What is your opinion of Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

[nickshepDEM]

I emphasise the Mayor part. I dont want to know what you think of him as a man, a husband, or a human being.

Im just interested in your opinion of the job he did as Mayor of NYC. Was he effective? How was his policy? Etc...

[TomClash]

1. Why? nt

[nickshepDEM]

3. Im trying go figure out if he was as good as some claim him to be.

And does that translate into a presidential run.

[TomClash]

52. Trust me

He is not running for President. Too many skeletons in the closet.

[still_one]

2. he was effective as a Mayor

and did the job during 9/11, but lost all credibility when he started to embrace the lies of the administration

[soleft]

5. in a Mussalini kind of way

[still_one]

30. you have to give him credit for cleaning up NY

you may not agree with the way he did, or is stance that the police are never wrong, which is where I have a problem

[BronxBoy]

58. Do you live in NY.....

or did you when he was Mayor?

[still_one]

68. nope, but I have many relatives there

and yes they are liberal also

hell, my dad was born in Brooklyn

[BronxBoy]

69. Well....

Too trulu\y understand Giulani's legacy yoiu had to live there and you had to be a minority...Black, Hispanic Asian Gay...

We were the ones who saw the true Rudy

[still_one]

76. I hear you, and I agree with you

the incidents where the police KILLED people because they "thought" they were a threat, and he came to their defense showed who the true rudy was, I am NOT that stupid. You don't shoot 40 bullets in an
unarmed person

The other true rudy came out at the repuke convention when he repeated the same lies and linkage between 9/11 and Iraq

No, rudy will lie and cheat to acheive his objectives. I would never trust him

[Captain Hilts]

19. He was a necessary evil after Dinkins, Koch, etc. Now he's just evil. BUT

the White House STILL hates him for being the 'in control' face of authority on Sept. 11th. That's kinda neat.

[still_one]

31. I agree

you articulated it beautifully

[Neocondriac]

4. Like Chimpy...

9/11 saved his political career. He was in the tank prior.

[ComerPerro]

47. Exactly. Granted, 9/11 happened late in his career

but if it weren't for 9/11, people would look back on his term in a much different light

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. I lived in NYC during his time, and I have to say that, overall,

I think he was pretty good. Not perfect, and did stuff I didn't agree with (especailly Disney=fying Times Square - I'm glad he made it safe and built it up, but I wish he had built it to resemble NYC, and not the suburbs).

He was a good leader, effective at what he did, helped the city out of near insolvency, cleaned up the subways, cleaned up the city, and otherwise made it a better place to be.

And yeah, sure, with the economy booming the way it was, this wasn't all Guiliani's effort by any stretch, but I give him good grades because he left NYC a better place then when he became mayor.

[nickshepDEM]

9. Thanks for the info.

[endarkenment]

18. The city took itself out of insolvency

by participating in the internet boom of the 90's - tons of startups and spinoffs, plus the financial sector went through the roof. Rudy just happened to be mayor.

He cleaned up NY by literally bringing back the bum's rush -forcefully moving the destitute out of the high rent districts. Out of sight out of mind, good job indeed.

As others have noted his political career was over -went down in flames with his absurd divorce while mayor lost occupancy of gracie mansion, and he was not going to win against Hillary. 9-11 rescued him and he has been glomming off it ever since.

[BronxBoy]

59. I have to disagree.......

If you were non-white in NYC during the Giulani years, it was a nightmare. Minorities were routinely harrassed often to the point of being killed. This was a guy he didn't bother to speak to any Balck elected officials for almost all of his 8 year term. The killings of Diallo and Dorismond opened up deep racial rifts that hadn't been seen in quite some time.

At the end, even the cops started to hate him because he screwed them on wage increases. If it weren't for 9/11, Giulani would be facing a life out of office that is currently facing Bush.

[Tomee450]

78. Exactly

I'll bet you can't find many black people in New York who would sing the praise of Rudy Giuliani. His administration was a scary time for minorities. The police were like the gestapo and if you were a minority you knew that the police could do anything to you and get away with it. The mayor would always back them up no matter how heinous the act.

[BronxBoy]

62. Gee.....

Where the hell did you live?

I wished I lived there.

:shrug:

[begin_within]

7. Garden-variety dictator.

[FSogol]

8. Didn't his war on crime

double or triple the amount of police brutality?

[Talismom]

24. Yes, yes and yes! See my posting below about this! n/t

[DavidBowman]

35. NO

There were fewer reported instances of police brutality during Giuliani's reign than in the last two-term period. Just some high profile cases such as Diallo.

[NYCGirl]

10. He was a lousy mayor — the police under his watch was losing

respect and were committing consistent brutality. He sold all the small businesses in the city out to the "big box stores" which were considered not welcome in Manhattan before Guiliani. His censorship of art works he personally didn't like was embarassing.

What did he do right on 9/11? He showed up, which is what any reasonably competent mayor would do.

[GrumpyGreg]

13. Consistant brutality by the police? I don't think so.

Out of approximately 40,000 police there were damned few that were brutal.

[Talismom]

25. Depends where you lived and how you looked! n/t

[AX10]

43. The brutality was always against he working class/poor minorities.

And yes Rudy did promote police misbehavior on his watch.

[AX10]

44. The brutality was always against he working class/poor minorities.

And yes Rudy did promote police misbehavior on his watch.

[Tomee450]

77. You've got

to be kidding. Giuliani's administration was a reign of terror for the poor and minorities. There were African Americans who were professionals with money to spend who were afraid to go to New York City because the police harassed so many minorities. They even harassed old ladies, stopping them on the street for no reason. He did nothing for the schools and got rid of gardens on vacant city lots in poorer neighborhoods. He always sided with the police, no matter how bad the brutality. If he ran for governor or president, a lot of this would come out. There are minorities who hate Giuliani even to this day. Most of the people who praise Giuliani are white. The wealthy white elites of the city loved him. He seemed to believe that blacks and latinos were all criminals and treated them harshly.

[0007]

11. As a organized crime figure, I like Kernard Kerik better. (wink)

Humanity paid a big price for clean streets, eh?

:thumbsdown:

[MamaBear]

12. He was strident, divisive, quick-tempered.

I would rate his statesmanship at near zero.

He was interested in making NYC more "family-friendly" -- more gentrified. That's code talk for "more white."

He loved his police and backed them right or wrong. When they were wrong and their victim was African-American, he loved them even more and defended them all the harder.

He was a friend of the big landlords and an enemy of the city's renters.

Rudy Giuliani was a disaster who happened to be able to handle a press conference after a major disaster. Other than than, I don't think he added much to the city I call home.

[Talismom]

26. I totally agree! Well said! n/t

[July]

39. I think you've nailed it, MamaBear.

Let me add that he was in love with his own power, would you agree? My way or the highway type of guy?

[MamaBear]

55. Absolutely.

He did not tolerate any dissent.

[AX10]

41. Exactly.

[BronxBoy]

60. Thanks.....

And let me add that he exhibited the type of moral underpinnings that any Republican would love.

Didn't he divorce his wife as she was recovering from cancer?

[Joey Liberal]

14. He left NYC with a massive debt

He's a typical right winger.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. As I recall

his policies weren't well liked before 9/11. I believe there were incidents with police and minorities/immigrants that inflamed many in the Big Apple.

[Sandpiper]

16. He made hating the homeless fashionable

Like Reagan did with the poor.

[tridim]

17. Four words: Fat Free Frozen Yogurt

Oh wait, that was a Seinfeld episode. Sorry. :)

[gulfcoastliberal]

20. Got rid of the squeege (sp?) people. About all I know of him.

Besides the fact his mistress lived with him and his family and when he moved out it was to crash at some gay friends place.

[Captain Hilts]

22. He's had more female trouble than Bubba. nt

[Democrats_win]

21. Didn´t the appointment of bu$h over Gore prove character matters?

So why insist that Rudy´s bad character not be included? While his wife and son slept in a tax-payer provided house, he slept under the same roof with his girlfriend! This clown has no credibility and only the discredited MSM and the liars in the Thuglican party would give him any.

BTW, I was being sarcastic about bu$h vs. Gore since Gore is a good pious man while by the 2000 election America knew the bad character of bu$h. bu$h said dirty words in public (a$$hole), had a DUI, was known to have escaped serving his country in Vietnam and came from a family of famous liars (¨read my lips¨). Now those who voted for bu$h should also be indicted for bad character for bringing our nation to ruin.

[Talismom]

23. I taught high school in the South Bronx for 2and half years of his

"reign of terror". I call it that because, for my male, African American students, that was indeed how it felt. Once I'd notice that a normally friendly, and cooperative student was petulant and unwilling to participate. When I'd asked him, during class what was up and why the attitude, his closest friends motioned to me to leave him alone and give him some space. After class they informed me that on their way to the subway--their normal mode of transportation to school--a couple cops stopped and questioned them and in the middle of the exchange grabbed this kid and threw him into a wall, held his arms behind him and frisked him. (This kid was big, but gentle and sweet--not someone I could ever imagine being violent.) When they didn't find anything they just told the bunch of them to get going.

The guys told me that this kind of behavior was common in black neighborhoods of NYC since Giuliani "took over". That was just one such story I collected in that period. The guy is a scary street thug with no skills that I could see except threats backed up by having empowered other thugs. I'm so glad he's gone from this city and never want to see him in a position of power over me and my family and friends again.

[MADem]

28. I don't think either Abner Louima or the family of the late Amadou Diallo

give "America's asshole Mayor" very high marks, either.

[BlueInPhilly]

29. Donna Hanover probably has lots of 4-letter words

"... let his family down, and he'll probably let _____ down, too..."

Oh, wait a minute, that was from Forrester's ad. But if I remember it right, he was pro-abortion and death penalty, divorced 2x, and the Catholic Church has not gone after him yet.
:wtf:

[MamaBear]

34. Ah, yeah. Giuliani Time.

I remember being on the C train one morning, we pulled in to 145th Street, a conservatively dressed African American man was stopped by the police ON HIS WAY IN to the station. He protested, saying "I just got here." Didn't matter. They strong-armed him out of there. People around me on the train were pretty much in agreement: He fit whatever today's "profile" was, and he was going to lose half a day's work -- at least -- because of the coat he was wearing.

It wasn't any better for the Hispanic youth in my neighborhood, especially the darker skinned ones.

And when cops ran down and shot (to death) a young woman in my neighborhood, they "high fived" each other before sauntering off.

I never pulled a lever for him in my life, and certainly wouldn't choose him for statewide or national office.

[AX10]

42. Giuliani is a bastard to say the least.

Your story was very common when Rudy was mayor.

[BronxBoy]

61. Amen......

And then there were the "Sweeps".

The Cops would routinely just sweep up loads of Black and Hispanic men in poor communities under the most outrageous reasons. Would literally just cast a wide net and sweep up people under some bogus reasons. Most of the people caught up in the sweeps were put through the system and spent anywhere from 8 to 72 hours or more in the system. And I suspect that the overwhelming majority were freed with charges being dismissed.


Even the whole trepassing game they played during that period was outrageous.

[whalerider55]

27. i could be wrong here, but i recollect....

that his response to the '92 world trade center bombings was "screw them, they can't scare us," so he reinstalled important elements of the NYC disaster response team back into the World Trade Center... which is part of the reason that it took so long for NYC to actually set up a command center to manage the disaster.

as a former NYC'er (by definition, always a noo yawker), he was never my mayor, let alone america's mayor. he was a free-spending republican before it became fashionable, altho his hatred and disgust for the poor and the homeless always stayed fashionable with republicans.

i don't think he'll play well in kansas- his city slicker ways made him an anathema to rural new yorker, and he would not have beated hillary.

whalerider

[hughee99]

33. The first WTC bombing was Feb, 93'

And Giuliani didn't become mayor until Jan, 94. Dinkins was mayor at the time.

[whalerider55]

45. like i said-

my recollection was that rudy made the decision to locate the crisis management center back in the WTC. The reconstruction took some time, more than a year before the lower floors were fully re-opened. i'll try to track down the story later tonite, but your timeline might not have any bearing on when the crisis center was relocated in the WTC- rudy might have done that any time after he was elected- my recollection (again, possibly faulty, but not for the reasons you suggest) was that he insisted on doing it in his own hubrtistic way, despite advice that the building very likely remained a target.

i don't take away from the fact that he showed leadership on 9/11. but when it comes to governing a city that has a pretty broad demographic- ethnically, economically, etc.; he showed a distinct preference for the dominant republican discourse. that being said, you can't just be a mayor of one of thge largest cities in the US and not respond to the very real needs of all the citizens.

whalerider

[GrumpyGreg]

46. How did he get re-elected if he was so disliked by Democrats?

I thought NYC was primarily Democrats so who voted for him?

[Talismom]

48. I recently heard an interesting analysis about how there was a

ballot initiative concerning Staten Island seceding from NYC. It got all the ethnic whites--Conservative Italian voters--in Staten Island out to vote--many more than would otherwise vote. He won by that margin only! Staten Island Conservatives put him in!

[GrumpyGreg]

51. Thanks for the info and shame on the liberal voters who stayed

home.

They got what they deserved.

Needless to say,I believe in voting,not whining.

Sure we will lose sometimes but if more people got off their duffs and went out and voted in all elections the world would be a far better place than it is now.

[MamaBear]

53. I was absolutely hounded by a couple of (white) co-workers

I worked in one of those "white shoe" law firms and one of the more senior people in my non-legal department used to buttonhole me whenever she could, saying I MUST vote for Rudy, that it would be WRONG to let "one of them" continue in office.

It was clear to me she meant "African American" by "them." There was, and probably will be, always a stealth campaign to be sure that high city office in New York City is held by a (1) white (2) man.

Frankly, I was happy with David Dinkins. I thought he was making some real progress. The press hated him, of course, because he didn't have the corporate ties.

The business of business is politics these days, and has been so for some time.

I live in a mixed neighborhood, so I don't get the luxury of xenophobia, but a lot of neighborhoods in Staten Island, and Queens, and parts of Brooklyn, and the Upper East Side of Manhattan, are, no matter which party they're registered in, very conservative, quite white (or enwrapped in I-got-mine), and will vote for the guy who tells them they'll get to stay on top of the heap. Candidates do that by ignoring unions (or busting them), ignoring or belittling pleas for better health care and public education, and, most important, affordable housing.

Because if you can't afford here now, you can't be here now. Giuliani poured a whole lot of gas on that particular fire. Bloomberg continues, if more politely.

[BronxBoy]

63. There were a number of reasons.....

During his re-election campaign, there was a ballot initiative that was floated that basically would let the borough of Staten Island secede from NYC. Didn't have a chance in hell of suceeding but it brought out the rabid conservative vote in that area. In Queens as well.

The Democrats also picjed the worst possible candidate, Ruth Messinger to run against him.

Look past the surface my friend.

[whalerider55]

95. new york state and new york city

have a long tradition of moderate republicans, a breed that exists in few other locales. they used to be called rockefeller republicans, after nelson rockefeller. Dewey, Lehman, jacob Javits, John Lindsay, and to a much lesser extent, Rudy represent this nearly extinct breed. also, in NYS, at least when i lived there (1955-1982) actually had a multiparty system, in which the conservative and the liberal party, while not having heavy sway, could affix their nomination to a candidate, so that they could provide some coattails. onee year, javits had the nomination of the rebublicans, the conservative and the liberal party.

d'amato and to a lesser extent rudy represent the foaming at the mouth pugs, altho d'amato was your run of the mill corrupt pug machine cog out of long island.

rudy was elected in a close race, and re-elected because there hasn't been a dem who wasn't willing to shoot himself in the foot running for mayor for more than 6 years now.

similar to the inability of the dems to take back the governors mansion in MA. run a real candidate, instead of a party hack and you can win.

whalerider

[Jim Lane]

32. Overrated, especially on crime

David Dinkins expanded the size of the NYPD and reversed the long-standing trend of increasing crime rates. Here's how one Giuliani biographer, Wayne Barrett, summarized the facts:


"In the final days of the administration of David Dinkins, we had 36 consecutive months of decline in the crime statistics across the board, in the seven index crimes. Murder went down 14 percent. Those last 36 months under Dinkins reversed trends that were a decade old. Who should get the credit, the mayor who reversed the trend or the mayor who deepened the trend?

"Obviously, we know who's gotten the credit. The New York Times has done, by my latest count, twelve front-page articles about the decline in the crime rate under Rudy Giuliani. It did one article about the decline in the crime rate under David Dinkins -- and in that 55-paragraph story, it never mentioned the name of David Dinkins. What Rudy Giuliani has managed to do is mug the media into accepting as fact that he is the man who caused it to happen." <http://www.gothamgazette.com/commentary/91.barrett.shtml>


Barrett's article also notes that Giuliani doesn't even deserve credit for removing the squeegee men.

It's a sad illustration of how the media work. One mayor was black and spoke about reconciling all the different ethnic groups in the "gorgeous mosaic" of New York City. The other was a tough-talking former prosecutor who antagonized -- indeed, seemed to go out of his way to antagonize -- people who disagreed with him on anything. I think the media responded to Giuliani's self-promotion, and to their own stereotypes that a tough talker would deal effectively with crime and that a black man wouldn't. Those factors proved more powerful than the actual numbers.

[DavidBowman]

36. He was a capital G Great Mayor of NYC

Because he was the type of mayor that NYC needs: intolerant of crime, no matter how small. However, he has serious authoritarian instincts and would make a shitty President, in my mind.

But he presided over a truly miraculous turnaround in the quality of life in New York City, believe you me.

[Talismom]

49. I disagree that he bore any responsibility for the good that occurred

during this period!

[MamaBear]

54. He was totally tolerant of police misconduct.

And Wall Street misconduct. And all manner of white-collar misconduct.

It's easy to go after taggers and squeegee guys and homeless people (many of whom have been abandoned by the public health system because of their mental health concerns).

Rudy was a typical Republican: slap on a coat of paint and call it fixed. Make the paint white so everybody gets the message.

[BronxBoy]

65. But Rudy was a capital G Great Mayor.......

Goddamn Awful.

:rofl:

[DavidBowman]

86. No he wasn't

Reported cases of police brutality went down over Rudy's entire term. Look it up.

Also, I wouldn't call the guy who prosecuted Michael Milken under thee RICO statutes tolerant of wall street / white-collar misconduct.

He was tough on crime. The city needed it. The city improved. No more squeegee men. They sucked.

[BronxBoy]

64. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DavidBowman]

87. Why are you laughing?

You live in the Bronx and you're still alive, so what does that tell you?

[BronxBoy]

89. BwahaaaHaaaa

Yeah........

I made it out of the scary, scary Bronx in one piece :scared: and It's all because of Rudy.

Ruu-Dee! Ruu-Dee! Ruu-Dee!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




Whew, That was a good one. Thanks


Edited for spelling mistakes I made while :rofl:

[iconoclastNYC]

37. Overrated.

The rising property valuations in midtown and downtown had more to do with what went right during his time in office than any other factor.

[newyawker99]

38. I guess he accomplished some things but I never

liked him. The way he treated his wife
while he was dating his girlfriend was
disgusting.

:puke:

[Zynx]

40. I think he was a scumbag.

Scumbags can be "effective", but I think he's a sleaze.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

50. 3 teacher friends, told me he brought social workers into the schools and

had them tell parents to allow the schools to have their children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD and collect SSI for each child, instead of the pittens that welfare gave them ...so to clear the cities welfare rolls to make him look good, he transferred them from city/state roll onto the federal rolls...what a sneaky bastard.


for more than a year he did this.... everyday in the public schools


oh i hope the GOP does run him for president because then it will be revealed what a slimeball he really is.

[samsingh]

56. he's an idiot who did one thing kind. of right

[NYC Liberal]

57. Anyone living in New York will know about his "moral values"

Like Judy Nathan moving into Gracie Mansion - with the kids and while he was still married to Donna Hanover. And how Donna found out about his intention to get a separation: while watching his press conference on TV.

Donna also kicked him out of Gracie Mansion and he had to go find an apartment to live in.

Whadda guy! :sarcasm:

[win_in_06]

66. He was the right man for the job at the time.

[LSDMTMA]

67. He's an Asshole. That's my opinion.

And a crook, look into how much $$$ he made "on the side" while mayor. SICK!

[skipos]

70. OverRAted. Clap clap clapclapclap. nt

[mtnsnake]

71. He's a nasty, cocky, arrogant, & pompous dipshit who thinks he's cool

but he's not. He cemented his place in my wall of shame when he piled on us during the convention like a crazed neocon. I can't stand the sight of him, I can't stand hearing him speak, and I hate him almost as much as his ex-wife does! He's right up there with people like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, and Coulter who just make you change the channel when their disgusting faces come on. Giuliani is a disgrace to my Italian ancenstry!!#@%XX@#^!

[Talismom]

74. I totally agree with you! He's really nothing more than a street thug. My

husband said his last girlfriend, before meeting me, voted for Giuliani. He said that once he knew that he couldn't see how there could be any future for them as a couple! LOL! I guess I should be grateful to the asshat!

[madinmaryland]

93. I think you nailed him perfectly.

The only reason the economy did so well was that Clinton created a booming economy. All Guiliani did was irritate everyone.

[robbedvoter]

72. Less of a dipshit than Bloomberg - i.e - occasionally a human being

such as when he opposed Pataki. But other than that a GOP blowhard that aggravated race relations in the city and unethical until the end (the stadium contrancts)

[wiley]

73. Pitted groups against each other

and made them fight for basic consideration. He clearly defined the ethos of his time. Wealthy people do not want to see or hear of those less fortunate. The list of atrocities is great. The MSM, especially The Post, buried all the trauma, hardship and indecency of G's actions. The Klan loves the guy, I'm sure. I moved from NYC because of him.

[bemildred]

75. In my opinion, he is a useless self-serving asshole. nt

[globalvillage]

79. When I think of Rudy the first word that comes to mind is

disingenuous.
When he declared, after the towers were hit, "Thank God George bush* is president", It was the worst example of partisan rhetoric I could recall ever having heard.
He disgusts me.
I know that doesn't really speak to his accomplishments (?), but I have very strong negative feelings about the man.

[bklyncowgirl]

80. Guiliani was a divisive mayor who did some good things & some bad things

As an NYC public employee at the time, I did not like him. He was an SOB to negotiate with and city workers got screwed. He probably helped reduce street crime--or at least the impression of street crime.

Like any successful New York mayor, he was an outsized character. New Yorkers like their mayors bold and brash. They'll forgive anything provided the Mayor provides them with the amusement to which they have become accustomed. Guiliani's messy divorce, penchant for getting into fights and even his willingness to parade around in drag on occaision endeared him to many New Yorks.

Except for those in the Black community, of course.

He probably would have gone down in NYC history as a failure had it not been for 9/11. The World Trade Center disaster was tailor made for his talents. I give credit where credit is due. Rudy Guiliani held the city together and seemed to grow in the process.

[adigal]

81. He was not big on civil rights

and he has a real huge ego which needs to be fed at all times.

[leesa]

82. I think he knew about and participated in 9-11.

[ruggerson]

83. The day the Republicans nominate this man for President...

... is the day I admit I took far too many hallucinogenics as a kid.

[elsiesummers]

84. He was good and bad.

One of the better things was stopping aggressive pan handling (like pan handling at ATM's).

He confiscated cars used by drug dealers, which did include the parents car they used to get to and from work - bad.

Dressed up female like Tootsie for a New Years Ball - weird.

Rode motorcycles with Afonz D'Amato in full leather regalia - very weird!

Eminent domained Times Square for corporate Disnification - ultimately probably for the best, but you have to question these tactics when they serve big corporations. Bad means to justify good ends?

Also reduced noise levels and street pissing - Good.

Got contracts back into Jacob Javits Center - Conferences and trade shows had abandoned the center because of mob issues - so expensive that conventions were choosing other cities. Good.

Went up to the S. Bronx and posed claiming they were solving the rat problem but did no follow up. Bad.

Very good at showing up and posing wherever heroes lurked - particularly remember how he managed to show up after a large fire for the photo with the fireman at 3 am. Giulliani AKA Mr. Photo Opportunity.

Overall, not a bad mayor. Much better mayor than Bloomberg (this guy is such a corporate and media whore - rent controls disappearing and fear and terror police searching little old ladies shopping bags as they board buses and my personal pet peeve - the 91st St transfer station).

Giulliani is not presidential material - but definitely more of a real person, warts and all, than Bloomberg.

[Skittles]

85. overrated

WAY overrated

[spacelady]

88. Hack

[BeachBuckeye]

90. A self serving liar!

Remember the Republican Convention when he said "I turned to my police chief, Bernie Karrick, and said to him thank God George Bush is our President". I say that is an outrageous lie for no thinking individual would have uttered those words at that time.

[blm]

91. Rudy "Thank God we had a president who refused to read the HartRudman

Report on Global Terror that was handed to him on Jan30, 2001, or I wouldn't be as rich and famous as I am today" Giuliani?

You do mean THAT Rudy Giuliani don't you?

[Mairead]

92. I'd vote for him before I'd vote for any Bush, but that's about it

He's a fascist, as far as I can tell.

[Nimrod2005]

94. He is a PUNK --- As a mayor...