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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:41 PM
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Through all the cheering for the Dems today, where are the ones who
voted for the IWR today? Have they said clearly and unequivocally that their vote was wrong? I'll will certainly accept an "I was lied to by the President" defense. I can not tolerate a steadfast continued support for the war.

No blue state Senator has any excuse now.

The red staters ..... I'll let 'em go a while longer. Better a silent Democrat in a red state seat than any flavor Republican.

So .... Joe? Joe? Diane? John? Hillary? Ya listenin'?

Yer leader, the grossly underestimated Harry gave you a chance today. Take it.

That is all.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:43 PM
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1. Yeah. What happened to "You cheated, you lied,
you said there were weapons"?
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:43 PM
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2. When I spoke with Joe's office this afternoon -- he hadn't
decided if he would support Senator Reid. What guy! Joe, you need to go!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:44 PM
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3. Really? I'm honestly shocked! What's not to support? nt
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:48 PM
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7. Biden is an idiot.
Fuck him, and all the Russerts and other whoring MSM's he loves to chat with.
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:49 PM
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8. Sorry, not that Joe -- the other one -- the REAL idiot.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:45 PM
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4. Kerry did, in his speech last week.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:45 PM
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5. Kerry's statement today:
SENATOR JOHN KERRY (D-MA): “For a year and a half, the Republican leadership in Congress has refused again and again to complete Phase II of their investigation into pre-war intelligence failures. All the requests I and other Senators have made of the Intelligence Committee for more information have been pushed aside. The Republican leadership has been complicit in a political cover-up of the decisions that led to war. Nothing could be more serious or more deserving of full public disclosure. The families of our troops deserve the truth, as does every American. Now that one of the chief architects of the war in Iraq has been indicted for related crimes, it is more important than ever to know how intelligence was presented to the Congress.

“The country and the Congress were misled into war. It is deeply troubling that the Republicans in Washington are so afraid to share the truth with the American people. Clearly it will require an independent, outside investigation to get to the bottom of this.”
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:52 PM
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9. C'mon John ...... you can do it ...... you're almost there .......
Just say it. You'll feel better, Senator John. Really. You will. Honest.

Repeat after me ....... "I ...... was ..... lied ..... to ..... and .... because .... of ..... that ...... my ..... vote ..... was ...... wrong."

There, John ..... didn't that feel cleansing?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:09 PM
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11. See Kerry's speech at Georgetown last week:
This will appease you, maybe.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=952

snip/

The country and the Congress were misled into war. I regret that we were not given the truth; as I said more than a year ago, knowing what we know now, I would not have gone to war in Iraq. And knowing now the full measure of the Bush Administration’s duplicity and incompetence, I doubt there are many members of Congress who would give them the authority they abused so badly. I know I would not. The truth is, if the Bush Administration had come to the United States Senate and acknowledged there was no “slam dunk case” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, acknowledged that Iraq was not connected to 9/11, there never would have even been a vote to authorize the use of force — just as there’s no vote today to invade North Korea, Iran, Cuba, or a host of regimes we rightfully despise.

I understand that as much as we might wish it, we can’t rewind the tape of history. There is, as Robert Kennedy once said, ‘enough blame to go around,’ and I accept my share of the responsibility. But the mistakes of the past, no matter who made them, are no justification for marching ahead into a future of miscalculations and misjudgments and the loss of American lives with no end in sight. We each have a responsibility, to our country and our conscience, to be honest about where we should go from here. It is time for those of us who believe in a better course to say so plainly and unequivocally.


more...
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:12 PM
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12. That's pretty good.
It is the first time I've seen that. Thanks.

I hereby temper my view of Senator Kerry.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:15 PM
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13. Then I have succeeded! I thought it
was brilliant! CSPAN showed it several times, including the Q/A after, w/o benefit of vetted crowds. Ah, if only...
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 07:36 PM
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14. Hey ... I voted for him. I feel vindicated, too!
:thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:02 PM
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16. The media wasn't going to report on his Iraq speech. He also offered a
withdrawal plan and that is ESPECIALLY why they won't report on it.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:46 PM
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6. This issue is the only thing that keeps me from supporting Edwards
One of his constituents from NC posted his lame assed defense email about why he voted for the IWR at the beginning of the war, and neither he nor Kerry ever really back tracked from it.

If after today, noone speaks up, they can kiss my vote bye bye if they are running for Prez.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:53 PM
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10. You can FORGET Holy Joe
He's into protecting his main homeland.....or thought he was. Turns out IraqNam is making the Middle East a haven for even more extreme anti xtian and anti-semitic thought and action....on steriods
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:53 PM
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15. Good post.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:05 PM
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17. I'm telling Carper and Biden the following:
I will not donate money towards any future campaigns nor will I volunteer unless they back Harry Reid and his fight to get the truth about why we went to war. I always defended my senators because I stood 5 feet from Joe Biden as he told me and a group of us listening to him casually talk about the potential war vote and how ultimately he has to consider the evidence being presented to him. I was upset that he supported it but now that we know he was given falsefied information he needs to stand up with Reid on this issue.

I will still vote for Carper and Biden, but I'm a hardworking gal who loves to go out and campaign and donate her money to candidates. It will not go to either of them EVER if they won't back Reid on this issue.
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