Heck of a job, D*ck!

[spindrifter]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4436860.stm

I have taken various paragraphs out, and have not indicated the snips--but it looks like the Brits have got it right in this article.

According to Tom DeFrank, who was Ch*ney's counsel before the war,

"There is a feeling on the part of the president, according to people very close to him, that the president got unwise political advice and rosy predictions of how a war and post-war in Iraq would play out."

"There is also some feeling on the part, not only of the president but also some of his closest political advisers, that the Cheney national security operation got a little too ambitious and became too independent of the Bush and state department national security apparatus, and some aides very close to the president are determined that that will not continue."

Rise of Rice

Since January, the vice-president has also had a new political counterbalance, in the form of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - a close personal friend of Mr Bush.

Unlike her predecessor Colin Powell, Condi, as the president calls her, is known to have Mr Bush's ear - and she has used that lever to take firm control of foreign policy.

Add to that Mr Cheney's recent humiliating failure to stop the Senate passing new guidelines for the treatment of detainees - and the vice-president no longer looks all-powerful.

Even the Democrats see him as a weakness worth exploiting, with Senate minority leader Harry Reid saying the vice-president was involved in the "manipulation of intelligence to sell the war in Iraq" and that America could do better.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. "got unwise political advice"

Well, there's the problem. You don't get - and follow- mere political advice when you advocate war. You get military advice from people who have actually served, and you follow it. But these people have always been arrogant know it alls.

[global1]

2. Sorry - The Buck Still Stops At *.......

as a manager/president - he should have not let that happen. If it did happen - under the *'s guidance of KKKarl - then - *'s (as you use "closest political advisors" "*'s people - his aides that are determined that this will not continue" were in on it. They let it happen.

Now it only looks like they are trying to save * by blaming others.

If * or his people suspected this was happening - he could have pulled in the reigns on Cheney. He could have accepted Rummy's resignation.

He didn't - * is to blame.

[spindrifter]

4. This is what happens when we have a puppet

Pres. * has never been the guy in control. When did anyone ever think he had an idea of his own? Wonder if he's ever gone to Pappy and complained about the sh*tstorm he's gotten into with all of this neocon dreck surrounding him and that's why he and Pappy no longer speak.

[Jane Austin]

3. Are you sure about this:

You say
"According to Tom DeFrank, who was Ch*ney's counsel before the war,"

Where is that stated in the article?

It does say DeFrank has known Cheney since 1975, and there is this paragraph

The campaign to topple Saddam Hussein was driven by Mr Cheney, who had been the defence secretary during the first Gulf War. And Tom DeFrank says the vice-president's pre-war counsel is now coming back to haunt him.

Please correct me if my eyesight is failing me, but I just can't find the information about DeFrank being Cheney's Counsel.

[spindrifter]

6. I accept the correction. You are absolutely right.

[Burried News]

5. Yeah a little too ambitious - like Hitler and Stalin.

"that the Cheney national security operation got a little too ambitious "