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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 11:59 AM
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Top 10 Lessons Learned From The Alito Fight - or - (Why the DC Dems
Keep Getting Their Asses Kicked)

Link:
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/cenk/31684/

(snip - read the whole thing for all 10 points)

. . .

How many of these cycles do we have to go through before the Democrats wake up to the game that's being played? Are they really this gullible? How can they not see how much they're getting played?
Unbelievably, the Democrats actively chose defeat over victory. They had the votes. They just didn't have the courage.

For the love of God, it's not about running to the center. I'm in the center. I (Cenk Uygur)was a Republican until six years ago. The field has shifted. The Democrats are sitting smack dab in the middle of the center. The Republicans keep convincing them to run to the right. Why are they even listening to what the Republicans say? When was the last time you heard of a Republican wondering what the Democrats thought of electorate politics? They don't give a damn. They play their own game.

The most important issue of the year is coming up -- the NSA warrantless spying scandal. The President has clearly violated a federal law. Even his own Justice Department lawyers didn't believe it was legal. He has run roughshod over the Constitution and made preposterous claims it was to get al-Qaeda members inside the US. If it was al-Qaeda, why didn't they just get a warrant? Does anyone really believe a secret surveillance court wouldn't give you a warrant to wiretap a suspected al-Qaeda operative?

Now the question is: will the Democrats finally step up and stay together? If they cut and run from this battle, it will be impossible to support them. Already there are signs that the Democrats have bought into the Republican talking point that this flagrant law-breaking will actually help the
President because it is in the realm of national security. I thought you couldn't pay people to be this stupid. I guess I was wrong. Any Democratic so-called "strategist" who suggests that the President should not be challenged for breaking the law should be fired on the spot.

If we don't learn the painful lessons of the past, we are doomed to repeat them over and over again. What's done is done with Alito. We must move on to the next fight. But I hope to God that the Democratic leaders by now understand the game that's being played. They have to start messaging and framing right now. If they don't do this immediately, they will have lost before they know what hit them. And the country can't afford another loss.
(snip)

:banghead::banghead::rant::rant::argh::argh::banghead::banghead::rant::rant::argh::argh:

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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:13 PM
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1. I'm with you. I used to be a Republican, but I left after I saw Reagan
start to implment policies that were against what I believed in. So, 25 years ago I left the Republican party over the following:

1. Women's Rights - Civil Rights
2. Environmental deregulation
3. Radical Religious Right

And I think I'm pretty much the "center". Now, of course, I'd be considered a "liberal" since I support the above issues AND serious corporate regulation to prevent their rape and pillage of American citizens.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:15 PM
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2. yet they seeme incapable of learnign
and the base is filtering away
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:24 PM
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3. IMO, the problem is ...
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 12:24 PM by hippiechick
... that its the 'fighters' who are contemplating leaving, and the mealy-mouthers who, come hell or high water, will stay and run what's left of the party into the ground.

If it were the other way around, that the fighters would step up to the plate and DEMAND that the party take a new direction, a'la Dean, Feingold & Conyers, then the mealy-mouthers could either STFU and come along, or just go to hell.

So why aren't the fighters staging a knock-down, drag out, battle royale for what this party is supposed to stand for ?


:shrug:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:33 PM
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4. Oh my Freaking God this guy actually makes sense
Cenk Uygur is a freaking genius. Of course no one is listening but hey I hear you Cenk (now is that a name? Cenk? How do pronounce that? Is it useful as a motor oil?) But the guy knows what he is talking about. He has laid out the losing Democratic Leadership strategy and the paranoid, greedy selfish repuke strategy in an easy to understand lesson plan.

So Come on Folks, this is what is going on. Listen to this strangely named man.
Here's a snip: "Do the Democrats think the voters are going to get their point of view by telepathy?"

Well duh, I thought telepathy was what Democratic politicians relied upon. But seriously, where are the thousands of ads explaining what Democratic leaders can really do? Where are the Democratic Leaders when the World Can't Wait and the Rainbow coalition have protests? Where in the world are the Democratic leaders? Like Waldo they are too hard to find even for a crazy, latte loving, liberal Femi-nazi like me.

Here's another gem: Snip (why does DU use snip anyway? Is it in case we don't know you are quoting someone and the quotes are invisible? I don't know but then what do you expect from us Femi-nazis anyway?):

"Then the Republicans point disapprovingly and tell the Democrats that their own base is crazy, radical and can't be trusted. If they "pander" to their base, they will lose all the mythical Republicans who vote for them in red states. Aren't the Republicans so helpful? They just want to help a brother out."

The last time a republican helped me out, I owed 35% interests on a $200,000 loan. Now I can't pay my heating bills but I got a great deal on an outdoor pool. If it would just stop leaking.

So listen to this guy with a name like a motor oil. He could actually be on to something.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:51 PM
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5. And what dems actually got on the MSM when fighting Alito?
Cindy got more press than all the dems combined. If it ain't on the 6 o'clock news, it ain't news.........

zalinda
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:27 PM
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6. If you're interested, here's his website. . .
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 12:16 AM
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7. absolutely right on! . . . kicked and highly recommended . . .
the other part of this is that the Dems either don't see the real and immediate danger posed by BushCo -- or they see it and just don't care . . .

it's far past time for the Democratic Party to come together in opposition to the emerging fascist police state that BushCo is foisting on this country . . . because the time is fast approaching when it will be too late to do anything about it . . .

"Shallow Throat": Do Dems Have a Death-Wish?
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays6w/deathwish.htm
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