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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 05:49 PM
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Conservatives' mission: save Bush presidency
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/nation/13212468.htm

<Edwards, the presidential historian, doesn't see that happening: "Reagan's situation was different. There was no broad support among his followers for the concept of trading arms for hostages. Whereas if Bush came out and said, `We screwed up,' yes, that might appeal to independents - but it would infuriate his conservative supporters, who don't think he has screwed up and don't want their president to say Iraq is a failure.">

I think this is interesting. Bush is really stuck - think how the freepers would feel if all their vehement arguing about 9/11 and Iraq, WMDs, etc was pulled out from under them by an apology and admission of fault. But how long can he just pretend that everything is OK?

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 05:52 PM
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1. Keeping freepers happy
How long can you keep saying the Earth is flat with a straight face? It's a remarkable talent.

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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 05:56 PM
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3. Its much easier to do that when you believe that the pictures of the
moon landing were faked by the goobermint and you believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 05:55 PM
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2. Like eating soup with a fork. It can't be done. Sorry, Freeps.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:01 PM
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4. Conservative pundits from George Will to Charles Krauthammer..
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 06:02 PM by ClintonTyree
are on record as saying that an admission of fault and an apology are the only way bush can retain any semblance of credibility and get the rest of the Conservative (?) agenda passed. Of course, bush's loathing of admitting anything he's done was a mistake made this an impossibility.
They resorted to the attack style that they're so famous for but in this instance it is not going to pull their fat out of the fire.
I'm glad that they didn't listen to cooler Conservative heads (when have they ever?) because this is going to expose their glaring flaws to the American public. In the beginning, it was their egos that fooled the American people into thinking they were steadfast and solid leaders. In the end, it will be their own egos that will bring them tumbling down. Irony is so sweet.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:14 PM
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11. Krauthammer just wrote a column raking the nutjob anti-evolutionists
over the coals. It's funny that every once in awhile he shows a glimmer of sanity.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:10 PM
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5. Chimpy Wimpy Sat on a WALL.....Great FALL......
All the Presidents Men...Horses....couldn't put C W Together again...
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:15 PM
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6. bush had been pretending everything is OK since he walked into.....
the presidency 5 years ago and he'll keep on believing it and talking it up until the end of his second term. NOTHING is OK and this country is actually in really, really deep shit, which will be artificially obscured until we get rid of this idiot.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:16 PM
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7. Why should they want to?
Are they so invested in this miserable failure that they can't see the wisdom of admitting the mistake and at least try to keep this fool from doing any more damage?

I guess wisdom is the operative word. It's one they do not seem to understand.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:31 PM
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9. think how DUers would feel
if all of a sudden they really did find a huge stockpile of WMDs in Iraq, all signed "To America with love - O. BinLaden" in sharpie on the side.

And you had to listen to every conservative you ever argued with lay on their biggest, baddest "I told you so"s.

That's what they're facing, and that's why they don't care about anything else but avoiding being revealed as the most gullible people ever. That, and having to take all those "W" bumper stickers off their cars.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:27 PM
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13. That's what is so sad about
the nature of politics today. It is so damn divisive and polarizing that even when faced with mountains of evidence to the contrary people won't give an inch.

I want this over. I don't want to gloat. This is not some dumb ass college football game where gloating is just part of the fun. This is serious stuff. Saving lives and being accurate should be far more important than "Hah-ha, I told you so."

Mz Pip:dem:
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:20 PM
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8. My favorite is: "We shouldn't critisize Buxh or the war....
...until we see how history looks back on this decade"

or:

"Don't critisize the president while he's outside the country".

I wish there was a law that demanded this, because then he'd NEVER come home.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:29 PM
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12. the first mistake this administration made was trying to tell America what
to think. we just don't take to suggestion very well. we tend to learn by example. and bushco sets a really bad, belligerent example... so now America is belligerent. think about it.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:39 PM
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10. He's going to have to stand up and tell freepers they are gullible idiots
And the right used them and manipulated them to carry out their agenda. There has to be a MAJOR dose of humility given to freeperville and soon. Pissypants is going to be hogmeat politically if he doesn't.
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:40 PM
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14. I don't know, but I doubt he is able to finish his term without
being impeached or resigning.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:50 PM
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15. He is incapable of either apology or admission of fault.
Remember his "I take the blame" speech after Katrina? He could barely cough up the words, and nobody in the country bought it.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:25 AM
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16. Exactly; acute egocentricity. Never wrong. NEEEVVVEEERRRR.
Sorry, everyone. My brain hurts just thinking about * right now.
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Murdock Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:50 AM
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17. The Freepers..
Would fall into line lockstep and support him just the same.. Past actions mean nothing to them, all they know is what Rush or Hannity tells them to think. They are incapable of independent rational thought.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:47 AM
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18. "I take the blame" speech after Katrina?"
He didn't, in fact, take the blame. He said that (if) the Fed. Govt blah, blah,
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:08 AM
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19. Hooey- Bush could say anything at all
and his "base" would fall right in line behind him and the apologists and sycophants in the corporate media would play right along with whatever lies and distortions the far right decided to fax them.

As to freeper types, they're NOT rational thinkers- and the sheeple, they don't remember (even if they cared) who said what 3 months ago- much less 3 years ago.

Sorry to be cynical- but that's how it's been playing out for years, and I don't see any evidence to show that it's changed.
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