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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:02 PM
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DEMOCRATS UNLIKELY TO FILIBUSTER ALITO, developing
www.rawstory.com
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:03 PM
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1. Why?!
They're going to let him slide through?!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:04 PM
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5. Don't know
Just went over to raw to find breaking news and saw the headline. Let us hope that it is not true.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:34 PM
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23. Because if they do, their corporate financing dries up...
That's why! Pure and simple! Corporations know that this is the battle to get them the control they need to get payoff on these bucks they've been paying to institute fully functional corporate feudalism in this country.
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:04 PM
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2. Told ya.
The leadership lacks guts.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:04 PM
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3. infucking credible
what a sad, sad turn of events this is... what a fucking waste of time
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:04 PM
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4. But Lieberman & AAR Said It IS On The Table
Sounds to me like an NFL-style keep-the-other-team-guessing strategy.

Maybe.

Hopefully.

It BETTER be ...
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:05 PM
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6. It better be.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:05 PM
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7. Let's throw a party
in recognition of the rights many Americans are losing. Let's invite the public and republican politicians. We can have democratic senators join in and speak how wonderful it is that they have no guts or convictions.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:41 PM
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27. More like a wake. n/t
n/t
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:06 PM
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8. geez,,,,,
I do not understand why not.

What fight are they saving their dog for????

:wtf:
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RedStateHell Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:08 PM
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10. I was optimistic unti l yesterday
Looks like it is over, folks. Somebody (s) made some compromises and a few deals, is my guess.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:39 PM
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25. Any "deal" should be made with US. We should hear about it!
If we're being asked to sacrifice our lifetimes of living under a right wing court system, we DAMN WELL better have gotten a good deal out of it. Personally, I can't think of anything that can be given to justify not fighting this nomination. If they don't see fit to explain it to their REAL constituents (the people), then I think it's time for the real constituents to find a new party to represent them!
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:33 PM
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37. New Party: McCain/Feingold 2008
kinda crazy but it just might work.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 05:27 PM
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40. Would certainly have name recognition...
... for those looking at a party bent on campaign finance reform!
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:08 PM
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11. What dog?
Honestly, I am dumbfounded and depressed.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/1097640
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RedStateHell Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:13 PM
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15. there is no dog
there is no fight. It's all a show. And then they go slap each other on the back and drink manhattans together and talk about their new boats and housekeepers.

I am just disheartened.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:43 AM
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41. Gotta keep the powder dry
for the big fight.......
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:07 PM
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9. Someone ought to check with Joe Lieberman - he says it's on
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/12/11220/4435

Representatives from DFA groups around the state went to Hartford with Jim Dean yesterday to meet with Senator Lieberman. We went in prepared to talk about a number of topics: the war (and the Senator's attitude toward it), the Alito nomination, the Patriot Act, and Senator Lieberman's uncomfortable closeness with the current administration.

. . . Vicki Usher and Carol (from Marilyn Mackay's group - sorry I don't remember your last name, Carol!) brought up the Alito nomination, and we all were pleasantly surprised with Senator Lieberman said that a filibuster was on the table for him - hopefully he'll stick to his guns!
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:16 PM
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18. If..and only if...
Lieberman leads the filibuster...I'll reconsider how much I hate him.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:22 PM
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19. I'm not asking you to like the guy
Hell, this isn't a popularity contest. If anything this is just another example of why Lieberman isn't leaving the republican party. He's one of our best allies when it comes to women's choice, environment and many other social issues.

So unless you actually live in Connecticut (and you very well may), then it's all a moot point. And if you do live in Connecticut consider this - a vote for Lieberman (in the general election IF he gets the nomination) means a vote for Harry Reid as your majority leader

BTW, welcome to DU :hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:08 PM
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12. No way - I was betting on Feingold to filibuster Alito.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:12 PM
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14. Yeah sure, if anyone will vote the asshole in it'll be Alito
Everyone in committee voted against Roberts except Feingold. This is why I think Russ Feingold is an asshole and lying snake in the grass that cannot be trusted! He did the same thing with Asscrap too!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:32 PM
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21. That's why I thought he'd filibuster Alito to amend for his Roberts vote.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:09 PM
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13. If there's no filibuster, I'm sitting out the next election. Fuck 'em. nt
n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:14 PM
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16. not like your vote would count
or your rep would be worthy.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:15 PM
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17. Me too
what in the hell is the use?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:32 PM
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20. I say chill, and watch, and call your Dem Senator.
This article doesn't amount to anything.

All the souces are unidentified and their comments are presented as private personal opinions.

This reminds me of when some got so upset and outraged that H. Reid said MS Miers was a "nice lady."

Some flipped out, but Ried played the bush crime family like a fiddle on that one.

The same folks are freaking out now.

I don't see that the Dems have an option on this nomination. They have to filibuster or lose the base.



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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:37 PM
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24. I share you're take on this issue completely.
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 01:38 PM by 0007
Filibuster is the answer and would be extremely sweet.
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foreverdem Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:33 PM
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22. We're on our own
If the Dems don't filibuster, they are sending us a message that we are truly on our own. What is the purpose of these hearings, and grilling the guy if he will be approved? What are they saving it for?

America - land of the freepers.
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:38 PM
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38. Senators : protecting their jobs instead of doing their jobs
I am with you, foreverdem.
I posted my letter to Feingold elsewhere but thought I'd throw it on this thread too.
-----------------------------------


Dear Senator Feingold,

Please continue to push against the confirmation of Judge Alito.
He is shady, evasive and holds the key to quite a Pandora's box full of tricks to further erode our democracy.

This man can provide opinions on most issues with pending legislation but not on RvsW ?
Worse still: the Senate is apparently willing to take a stone wall as an answer.

Most of the Senate is clearly out to protect their jobs rather than do their jobs.

Please filibuster, if that is the best way to keep this man out of the Supreme Court.

I wish the rest of the Democrats would show the spine that you do.

Thank you, etc
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:40 PM
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26. It's all part of the strategy. Give them more rope to hang themsleves with
Right? Or is this the rope-a-dope?

Oh, I know- it's keeping the powder dry for "the next time."
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:45 PM
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28. Roe v. Wade, Roe V. Wade
Any study of recent court decisions on a host of issues involving civil rights, worker's rights, whatever,reveal a starkly predictable divided court that if tilted by one vote could do so much hurt no American would know where it was coming from. Thanks to the inability of the democrats to emerge from behind the single most clearcut and emotional issue and of course, the total disservice of the national "news" services, no one, including yours truly, can rattle off even a short list of what must follow the installment of any judge to the right of O'Connor. In some cases of course the swing votes shifted this way and that, but the likelihood of some swing conservative suddenly developing the guts to temper the massacre might swiftly devolve into something like the German courts of the thirties. All the more swiftly should "emergency" or "war" circumstances and no fear of consequences other than punishment by the RW descend form Roberts down. Rehnquist was a GOP hack, Scalia a federalist maniac. The two new judges are more W's men and nothing is more likely to profit than Caligula's rebirth in the Imperial Presidency.

Neither the people, nor the constitution, nor sanity itself would freely support any of what must come. The American people can be so attacked and brutalized by future court decisions that Roe V. Wade can just slip into the numbness as an inevitable, quashed subject, if at all. It is one of those peripheral fobs to nutcase supporters and the kind of social flogging that keeps the masses hurting and hurting each other underneath the untouchable Authority of judicial gods. Mostly what it will be is enshrinement of RW extremism for corporate rule and gutting of democracy as another necessary consequence.

Someone might do better to educate DUers at least, again, on the list of cases that would easily switch to the dark side, based on this present court's history AND what has been lost so far when the swing SCOTUS votes already took away from the people and gave to the GOP.

There has been plenty of cause, besides fighting for highly predictable loss of American rights, to stop ANY of *'s equally 100% predictable, uncompromising, cronyish, bad choices. The Dems have made noise and plans, even some threats, but no commitment. If the GOP is the worst majority party this nation has ever had, the Democrats often perform like the worst opposition party one could imagine, especially since their one foot in the cold water of bi-partisanship and humpty dumpty, special interest parity has been fatally outdated for some time as vicious crimes roll on over their constituents- quite predictably a large majority of the American voters if ever roused properly.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 01:48 PM
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29. I think it's pretty unlikely too...
While a lot of Democratic Senators are willing and able, I don't think we have the votes to swing a filibuster. It sucks, but it's also reality.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:12 PM
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30. This cannot be allowed to stand... DU members this is the last stand!
Is it not?

if not this specific nominee, who?

how far right to the right of the right must dems allow this administration to take the SCOTUS?

And if not the SCOTUS, what?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:15 PM
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31. Hey - only TEN Democrats signed the DSM letter of inquiry -
and THAT was as serious as it can get.

Had more members of the committee signed that letter, then the DSM would have been FORCED as an issue for the committee.

ONLY TEN signed the letter, inclusing two committee members. They needed FIVE committee members.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:21 PM
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32. It's the end for me if they let this happen.
For those who like to blame Nader for all our problems, look no further than the gutless wonders in the Senate for why people gravitate to him and others.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:34 PM
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33. It only takes one.
Just one Senator can, on his/her own, stop Alito from being confirmed. One brave soul to stand up and extend the debate until the repukes give up and go home. That, and 34 others to back him/her up. Surely, of the 45 Democrats currently farting into the senate seat-cushions, there are 34 with some semblance of principle, decency and spine who will stand up for the American people.

No?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:55 PM
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36. Actually, they'd need 41
Pretty tall order when Landrieu, Nelson and company are kissing GOP ass six days a week.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:44 PM
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34. Well duh
Fucking traitors. Goodbye America. Nice knowing you. I'll be there in a few years in the streets. I'm amazed at the depth of my anger as I've been feeling so detached from it.

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men and women to do nothing.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 02:46 PM
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35. why don't we let this unfold before making hysterical oaths? (nt)
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:42 PM
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39. Email and phone Senator Reid and others. Dont despair. They would say
they are not going to do it even if they were, because they want it to come as a surprise and to keep Rove from using it for WH media distraction.

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