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Dems2002 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:12 AM
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How we win -- Republican Corruption Makes us Less Safe
The lemmings in this country are willing to throw away civil liberties for temporary safety. So if they're so scared, why don't we show them how they've been made less safe by a corrupt republican regime.

The evidence is there, but the democrats have not harnessed it into a cohesive narrative that's simple enough to bring to the masses.

We've got defense contractors bribing republican congressional leaders for contracts, we've got infrastructure that's decaying to give tax cuts to the wealthy, leading to broken levees, and a response agency lead by the leader of horse show, we've got a data mining system spying on lefty organizations while republicans refuse to shore up nuclear power plants or buy back nuclear weapons in danger of falling into terrorist hands, we've got people dying because they can't afford prescription drugs that the government is not allowed to negotiate down the price of because the rich pharmaceutical industry gives them lots of money

People are dying because of republican corruption and complicity, and it's time to shout that from the roof tops.

We need to promise to clean up Washington, Catch Osama and Make the Country safer for all Americans.

Dems
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:18 AM
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1. Republican corruption...
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 12:18 AM by C_U_L8R
is bankrupting our country !!!!

The greedy pigs are stuffing their pockets as fast they can...
they know their time is limited before they get thrown out
and they want to take it ALL with them. ALL OF IT.
All of OUR investment in OUR country.
First we gotta stop em... then we need JUSTICE !!
NOW....before there's nothing left
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:19 AM
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2. Please enlighten me on how to do that with a repug Congress.
A change in Congress next year will be in everyone's best interests.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:30 AM
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3. We won't have a Rethug Congress for long....
According to one of the talking heads on Hardball today..

Said that Abramoff was going to hurt far more Republicans than Democrats -- FAR MORE --- and that as a result of what the case will reveal in 2006, quite a few of them will be forced to step down and that Republicans may not just lose the Senate -- but the House as well.

Who know's what lies around the corner for us? Even Timmy doesn't know.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:49 AM
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4. We need to field better Dem Candidates.... Demand it. make Real Leadership
a prerequisite.... and with a well rounded background....
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grhaminbeijing Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:56 AM
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5. Hmmm! You need to review the facts.
"We've got defense contractors bribing republican congressional leaders for contracts".

Who is this and where is the proof? I have read many allegations, a lot fabricated, but have seen no proof. I am with you, if there is corruption from anyone they should go to jail.

"...leading to broken levees."

Sorry, to disappoint you here but it was the environmental groups that defeated the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Government Body not a "rich" contractor) that was prevented from reinforcing the levees and building new ones in order "to protect the wetlands" Well they sure got protected. IT HAPPENED TWICE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS DEFEATED THE NEW LEVEES AND REINFORCING THE OLD DILAPIDATED.


"...while republicans refuse to shore up nuclear power plants."

More of the same rhetoric without facts. Again, it is the environmental groups that prevent nuclear power and the rebuilding/reinforcement. Please come up with some substantiated facts.

"...we've got people dying because they can't afford prescription drugs that the government is not allowed to negotiate down the price of because the rich pharmaceutical industry gives them lots of money."

Again, more of the same rhetoric about rich companies and rich, rich, rich. This is more of government handouts, not just prescription drugs, but the whole welfare scheme.

SINCE WHEN DID A POOR MAN CREATE JOBS?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:11 AM
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6. Hmmm... you need to do your research.
Point 1 is Randy "Duke" Cunningham. You need to do the rest by yourself.

And welcome to DU.

NGU.


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Dems2002 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:57 PM
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8. Here are the facts
I'm going to begin with your conclusion and then return to a point by point response.

SINCE WHEN DID A POOR MAN CREATE JOBS?
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Hmmm, how exactly does this coincide with my opinion that the Democratic Party can beat the Republican Party by showing and proving that cronyism and corruption have made this country less safe?

It's not an argument against rich people, it's an argument against illegal behavior. Frankly, I believe that companies serve a purpose, but they need strong unions and a strong government to ensure that profits for stockholders isn't the only consideration.

Now, you requested documentation without providing any to disprove my statements, but here you go!

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"We've got defense contractors bribing republican congressional leaders for contracts".

Who is this and where is the proof? I have read many allegations, a lot fabricated, but have seen no proof. I am with you, if there is corruption from anyone they should go to jail.
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Uh, who are you and where have you been? This isn't even a pending case and innocent until proved guilty. This is:

"In November, San Diego Republican Congressman "Duke" Cunningham pleaded guilty to conspiracy and tax charges, admitting he took two-point-four (m) million dollars in bribes to steer defense contracts to conspirators."

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4301943&nav=9qrx

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Sorry, to disappoint you here but it was the environmental groups that defeated the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Government Body not a "rich" contractor) that was prevented from reinforcing the levees and building new ones in order "to protect the wetlands" Well they sure got protected. IT HAPPENED TWICE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS DEFEATED THE NEW LEVEES AND REINFORCING THE OLD DILAPIDATED.
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I don't blame the Army Corp of Engineers, THEY WANTED TO FIX THE LEVEES. But the Bush Admin. had other priorities. (And if you tell me that the Bushes gave into enviro's that's a big belly laugh)

"It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.
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"...while republicans refuse to shore up nuclear power plants."

More of the same rhetoric without facts. Again, it is the environmental groups that prevent nuclear power and the rebuilding/reinforcement. Please come up with some substantiated facts.

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There are plenty of facts about the Nuclear Power Industry being subsidized by the government and routinely failing safety inspections.

"But nuclear utilities say they should not be required to protect against enemies of the state, nor should they have to pay for measures they believe are excessive. The Nuclear Security Act would require plants to pay for federal guards, increased NRC security testing, and more physical barriers. "I don't think this is economic-driven opposition," Mitch Singer of the Nuclear Energy Institute said. "It is the industry's position that the way the system is set up now is pretty good."

Industry critics say utility lobbyists are following the same pattern they have for years -- denying the existence of a problem while delaying the rule-making process to save money on security. It's the same approach the airline industry used to stall tougher security measures on airplanes and in airports, said Edwin Lyman, scientific director of the D.C.-based Nuclear Control Institute, an anti-nuclear group. "It's exactly the same at nuclear plants," he said. "The industry is involved heavily in trying to shape things the way they want them. Things slow to a crawl, and meanwhile, the vulnerability is still there."

Additionally, they need subsidies both to build new reactors as well as insure against potential catastrophic disasters which shows that they cannot exist in a "free market."

http://www.citizen.org/documents/NukeSubsidies.pdf

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2002/03/28/safety/

But with or without HR 2983, existing nuclear plants keep their insurance breaks--and, no doubt, industry spokespeople will continue to boast that taxpayer-subsidized nuclear power is "cheap." Congress could, of course, revoke those protections, and force the industry to buy its own insurance--i.e., to pay its own way. But no one in Congress is seriously discussing such radical free-market shock therapy.

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20460/story.htm
http://www.necnp.org/files/TimeNASSpentFuel.pdf
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"...we've got people dying because they can't afford prescription drugs that the government is not allowed to negotiate down the price of because the rich pharmaceutical industry gives them lots of money."

Again, more of the same rhetoric about rich companies and rich, rich, rich. This is more of government handouts, not just prescription drugs, but the whole welfare scheme.
____________________________________

Hmm, it doesn't appear that you're refuting anything I said, namely that the republican congress strictly prohibited Medicare from negotiating down the prices of prescription drugs, which the Veterans Administration and Canada already do with much success, creating a HUGE boon to the Pharmaceutical Industry.


Dems
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Dems2002 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:03 PM
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9. gone so soon?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:14 PM
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7. Good post! Remember the defense contractor who sold the defective
armor on the REPUKES' watch--David H. Brooks, the one who recently threw his 13-yr-old daughter that $10,000,000 bat mitzvah.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/story/369995p-314735c.html

And then there's Duke Cunningham himself. I'm sure his Rolls Royce and French toilets didn't make America safer.

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/11/growing-problem-of-defense-industry.html
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 11:54 AM
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10. It's what Lakoff means when he talks about...
..."a stronger America" (our value) vs. merely "a stronger military" (the Radical RW's rather limited value).

NGU.


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Dems2002 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 11:04 PM
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11. Do we actually have a stronger military?
Personally, it's been so over used and over extended with the national guard being used for purposes unintended, I don't honestly know anymore.

What I do firmly believe is that we need to reinstate the draft. ASAP. But not just a military draft, we need a 3 pronged draft:

1. Military
2. Peace Corp
3. Americorp

Minimum 2 years of service for both genders by the age of 25 -- Pay is: Minimum wage, plus room and board + college tuition grants

This is the only way the country wakes up to what's going on and we educate our youth by experience not just in a classroom.

Dems
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 11:15 PM
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12. A true wake-up call to Civic Responsibility! Braced for the outcry?
NoFederales
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