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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:51 AM
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Impeachable Offense
Martin Garbus has written a post saying that Bush decision to allow surveillance on American Citizens without a court order broke the law and therefore is an impeachable offense. Garbus says that Federal Communication Act makes it illegal to conduct surveillance on people without a warrant.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:53 AM
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1. We were talking about this last night
Isn't this much more serious than lying about a blow job?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:59 AM
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7. NOTHING is more serious........
than lying about a blow-job. At least that's the conclusion you'd have to draw watching the reactions the Republican controlled Congress has had over bush's myriad impeachable offenses. Would someone PLEASE give "W" some head so we can get rid of him? That seems to be the only criteria necessary to get the ball rolling. :shrug:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:53 AM
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2. the problem is not impeachable offenses. there are many and varied.
the problem is a congress willing to open hearings.

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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:56 AM
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3. Bingo.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:57 AM
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5. Which is why it came out now rather than 6 months from now.
They hope people will have forgotten about this long before the 06 elections. Our mission is to not let the people forget.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:11 AM
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10. Or a Year Ago
The story was supposed to come out a year ago and the New York Times refused to write the story because the Bush Administration asked them to hold onto the story for a while. I know you know what was going on a year ago. The New York Times is wrong for not putting out this story during the election and allowing the people to decide what they wanted to do with the information.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:56 AM
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4. This administration is above the law
Haven't you received the memo? Everything changed on 9/11, the Constitution was discarded and * became the Sun God, through whom all things good flow.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:24 AM
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13. No,No,No,
you are only partially correct..The Constitution was discarded when Bush was first appointed President in 2000..And these corrupt Repubs were in the majority in Congress.. Now I ask what do you suppose would have happened if President Clinton would have "spied on Americans".
illegally
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:41 AM
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16. So true - I agree n/t
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:59 AM
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6. Countdown to 06 midterm election
You're going to see a swing to the middle, {For self preservation} in many of the pukes. This is already in progress. Lame duck Bubble Boy no longer has any credability, which undercuts his usefulness. Distance may make the voters hearts grow fonder this time around.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:59 AM
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8. Yes, I thought of that last night.
If the Congress doesn't impeach, then we need to elect a Congress that respects American law. You know, that "we're a nation of laws" crap we used to hear the Repukes spew before they had any power...
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:01 AM
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9. But also, why did the Times sit on this for a year?
The '04 election was impacted by this not getting out then!

This is totally unacceptable.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:22 AM
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11. Gee, if this was Clinton...
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 09:23 AM by zulchzulu
I don't suppose that O'Lielly, InSannity and Limp Pole would be screaming with all their might if Clinton had done the same thing. Could you imagine?

Chimpy said in a PBS interview:
"That whatever I do to protect the American people ... that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people."

Chimpy gets three strikes just in that sentence. He didn't protect the American people by ignoring imminent threats and intelligence warning of 9/11...he has not upheld the law on a wide variety of laws regarding the Iraq War and other issues and he certainly did THE OPPOSITE of protecting the civil liberties of Americans with even just this particular issue.

If this was Clinton, he would have been hanged publicly right after 9/11 was allowed to happen. It would have never made it to this point.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:24 AM
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12. Visualize IMPEACHMENT.
(Who's Martin Garbus?)

NGU.


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:30 AM
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14. He could have gotten the authority legally if he wanted to,but didn't. Why
Was Bush using the NSA for more than just spying on potential terrorists, or was he also doing "opposition research" and corporate espionage on behalf of his business associates as well?

Why else would he have gone to the trouble of doing illegally something he could have done legally if he'd really wanted to?

What was The White House really trying to hide?



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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:39 AM
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15. Violating the 4th amendment to the Constitution he swore to
uphold and protect negates his appointment as President. He is no longer legally the president of the United States - since he broke his oath of office. All that remains is for this to be pointed out and his removal from office.
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