenchley]

25. And they have an actual plan with bipartisan support....

Great post. Thanks.

[nickshepDEM]

31. 'round here we refer to that as...

"rethuglican sympathizers"

[ProudDad]

26. Ok, I read it

can you say, "Re-arranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg?"

This dramatic DLC proposal is nothing more than a warmed over "libertarian" concept of turning pollution "Credits" into commodities to be traded on the mythical "free market" and enrich the already rich.

In addition, it says NOTHING about the MAJOR generator of greenhouse gasses, motor vehicles and factories. It's only concerned with emissions from power plants.

I love this one; the co-sponsors list reads like a who's who of foot dragging corporation lovers.

You want solutions, Ok, here's what needs to be done:

1) CRANK down on fleet vehicle CAFE standards -- WAY DOWN
2) HUGE tax on new vehicles that get less than 20 MPG...the less the mileage, the more the tax
3) Additional large corporate taxes on polluters who don't clean up their acts
4) An Apollo style program of developing alternative energy sources.

When these energy technologies are created, they WILL NOT BE SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
the way Federal medical research is sold to big pharma. These sources and methods will
be licensed to industry in order to cut taxes for lower income Americans -- the ones
who've been screwed by every tax cut since 1980!

That's just a beginning. See, I've been able to come up with 4 killer proposals in just a few minutes. Of course, I don't spend my life sucking the ass ends of our corporate masters...

[Solon]

30. That's the thing that pisses me off about it too...

It wouldn't do much accept create an artificial commodity, and in addition to that, it wouldn't reduce TOTAL output of emmissions by the industry as a whole. This "economic" incentive doesn't do shit, and is stupid to even contemplate, what we need to do is make it too damned expensive for these companies to violate the law on pollution. THAT'S an incentive, not this "market based" bullshit.

[nickshepDEM]

29. CORPORATE SLIME!@#!@%%

:sarcasm:

[dionysus]

32. you remind me exactly of a Chris Rock skit...

he was saying, in a joke "black ppl are are always taking credit for thing they are supposed to be doing" "I TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS!!" CR: "you're supposed to, ya dumb mother fucker!!!"

so the DLC supports something everyone should be supporting (like the "whacky grassroots" always have)

"I SUPPORT ENDING CHILD HUNGER!" you're supposed to, you greedy corporate motherfuckers!!!

ya, that DLC sure "rawks"... all the way to another election loss.....

his exact quote:
Prowling the stage, dressed in black and grinning fiercely, to a white-noise blur of claps and whistles from the audience, Chris Rock leans into the microphone. "Niggers always want credit for some shit they're supposed to do," he announces, in typically head-on fashion. "They'll brag about stuff a normal man just does. They'll say something like, 'Yeah, well, I take care of my kids.' You're supposed to, you dumb motherfucker. 'I ain't never been to jail.' Whaddya want? A cookie? You're not supposed to go to jail, you low-expectation-having motherfucker!"

reason # 3 why the DLC rocks... "we're against cancer!!!!" ugh.. retch

[wyldwolf]

33. so, perhaps, Gore reminds you of that skit as well?

[dionysus]

34. please elaborate

i forgot when Al has been a corporatist for the last 6 years or so...

[wyldwolf]

35. Isn't Gore doing exactly what he's suppose to be doing?

[dionysus]

36. thats a strawman

let's say i support ending global warming or child hunger.. both good things.. yet i'm in bed with corporate filth... does that mean i "rock"?

how bout if i continue to support a bullshit illegal war, yet espouse universal health care.. does that mean i "rock" as well?

feh

[LoZoccolo]

37. Yes.

That rocks.

For those about to rock, we salute you.

:patriot:

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

39. Here is proof.

You cannot say that they don't rock.

[dionysus]

40. lol, you got me on that BUT

Clinton is a unique politician... he had the charisma to pull it off. and he did sign some shitty bills, NAFTA, ect...

I don't recall Kerry ever being hardcore DLC

so again, what is your point? a kinder, gentler corporatism?

[LoZoccolo]

41. That's not the point of /this/ thread.

This thread is about how this article from a DLC publication differs from the pretty widespread conservative stance that global warming doesn't exist. And the secondary point is that before people criticize the DLC or any candidate who belongs to it, they might be surprised to find what kind of opinions really come out of it's membership. My point isn't to completely defend the DLC so much as get people to actually find out what they're talking about before they start a hastily-defined war against an organization that a bunch of our leaders belong to.

[dionysus]

42. oh

in that case i have no beef

cheers for the long weekend!!

[wyldwolf]

43. Gore is in bed with "corporate filth"

He was a charter member of the DLC.

So. NOT a strawman.