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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:34 AM
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Why did Kerry retract the truth and defame a noted author?
Good question, and this picture has the answer, even if it's a photoshop job.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/11/in-colosseum.html

I haven't wanted to think about John Kerry - like, ever again - but his flat denial last Friday of having admitted the election was stolen is now stuck in my head like that image above of Poppy Bush and his amazing technocratic dreamcoat. (And just so you know, I did paste Kerry's head in the picture, but I didn't do a thing to the jacket.)

Kerry's sister Peggy invited author Mark Crispin Miller to a fundraiser for the expressed purpose of pressing a copy of Fooled Again into the hands of the Janus-faced Bonesman. "You were robbed, Senator," said Miller, and Kerry replied he knew it, and with a "gesture of extreme frustration" described how the issue wasn't finding traction with colleagues on the Hill. (He said he'd recently argued with Chris Dodd about electronic voting, who held "there's nothing there.") The likelihood of his spearheading a Senate investigation into 2004 was doubtful, said Kerry, because of the "sour grapes" factor. Then, I expect, Kerry took his glad hand elsewhere, and didn't give his remarks another thought until his office needed to retract them:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:35 AM
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1. Again -Get over it - There has been more than 30 threads on the subject
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:37 AM by Mass
Read them - Get informed - There is nothing new here.

Our guys WON yesterday. Why start another of these threads. Rejoice.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:45 AM
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8. if there are 30 threads
it's because the subject is important, why do you want to silence it?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:48 AM
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11. I dont want to silence it - I just said it is old.
You may want to keep informed.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:56 AM
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20. it's not old
it just happened, two days ago. If you don't care to discuss it, you don't have to take part in it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:57 AM
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23. Not taking part - just noting a point
Dont worry, I am just amused by the fact that you are so frightened by Kerry that you bring him back again to bash him.

Obviously, if he had 15 supporters as you say, you would just be dismissing him.


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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:37 AM
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2. THE truth, huh?
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:40 AM by tuvor
One person has one recollection, the other has a different one. What do you know that the rest of us don't?

FWIW, I don't care one way or the other who really said what. ON EDIT: More accurately, I don't come down on one side or the other.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:38 AM
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3. What's your point? Some advice:
donate to DU, do a search, and you'll see this has been discussed AD NAUSEUM!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:38 AM
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4. You seem to have an unhealthy obsession. Why bring this up AGAIN?
Chill.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:41 AM
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5. Better Question: Why did bush lie and murder innocent Iraqis?
And lead tens of over 2050 soldiers to their violent, bloody death?

Why?
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:46 AM
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9. Kerry voted for this corrupt war
didn't he?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:57 AM
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:53 AM
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16. And why isn't the MSM talking about
the white phosperous reports out of Italy? That is pretty damn shitty, and yet noone is talking about it.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:42 AM
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6. Do you have absoultely no concept of fact checking?
Miller's statements just don't hold up. Maybe they are his impression of a conversation (and therefore I'm not saying he is outright lying), but his statements contradict the other known facts about Kerry's efforts regarding election reform.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:48 AM
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10. you are flip-flopping too
no, Miller is not lying, yes he is. No wait. It's his impression, no, no, it's Kerry's.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:44 AM
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7. Why the hell would we go back to this? We wouldn't want to actually
enjoy some of the wins from last night for more then 12 hours before engaging the circular firing squad.:eyes:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:50 AM
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13. Democrats would.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:51 AM
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14. I am enjoying immensely last night's win
I can do more than one thing at the same time, thank you. And by the way, this is a headline on BuzzFlash this morning.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:50 AM
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12. Wow it's hostile in here today
It's a legitimate question and doesn't deserve the angry pile-on it's getting. I'd like someone to answer the question without sarcasm or insults. Why DID he deny saying it? Why DIDN'T he say it on November 3, 2004, when it was obvious the election had been stolen from us? Why DID he cave so quickly, unless he was bought off?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:51 AM
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15. As I said, search the 30 threads or so on this subject - You can find the
answer. I gave my answer in about half a dozen or so and dont think necessary to repeat myself because this person was not paying attention at the time.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:54 AM
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17. thank you
the 10 or 15 Kerry supporters in the country can't stand any type of confrontation with facts.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:58 AM
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24. I've noticed that--I got piled on like this a couple days ago
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:58 AM
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25. Because you are wrong. Too bad you cant stand the truth.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:02 AM
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30. Nice try, Mass. There's no reasoning with these folks.
Also, they're not worth it.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:59 AM
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26. I don't see it that way at all.
Generally, if there is a divergence of opinion between two people, who would YOU be most likely to believe? The person pushing a new book, or the other guy?

Get real.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:05 AM
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33. so everyone writing a book is
automatically a liar? Get real.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:54 AM
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18. This has been beaten to death already. This is extremely unproductive.
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 11:07 AM by Pirate Smile
Some people are angry, some aren't - and none of that is probably going to change.

What is the friggin point! No one here can honestly answer your questions and you have probably already answered them for yourself, I'm sure, so why keep beating that poor damn dead horse.

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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:57 AM
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21. Amen! Poor "Jaded" has run smack into some old Kerrybots.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:00 AM
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27. Maybe a Kerry bashers group should be formed. Some people really
seem to need to do this on a daily basis.

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BL611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:55 AM
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19. Because Kerry LOST
and he knows it. As was mentioned earlier there are many refutations available online to Miller's book, and all off the other Bush stole the election theories, I would say take a look at them before you espouse your "truth".
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:00 AM
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28. He did? Not according to the GAO
Powerful Government Accounting Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
October 26, 2005

As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling.

The latest critical confirmation of key indicators that the election of 2004 was stolen comes in an extremely powerful, penetrating report from the General Accounting Office that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage.

The government's lead investigative agency is known for its general incorruptibility and its through, in-depth analyses. Its concurrence with assertions widely dismissed as "conspiracy theories" adds crucial new weight to the case that Team Bush has no legitimate business being in the White House.

Nearly a year ago, senior Judiciary Committee Democrat John Conyers (D-MI) asked the GAO to investigate electronic voting machines as they were used during the November 2, 2004 presidential election. The request came amidst widespread complaints in Ohio and elsewhere that often shocking irregularities defined their performance.

According to CNN, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee received "more than 57,000 complaints" following Bush's alleged re-election. Many such concerns were memorialized under oath in a series of sworn statements and affidavits in public hearings and investigations conducted in Ohio by the Free Press and other election protection organizations.

The non-partisan GAO report has now found that, "some of concerns about electronic voting machines have been realized and have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes."

The United States is the only major democracy that allows private partisan corporations to secretly count and tabulate the votes with proprietary non-transparent software. Rev. Jesse Jackson, among others, has asserted that "public elections must not be conducted on privately-owned machines." The CEO of one of the most crucial suppliers of electronic voting machines, Warren O'Dell of Diebold, pledged before the 2004 campaign to deliver Ohio and thus the presidency to George W. Bush.

Bush's official margin of victory in Ohio was just 118,775 votes out of more than 5.6 million cast. Election protection advocates argue that O'Dell's statement still stands as a clear sign of an effort, apparently successful, to steal the White House.

Among other things, the GAO confirms that:

1. Some electronic voting machines "did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, thus making it possible to alter them without detection." In other words, the GAO now confirms that electronic voting machines provided an open door to flip an entire vote count. More than 800,000 votes were cast in Ohio on electronic voting machines, some seven times Bush's official margin of victory.

2. "It is easy to alter a file defining how a ballot appears, making it possible for someone to vote for one candidate and actually be recorded as voting for an entirely different candidate." Numerous sworn statements and affidavits assert that this did happen in Ohio 2004.

3. "Falsifying election results without leaving any evidence of such an action by using altered memory cards" can easily be done, according to the GAO.

4. The GAO also confirms that "access to the voting network was easily compromised because not all digital recording electronic voting systems (DREs) had supervisory functions password-protected, so access to one machine provided access to the whole network." This critical finding confirms that rigging the 2004 vote did not require a "widespread conspiracy" but rather the cooperation of a very small number of operatives with the power to tap into the networked machines and thus change large numbers of votes at will. With 800,000 votes cast on electronic machines in Ohio, flipping the number needed to give Bush 118,775 could be easily done by just one programmer.

5. Access "to the voting network was also compromised by repeated use of the same user IDs combined with easily guessed passwords," says the GAO. So even relatively amateur hackers could have gained access to and altered the Ohio vote tallies.

6. "The locks protecting access to the system were easily picked and keys were simple to copy," says the GAO, meaning, again, getting into the system was an easy matter.

7. "One DRE model was shown to have been networked in such a rudimentary fashion that a power failure on one machine would cause the entire network to fail," says the GAO, re-emphasizing the fragility of the system on which the Presidency of the United States was decided.

8. "GAO identified further problems with the security protocols and background screening practices for vendor personnel," confirming still more easy access to the system.

In essence, the GAO study makes it clear that no bank, grocery store or mom & pop chop shop would dare operate its business on a computer system as flimsy, fragile and easily manipulated as the one on which the 2004 election turned.

The GAO findings are particularly damning when set in the context of an election run in Ohio by a Secretary of State simultaneously working as co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Far from what election theft skeptics have long asserted, the GAO findings confirm that the electronic network on which 800,000 Ohio votes were cast was vulnerable enough to allow a a tiny handful of operatives -- or less -- to turn the whole vote count using personal computers operating on relatively simple software.

The GAO documentation flows alongside other crucial realities surrounding the 2004 vote count. For example:

· The exit polls showed Kerry winning in Ohio, until an unexplained last minute shift gave the election to Bush. Similar definitive shifts also occurred in Iowa, Nevada and New Mexico, a virtual statistical impossibility.

· A few weeks prior to the election, an unauthorized former ES&S voting machine company employee, was caught on the ballot-making machine in Auglaize County

· Election officials in Mahoning County now concede that at least 18 machines visibly transferred votes for Kerry to Bush. Voters who pushed Kerry's name saw Bush's name light up, again and again, all day long. Officials claim the problems were quickly solved, but sworn statements and affidavits say otherwise. They confirm similar problems in Franklin County (Columbus). Kerry's margins in both counties were suspiciously low.

· A voting machine in Mahoning County recorded a negative 25 million votes for Kerry. The problem was allegedly fixed.

· In Gahanna Ward 1B, at a fundamentalist church, a so-called "electronic transfer glitch" gave Bush nearly 4000 extra votes when only 638 people voted at that polling place. The tally was allegedly corrected, but remains infamous as the "loaves and fishes" vote count.

· In Franklin County, dozens of voters swore under oath that their vote for Kerry faded away on the DRE without a paper trail.

· In Miami County, at 1:43am after Election Day, with the county's central tabulator reporting 100% of the vote - 19,000 more votes mysteriously arrived; 13,000 were for Bush at the same percentage as prior to the additional votes, a virtual statistical impossibility.

· In Cleveland, large, entirely implausible vote totals turned up for obscure third party candidates in traditional Democratic African-American wards. Vote counts in neighboring wards showed virtually no votes for those candidates, with 90% going instead for Kerry.

· Prior to one of Blackwell's illegitimate "show recounts," technicians from Triad voting machine company showed up unannounced at the Hocking County Board of Elections and removed the computer hard drive.

· In response to official information requests, Shelby and other counties admit to having discarded key records and equipment before any recount could take place.

· In a conference call with Rev. Jackson, Attorney Cliff Arnebeck, Attorney Bob Fitrakis and others, John Kerry confirmed that he lost every precinct in New Mexico that had a touchscreen voting machine. The losses had no correlation with ethnicity, social class or traditional party affiliation---only with the fact that touchscreen machines were used.

· In a public letter, Rep. Conyers has stated that "by and large, when it comes to a voting machine, the average voter is getting a lemon - the Ford Pinto of voting technology. We must demand better."

But the GAO report now confirms that electronic voting machines as deployed in 2004 were in fact perfectly engineered to allow a very small number of partisans with minimal computer skills and equipment to shift enough votes to put George W. Bush back in the White House.

Given the growing body of evidence, it appears increasingly clear that's exactly what happened.

--
Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008, available via http://freepress.org and http://harveywasserman.com. Their WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO, with Steve Rosenfeld, will be published in Spring, 2006, by New Press.

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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:04 AM
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31. there are conflicting reports as
to what Kerry himself thinks about the election, as we can see from this controversy.

If you think Bush, who clearly stole 2000, and is capable of much worse things, like mass-murder, couldn't steal it again in 2004, then you are the one with a problem with the truth.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:01 AM
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29. Nice try, but I support and will continue to support Kerry
Despite all the smearing now going on here at DU.

You is wasting yourz time.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:04 AM
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32. It's late, idiotic posts like this that make GD:P resemble a FOX news
employee lounge!
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:07 AM
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34. He Is Part Of The DLC/DNC, Isn't He?
That group is clueless and almost as elitist as the Dark Side. They do not seem to want to even know about We The People, as do many suits who pretend to know when they do not actually have a clue. They proved it big time in the last election by refusing to listen to and believe The People and what we tried to tell them. They gave bad advise to Kerry and he listened, mostly because he is one of them. To these people it seems that it is better to go along with Rethuglican Lite than to actually support true change because they might lose something from it (that they don't need anyway, they have enough for themselves and hundreds of other people for God's sake) ~ and God forbid if the rest of us gain and we ALL have what we need!

I have seen it many times in my own travels as an activist with so-called "experts" on some issue where they could not find their way out of a paper bag. DSHS is full of so-called "liberals" who are clueless, and they do not even *want* a clue as to what is going on with the people about whom they make a living off the backs of, from the people they are getting paid to serve. This is my main observation, they have studied poverty, but never lived it and have enough hubris to believe that just because they have degrees in it or read a lot of books (by other elitists), then of course they know better than the person actually living in poverty and so they refuse to listen to experience as to what could be done about it. Poverty as in many other things such as environment, healthcare, is a business now, especially with the government stepping out of it and putting it in the hands of private citizens, so non-profits are also part of this. It is now more than ever, a way of making a living and you do not want to rock the boat and take that away from them, would you?

In the government and politics it looks like to me the suits are all just the same suits. It does not matter much what 'side' they are on, all you can do is appeal to their greed or they will not listen. It is just that some people's greed is answered better for the rest of us than others because maybe the desires are a tad bit more egalitarian is all. Kerry is no different. It is better to pretend that there is nothing to see here, just move along, than to actually face the truth or at least the tough questions because it might shake HIS tree. This is what they all do, in my experience.

This is my (cynical but experienced) take

Cat In Seattle <---who still believes you still shake the tree because it badly needs shaking even if they don't listen and keep clinging to the dead branches like half dead barnacles
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:07 AM
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35. Locking.
Please do not post new threads that are designed only to continue previous flamewars.
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