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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:43 PM
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Why is Feingold the only Democrat fighting for our civil liberties?
Where the hell is everyone?
Why aren't our elected representatives backing him?

Fucking losers. These elected officials aren't Americans. They are IMPOSTERS posing as Americans. How else can you explain the lack of concern for our Constitution and our Civil Liberties? All of the Senators that have turned their back on the people and the principles of this country MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. We keep seeing this happen over and over and over and over again. When will WE, THE PEOPLE, take our country back?


I am BEYOND ready to deal with these treasonous rat bastards!

Peace.
:patriot:
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:45 PM
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1. We should reward him...
with our Presidential Nomination !
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:38 AM
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63. and support him with our signs
Mass protests, throughout history have come at a time when enough of the population has been affected by policies of the rulers and elite. They have often been met with brutal, efficient crackdown by the guardians of the elite, be they local police, militias, national militaries, or even another nation’s military forces.

The large protests at the WTO meetings, at IMF, World Bank, G8 and other such summits that are seen today have typically been against the current forms of globalization and the marginalization it is causing, as well as the increasing disparities between the rich and the poor that it has predictably led to already. These issues have motivated people all over the world to protest in many ways.

The mainstream media has concentrated on only a few of these global protests, such as:

* Seattle in 1999
* Washington D.C. in 2000 and 2002
* Quebec in 2001
* Genoa in 2001

These were just some of the more mainstream and reported ones because:

* Two of them were in the home nation of the current superpower, the United States
* Quebec was a Free Trade of the Americas Agreement (FTAA) that involved the United States directly,
* and Genoa was a G8 summit that involved the 7 richest nations plus Russia.

These protests, directed at the World Trade Organization (WTO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF)/World Bank, the FTAA and the G8 respectively, were all protests at the effects of the current forms of globalization which go along the lines of a neoliberal/corporate capitalism ideology (which, as suggested elsewhere on this site, is more of the mercantilist/imperialist policy of wealth appropriation that has continued throughout history.)

While protests have been aimed at different international bodies and blocs, the underlying themes are similar, while the actual themes of the protests have been different. For example:

* The WTO protest of Seattle was about the trade policies being drawn up in undemocratic ways yet affecting people all around the world.
o Here too, the elite’s “front guard” was mobilized to protect the image of the multinational corporations and institutions that support their “rights”.
o The police crackdown was often violent and unprovoked.
* The IMF and World Bank protests in Washington D.C. were about the policies of the IMF and World Bank towards developing countries.
o Their methods of “assistance” have been criticized for a long time, for things like:
+ increasing dependencies on the richer nations
+ promoting a form of development whereby developing nations continue to provide cheap resources and labor to the richer nations
+ to continue to remain in servitude for the west.
+ etc.
o These policies are a precursor and basic framework to allow trade policies discussed at the WTO to be effective; they go hand in hand.
* The protests seen at various G8 summits have included issues such as debt relief.

It is ironic then, that in many countries, leaders, elected through processes of democracy (themselves often painful, trying and hard-won) have been turning against protestors, via pressure from the aristocracy of that nation and from “international” (western) financial institutions that are the target of the protests and criticisms. As protests increase, it is harder for elected leaders to hide behind their claims of being elected, if they are not fulfilling their promises, or turning out not to support their people via their policies:

When the G8 leaders were besieged and publicly upstaged by upwards of 200,000 demonstrators, they had a single line of defence which they repeated to whoever wanted to hear it:

“We are democratically elected” - as if this fact had some magic talismanic power.

But people are not impressed. Democratic election does not justify presidents when they betray their electoral promises and the public interest, or embark on wholesale privatisation and liberalisation. Nor does it entitle them to move heaven and earth to service the demands of the companies that financed their electoral campaigns. As we know, at least two of the G8 heads - George W Bush and Silvio Berlusconi - represent big business to a far greater extent than they represent ordinary people.


— Ignacio Ramonet, Presidents under pressure, Le Monde diplomatique, August 2001
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:45 PM
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66. You make alot of sense.
Peace.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:45 PM
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2. The vote for cloture was 97-3????
:wtf:

Feingold was standing almost alone....as I understand it, it was only Byrd and the Independent, Jeffords, voting WITH Feingold.

Who cut the deal?

Who sold us out?

Harry?

:wtf:

:wtf:

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:17 PM
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17. NOT A VOTE FOR CLOTURE - A MOTION TO PROCEED!!!
The vote for cloture is Feb 28th, just in case you care.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:23 PM
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23. Wow.. You're a regular Sister Mary Sunshine...
Peace.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:46 PM
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3. horrifying.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:46 PM
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4. Now, Now
Remember they're keeping their powder dry!!!

On a serious note perhaps you should direct this question towards those here who think Senators like
Reid and Schumer are so what we need in the Democratic party leadership!!!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:46 PM
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5. If you're going to make this accusation
then name every democrat in national office and tell me what they've done wrong.


EVERY SINGLE ONE. And no shortcuts sweetie.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:50 PM
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7. Thats pretty tough
Perhaps you would care to share what they've been doing right? I'll make it easy, just the 97.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:54 PM
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9. What they've done wrong
They failed to fight, they helped to push through the American version of the Enabling Act. They have also given the Repukes ammunition to use come the mid-term elections.

I can hear it now, "Gee if the Democrats in Congress won't fight for what they believe in, then how can we trust them to fight for us."

More people have respect for those that stand and fight, even if they lose, then for those who don't fight at all.

In my case, I live in a state where both senators are Republicans, and while John Warner has done some things he still isn't that far from George Allen, they both tow the party line. Allen just tows more then Warner, but not by much.

So I can put my support behind a Democrat who may still believe in fighting, and not going along to get along.

Are they traitors? No, just not really into fighting.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:09 PM
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13. Are you calling me out, SWEETIE?
I have every right to accuse our elected officials of letting us down and turning their back on the U.S. Constitution. That's pretty much what they have been doing lately. If you think that we have adequate representation in DC...that's your right. It's still a free country last time I looked!

Peace.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:06 PM
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26. Name everyone that has done everything right .... and I don't mean
far right.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:01 PM
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34. LOL!!!
:spray:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:04 PM
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52. Just stating the obvious!
:hug:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:11 PM
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38. Here ya go, this is what fooj is referring to:
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to Consider S. 2271 )
Vote Number: 22 Vote Date: February 16, 2006, 10:31 AM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Agreed to
Measure Number: S. 2271 (USA PATRIOT Act Additional Reauthorizing Amendments Act of 2006 )
Measure Title: A bill to clarify that individuals who receive FISA orders can challenge nondisclosure requirements, that individuals who receive national security letters are not required to disclose the name of their attorney, that libraries are not wire or electronic communication service providers unless they provide specific services, and for other purposes

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00022

Peace
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:18 PM
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41. Oh, yeah - you did say EVERY democrat, so here's one for the House
Which overwhelmingly voted to support sending Iran to the UN Security Council today, which you may remember was legislative step #1 in starting the war in Iraq. Of course, the only people who pointed THAT out were Kucinich and Ron Paul.

I won't post the whole roll call for you this time but you can link to it here:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll012.xml
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:14 PM
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54. Thanks for the links!
I've been unable to fully participate lately. I appreciate the help.

Peace.:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:48 PM
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6. Apparently the changes conceded by the WH were enough to get Kennedy's
and Boxer's approval, and they tend to be the most liberal senators.

I prefer the version that Feingold wanted, as did most Dems, but they must have calculated that Bush would get the old version of Patriot Act passed unless they voted for the new version which had at least some concession.

Jeffords and Byrd voted with Feingold. The odd thing about Byrd is that he voted FOR Alito who is so obviously put in place to do more damage to civil liberties and workers' rights on a longterm basis.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:12 PM
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28. Durbin as well.
Obviously they didn't get all their changes but compared to the original bill, it is much better. The Senate bill passed unanimously and it would be great if the house gave in on all differences, but they didn't. The point is if we don't take the new Patriot act, we'll end up with the old one which is worse.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:52 PM
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30. Vote was only to open up debate on the Patriot Act, not the PA itself...
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 04:54 PM by Wordie
At least that's how I understand it from a thread this morning. Very confusing. And Harry Reid gave a spirited speech on why Feingold's and Leahy's amendments should be considered, when Frist tried not to allow them to be considered.

I think there's going to be more discussion, before the final vote is taken.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:00 PM
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33. Good. I'm rooting for the changes. Gotta wonder if Sununu's being black-
mailed by BushInc. He cowrote the bill with Kerry in Dec 2003 to dump the more onerous aspects of the Patriot Act. He should have been a solid on this.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:14 PM
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39. Here's what Conyer's take is on the PA...
From his blog...

Flawed Patriot Deal

Based on what I have seen (see NYT story), I cannot support the flawed Patriot deal reached by the Senate GOP and the Administration. It is amazing to me that at a time when the Administration has been caught secretly spying on the American people, meaningful judicial review and standards are missing from this bill.

The new deal will still allow the government to: (i) issue secret intelligence orders for any tangible thing, including library or medical records, if the government can show only "relevance" to terrorism -- the target does not have to be suspected of any wrongdoing; (ii) permanently gag Americans even after they have turned over their most personal information; (iii) search private homes and not give notice to the resident for a month, or even longer - all for the convenience of law enforcement; and (iv) collect and keep personal data in databases indefinitely, including library, financial and medical records. In short, it still places our rights and liberties in jeopardy.

As is usual, the deal was reached without any Democratic input. While it appears some Democratic Senators may support it, that does not make the process or the end result any better.

************************************************
I trust Conyers. Just sayin'...

Peace.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:51 PM
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8. This might shed some light...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:01 PM
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10. Kicked and recommended!
:kick:
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:03 PM
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11. I've been heart broken all morning... and just now Durbin & Sununu
just ran a sleight of hand end game around Feingold's amendments - one day the real reasons will be revealed - i hope Feingold exposes those reasons.

is out of fear for thier future elections? or some other back room deal?

Sununu's father was involved in the Iran Contra, by the way.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:13 PM
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14. here's the definition of treason...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:10 PM
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27. That sums it up prety well. ... Short and to the point.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:59 PM
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31.  The Constitution defines treason in article III, section 3 as:
http://ask.yahoo.com/20020111.html

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.


The framers of the Constitution added that in order for someone to be convicted of treason, two witnesses must testify to that fact or the accused must confess. Congress has the power to decide the punishment for a convicted traitor.


I think we could get a lawyer to argue that outing Plame gave aid and comfort to the enemy (you know, the whole "Axis of Evil" thing?)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:04 PM
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36. Not to mention the executions that took place in Iran after the outing.
Peace.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #31
64. when you fly the family of the world's best known terrorist to safety
On a day when not even senators are allowed to fly... it's giving AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:03 PM
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12. Get ready - they're going to fold on investigating NSA spying next. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. They took an oath of office, damnit!
Why are we allowing them a "free pass" on the ideals and principles our country was founded upon?

Peace.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:17 PM
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18. I've never felt this way before but I'm ready to VOTE 3RD PARTY. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:20 PM
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20. WE can salvage our party, cyberpj.
We've just got to let them KNOW THAT WE ARE EXPECTING them to behave in a manner conducive to being an American. Period.

Peace.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:25 PM
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24. I hope you're right. I think I'm a little played out lately, may need a
break from politics for a while so I can get my fight back (not to mention get a long list of things done that have been ignored for a while).

I'm just feeling truly discouraged - at that "there's nothing we can do" point this week. Tired of calling, writing, signing petitions, writing LTTEs, getting hopes up and having them squashed by brownshirt boots.

Guess I'm outta here for a little while.......


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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. A break is good when you need to refuel.
See you soon!!!:hug:

Peace.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:16 PM
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16. Time to call senators to ask to vote AGAINST cloture,
Of course, DU has been forgetting the PATRIOT ACT for the last few weeks, and now, nobody knows what they are talking about. It is time to act, not to whine.

They voted to bring the bill to the floor - The motion for cloture will be next week - I dont know if it will change something, but can we, once in a while, know what we are talking about!!

The motion to end debate has not occurred yet, even if AP cannot report things correctly. Now is the time to call Senators and ask for a filibuster, not to cry and blame everybody.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:18 PM
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19. I agree. I do resent you implying that I'm whining about this, though.
You see...I HAVE CALLED my Senators ALL WEEK about this. This isn't about whining. This is about being an American and following THE RULE OF LAW!

Yes. Call your Senators. Call them now!

peace.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:20 PM
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21. Debating against a bad bill is patriotic.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 03:21 PM by Mass
What I care is that they dont stop debating before it is fixed.

Happy to know you have been calling- What is clear is that the subject has been ignored on DU for the last two weeks and that many people dont seem to care today either.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:21 PM
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22. Yep.
NO MORE FOLDING!!!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:16 PM
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29. So. do we roll out the Defeat Alito toolkit and give it a whorl?
I'm game, but we need to get mobilized fast if we are going to get going.
What organizations are on board and active?
Who has petitions up and running?
Who has fax links established?
Who has toll free numbers for this effort?

Please, anyone feel free to respond with information.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. You're the best, momcat.
I'll do what I can. Wish I could do more. At least I've called my Senators. It's a start.

Thanks for your help.

:hug:

Peace.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. OK Start by defining the situation and outlining what we need to say
and to whom. Jive me the most concise info you have. I will see what I can find too!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. We are Americans.
Americans believe in

1. THE RULE OF LAW
2. THE US CONSTITUTION

It's that simple. These rat bastards are trying to destroy who we are.

Peace.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. after alito?after their vote for cloture? hmmm...
i just don't have any more faith in any of these people, not a shred of hope left.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:06 PM
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37. What happens to us if we lose all hope?
I'm not bagging on you for how you feel. I feel very much the same on most days. I'm just wondering what else we can hold on to...you know what I mean? Without HOPE...what the hell is there?

Peace.:hug:
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. i know... after i hit the send button , i regretted writing that...
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 05:17 PM by radio4progressives
and then i realized that Sessions was still on the floor whining about the "filibuster" - it appears that there is still a filibuster but fucking Senator Reid is whining about something else, and not backing Feingold..

i don't understand that... is that part of filibustering? (sheesh)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Sessions is enough to make ANYONE lose their mind!
That's a given. LOL!!!

Peace.:hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
44. Thanks for this clarification on the vote this morning! n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:25 PM
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45. Why is Feingold the only Dem fighting on behalf of our Civil Liberties?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:27 PM
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46. This article might help: It is on Feingold's opposition.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Also, Today's statements from Feinglld's website:
Statement of Senator Russ Feingold
On the Latest on the Patriot Act

February 16, 2006

"The Majority Leader's concession to put off final votes on the Patriot Act deal for almost two weeks gives the Senate time to consider whether this deal is good for the country, and allows the American people their chance to be heard. Contrary to an erroneous news report, I will continue to oppose this flawed deal, insist that the Senate jump through every procedural hoop, and demand the right to offer amendments to improve it. As Chairman Specter noted, the deal makes only "cosmetic" changes to the Patriot Act. No amount of cosmetics can disguise the fact that it fails to protect the rights and freedoms of law-abiding Americans."

And this:
Statement of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold
On Stopping the Bad Patriot Act Deal
As Prepared for Delivery from the Senate Floor

February 16, 2006

Mr. President, the upcoming cloture vote on the motion to proceed to S. 2271, introduced by my friend Senator Sununu, is the first opportunity for my colleagues to go on record on whether they will accept the White House deal on Patriot Act reauthorization. Back in December, 46 Senators voted against cloture on the conference report. I think it’s clear by now that the deal makes only minor changes to that conference report. The Senator from Pennsylvania, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee and primary proponent of the conference report in this body, was quoted yesterday as saying that the changes that the White House agreed to were “cosmetic.” And then he said, according to the AP, “But sometimes cosmetics will make a beauty out of a beast and provide enough cover for senators to change their vote.”

The Senator from Alabama said on the floor yesterday: “They’re not large changes, but it made the Senators happy and they feel comfortable voting for the bill today.” I agree with both of my adversaries on this bill that the changes were minor and cosmetic. I explained that at length yesterday, and no one else other than Senator Sununu came down to the floor to defend the deal.

Some of my colleagues have been arguing, however, that we should go along with this deal because the conference report, as amended by the Sununu bill, improves the Patriot Act that we passed four and a half years ago.

It’s hard for me to understand how Senators who blocked the conference report in December can now say that it’s such a great deal. It’s not a great deal – the conference report is just as flawed as it was two months ago. No amount of cosmetics is going to make this beast look any prettier.

That said, let me walk through some of the provisions of the conference report that are being touted as improvements to the original Patriot Act.

First, there’s the issue that was the lynchpin of the bill the Senate passed without objection in July of last year: the standard for obtaining business records under Section 215. Section 215 gives the government extremely broad powers to secretly obtain people’s business records. The Senate bill would have required that the government prove to a judge that the records it sought had some link to suspected terrorists or spies or their activities. The conference report does not include this requirement. Now, the conference report does contain some improvements to Section 215, at least around the edges. It contains minimization requirements, meaning that the executive branch has to set rules for whether and how to retain and share information about U.S. citizens and permanent residents obtained from the records. And it requires clearance from a senior FBI official before the government can seek to obtain particularly sensitive records like library, gun and medical records. But the core issue with Section 215 is the standard for obtaining these records in the first place.

Neither the minimization procedures nor the high level signoff changes the fact that the government can still obtain sensitive business records of innocent, law-abiding Americans. The standard in the conference report – “relevance” -- will still allow government fishing expeditions. That is unacceptable. And the Sununu bill does not change that.

Next, let me turn to judicial review of these Section 215 orders. After all, if we’re going to give the government such intrusive powers, we should at least people go to a judge to challenge the order. The conference report does provide for this judicial review. But it would require that the judicial review be conducted in secret, and that government submissions not be shared with the challenger under any circumstances, without regard for whether there are national security concerns in any particular case. This would make it very difficult for a challenger to get meaningful judicial review that comports with due process. And the Sununu bill does not address this problem.

So, what we have are very intrusive powers, very limited judicial review – and then, on top of it, anyone who gets a Section 215 order can’t even talk about it. That’s right – they come complete with an automatic, indefinite gag order. The new “deal” supposedly allows judicial review of these gag orders, but that’s just more cosmetics. As I explained yesterday, the deal that was struck does not permit meaningful judicial review of these gag orders. No judicial review is available for the first year after the 215 order has been issued. Even when the right to judicial review does finally kick in, the challenger has to prove that the government acted in bad faith. That is a virtually impossible standard to meet.

The last point on Section 215 is that the conference report, as amended by the Sununu bill, now explicitly permits recipients of these orders to consult with attorneys, and without having to inform the FBI that they have done so. It does the same thing with respect to National Security Letters. This is an important clarification, but keep in mind that the Justice Department had already argued in litigation that the provision in the NSL statute actually did permit recipients to consult with lawyers. So this isn’t much of a victory at all. Making sure that recipients don’t have to tell the FBI if they consult a lawyer is an improvement, but it is a minor one.

Next let’s turn to National Security Letters, or NSLs. These are the letters that the FBI can issue to obtain certain types of business records, with no prior court approval at all. The conference report does provide for judicial review of NSLs, but it also gives the government the explicit right to enforce NSLs and hold people in contempt for failing to comply, which was not previously laid out in the statute. And, in stark contrast to the Senate bill, the conference report also would require that judicial review be conducted in secret, and that government submissions not be shared with the challenger under any circumstances, without regard for whether there are national security concerns in any particular case. Just like with the Section 215 judicial review provisions, this will make it very difficult for challengers to be successful. And the Sununu bill does not address this problem.

Of course, NSLs come with gag orders, too. The conference report addresses judicial review of these gag orders but it has the same flaw as the Sununu bill does with regard to judicial review of the Section 215 gag rule. In order to prevail, you have to prove that the government acted in bad faith, which will be virtually impossible. And the Sununu bill does not modify these provisions at all.

Let me make just one last point on NSLs. The Sununu bill contains a provision that states that libraries cannot receive an NSL for Internet records unless the libraries provide “electronic communications services” as defined by statute. But that NSL statute already applies only to entities that satisfy that definition, so this provision essentially restates existing law. It is no improvement at all. Those cosmetics start to wear pretty thin once you look closely at this deal.

Let’s turn next to sneak and peek search warrants. As I laid out in detail yesterday, the conference report takes a significant step back from the Senate bill by presumptively allowing the government to wait an entire month to either notify someone that agents secretly searched their home, or get approval from a judge to delay the notification even longer. The Senate bill said the presumption should be one week, and I have yet to hear any argument, much less a persuasive argument, why that amount of time is insufficient. Core Fourth Amendments protections are at stake here. And once again, the Sununu bill does nothing to address this issue.

Now let me talk briefly about roving intelligence wiretaps under Section 206 of the Patriot Act. We haven’t discussed this issue much, in part because the conference report does partially address the concerns that had been raised about this provision. But the conference report language is still not as good as the Senate bill was on this issue. Unlike the Senate bill, the conference report does not require that a roving wiretap include sufficient information to describe the specific person to be wiretapped with particularity. The Sununu bill does not address this problem.

Supporters of the conference report say that it contains new four-year sunsets for three provisions: Section 206, Section 215 and the “lone wolf” expansion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that passed as part of the Intelligence Reform bill in 2004. But sunsets are not enough. This reauthorization process is our opportunity to fix the problems with the Patriot Act. Just sunsetting bad law – again -- is hardly an improvement. And of course, neither the conference report nor the Sununu bill contains a sunset for the highly controversial National Security Letter authorities that were expanded by the Patriot Act, even though many of us said back in December that was an important change we wanted to see made.

I have the same response to those who point to the valuable new reporting provisions in the conference report. We must make substantive changes to the law, not just improve oversight.

I have laid out at length the many substantive reasons to oppose the deal. But there’s an additional reason to oppose cloture on the motion to proceed, and that’s because it appears the Majority Leader is planning to prevent Senators from offering and getting votes on amendments to the bill. I was on the floor for nine hours yesterday. I wasn’t asking for much – just a guarantee that I could offer and get votes on a handful of amendments relevant to the bill. There was a time when Senators didn’t have to camp out on the floor to plead for the opportunity to offer amendments. In fact, offering, debating and voting on amendments is what the Senate is supposed to be all about – that’s how we craft legislation. But my offer was rejected, and it appears the other side may try to ram this deal through without a real amending process.

I hope that even colleagues who may support the deal will oppose such a sham process. It makes no sense to agree to go forward without a guarantee that we will be allowed to actually try to improve the bill. And it is a discourtesy to all Senators, not just me, to try to ram through controversial legislation without the chance to improve it.

In sum, Mr. President, I oppose the sham legislative process that the Senate is facing here. And I oppose the flawed deal we are being asked to ratify. Notwithstanding the improvements achieved in the conference report, we still have not adequately addressed some of the most significant problems with the Patriot Act. So I must oppose proceeding to this bill, which will allow the deal to go forward. I cannot understand how anyone who opposed the conference report back in December can justify supporting it now. This deal was a beast two months ago and it hasn’t gotten any better-looking since then. I urge my colleagues to vote No on cloture.

And this on the NSA:
FEINGOLD BLASTS FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM
Feingold: “The Intelligence Committee Has Abandoned Its Oversight Role.”

February 16, 2006
Washington D.C. – U.S. Senator Russ Feingold released the following statement this afternoon following the Intelligence Committee Meeting.

“The Intelligence Committee’s failure today to begin an investigation of the administration’s illegal domestic surveillance program is inexcusable. The Senate Committee charged with conducting oversight of intelligence matters has a responsibility to look more deeply into the President’s illegal secret wiretapping of Americans. The President has broken the law and Congress needs to hold him accountable.”









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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:41 PM
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65. Thanks for this. Great info. here!
peace.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. excellent article, really exposes the Dems for their spinelessness
insane.. just insane.

I'm thinking Feingold is just about the only honest Democrat in the Senate.

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:14 PM
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49. Why are Drug laws in the Patriot Act?
it makes no freaking sense! Why in the hell did Feinstein put that in there? and why are these fascists holding that up as a banner for an act that was supposed to be dealing with ESPIONAGE AND DOMESTIC TERORISM. ??

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:12 PM
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53. Good question.
:banghead:
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:16 PM
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50. Because our government works for "them".
I don't know who "them" is, but face it: we aren't running things anymore. We haven't been in charge since Kennedy was shot. All we're told is lies, we have no real choice at election time (Nader was right) and now they realize we could be protesting the situation. So we will lose our civil liberties and the vote will be used to justify whatever policies they want to put in place.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:53 PM
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51. Roll over in your grave James Madison!!!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:20 PM
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55. HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS?
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 08:23 PM by fooj
This is from Congressman Conyer's blog...

Flawed Patriot Deal

Based on what I have seen (see NYT story), I cannot support the flawed Patriot deal reached by the Senate GOP and the Administration. It is amazing to me that at a time when the Administration has been caught secretly spying on the American people, meaningful judicial review and standards are missing from this bill.

The new deal will still allow the government to: (i) issue secret intelligence orders for any tangible thing, including library or medical records, if the government can show only "relevance" to terrorism -- the target does not have to be suspected of any wrongdoing; (ii) permanently gag Americans even after they have turned over their most personal information; (iii) search private homes and not give notice to the resident for a month, or even longer - all for the convenience of law enforcement; and (iv) collect and keep personal data in databases indefinitely, including library, financial and medical records. In short, it still places our rights and liberties in jeopardy.

As is usual, the deal was reached without any Democratic input. While it appears some Democratic Senators may support it, that does not make the process or the end result any better.

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I trust Conyers. Just sayin'...

Peace.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:34 PM
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57. Same reason Kerry and Kennedy were virtually alone in the fillibuster
of Alito, I guess.

:shrug:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:54 PM
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58. Maybe Feingold has top notch...
debugging devices?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:56 PM
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59. Or maybe he's used to be all by his lonsome
like he was during the original Pat Act vote. That's my maverick Senator for ya.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:40 PM
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60. Wow. You've got a good one.
At least he stands for something...

Peace.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:32 AM
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61. I've said it before, and I'll say it again . . . on all the REALLY . . .
important stuff, the Democrats are nothing but BushCo enablers and facilitators . . . when it comes to the war, the Patriot Act, bankruptcy reform, etc., the difference between them and Republicans is zilch, zero, nada . . . and that's criminal . . .
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:30 AM
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62. he he - because I sent him a email letter that simply said...
PNAC?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:04 AM
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67. do you wanna know something?
that's a damn good question.
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