The Hegelian roots of Bush's Katrina recovery -- discuss?

[grasswire]

Just googled "Bush Hegel" to revisit the information about the Bush family's affection for Hegelian theory (the use of controlled chaos to generate massive riches for elites). Anyone feel like discussing this as it pertains to the massive planned recovery for New Orleans?

Anyone needing a primer on the Bushes and Hegel can find stuff here:

http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

Consider the Hegelian dialectic: through reason and the application of the scientific method, it is possible to create a pre-determined outcome. The state is absolute, individuals are granted their freedoms based on their obedience to the state, controlled conflict, by an intellectual elite, can produce a pre-determined outcome.


Now consider this: William Huntington Russell (founder of Skull & Bones) studied Hegelian theory in Berlin in the 1800s and was inducted into a secret Hegel society there. From the link above: "Russell, being a child of the Wall Street banking elite, quickly realized the implications. Hegel’s philosophy and the “Scientific Method” could be applied to banking: Through controlled conflict, it was possible to create a synthesis in the form of incredible financial wealth. Those engaged in this conflict would require financing.

Controlled conflict, when conducted in secret, would be good for business. Indeed, secrecy is mandated when the dialectic is applied to the creation of “opposing forces” who are to be manipulated into engaging in a “controlled conflict.” Secrecy is also necessitated so that the opposing forces do not realize that the same banks are providing funds to both of those in conflict."

[Julius Civitatus]

1. Very good theory

I just recommended your thread. Good stuff.

:hi:

Nevertheless this "Hegelian transfer" is older than Hegel. It has been used by rulers since the dawn of time for many obscure reasons. It's even in Machiavelli's "The Prince" as a way to change powers in the midst of chaos, using chaos to "take care of things" hiding in plain sight.

The bombing of Baghdad and subsequent chaos and looting comes to mind.

[grasswire]

2. of course

I'm thinking the same grid was laid over Katrina that was used in Baghdad. Allow chaos, transfer wealth, sweep it all up, related and not. In the process, the Davis Bacon act is rescinded, eminent domain is used to confiscate property, presidential authority is strengthened, and God knows what else.

What can we discern? Perhaps the Department of Homeland Security is MEANT to be toothless and disorganized?

I'd really like to hear what some strategic thinkers and conspiracy "theorists" have to say about the Great Games and Grand Plans.

[Julius Civitatus]

8. You just have to look at the quick contract to Halliburton

to realize how they do it. They wasted no time in making sure that if any money was to be made out of this horrible tragedy, that money ended in the right hands.

Sometimes I think Halliburton is not necessarily a corporation, but rather the largest money transfer machine this side of a Ponzi scheme.

It really is outrageous what they are doing. The people in government awarding huge no-bid government contracts to companies they manage (or are affiliated with) themselves. One hand washes the other... good ol' boys...

It makes me nauseous, really.

[flowomo]

3. I subscribe to the Bagelian theory about Bush's head...

they both are round with huge holes in them.

[Wordie]

6. LOL!!!!

[newswolf56]

4. The "controlled conflict" doctrine surely explains not only...

what is happening in New Orleans, but also what is happening in Iraq -- events in both places as deliberate manifestations of methodically crafted policy.

Once again, my core argument that it is a suicidal error to fall prey to the "Bush is a moron" syndrome. Bush is in fact the most cunningly tyrannical president in U.S. history -- the ultimate fulfillment of the American oligarchy's long-range plan to restore capitalism to its former savagery: the concentration of wealth and the brutal disempowerment of anyone who has to work for a living.

[Wordie]

7. Bush is one of those people who is at once brilliant and stupid. He

certainly is not the down-home-Texas regular guy that he projects. His IQ, according to what I've read, is higher than Kerry's. The stupid part comes from the blind application of uber-conservative ideology: he is apparently unable to see the negative consequences of his actions, so convinced is he that the ideas that motivate them are correct. He lacks the capacity for self-analysis and reflection, apparently.

Intelligence and that sort of blindness is a dangerous combination.

As for Hegel, I understand that he is one of those theorists who has been for ages misquoted to justify all sorts of horrible "isms," some of which are contradictory. His work is currently undergoing a sort of philosophical rehashing, with new translations, etc. I know I studied Hegel, but must admit my memory of much of the specfics is quite dim. I agree with the earlier poster that if anything, the strategy sounds Machiavellian.

[newswolf56]

11. What we as Leftists far too often fail to understand...

is that what we (by every inclination and instinct) label "negative consequences" -- for example an atrocity like New Orleans -- are fully "positive consequences" from the perspective of Conservatism: especially from the perspective of that subset of Conservatism that is known as fascism. The opportunistic elimination of the poor (whether via warfare or precisely as we have seen in the increasingly documented deliberate withholding of aid and obstruction of rescue efforts) is part of the Conservative agenda of concentrating wealth not only by skyrocketing prices but by downsizing, outsourcing, pension-looting, forcible wage-reduction, cancellation of health insurance and elimination of social services. Thus the vital utility of the (deliberately obscured) historical truth of class-struggle: Literally, every impoverished, aged or disabled person killed in New Orleans means that much more money for the oligarchy; every survivor thereby terrified into working for lower wages and fewer benefits means -- again -- that much more money for the oligarchy. But without the common denominator of class-struggle (of which wholesale racial discrimination is a uniquely American and especially ugly manifestation), we fail to see the total picture.

Thus as long as those horrible truths remain hidden, the people will be powerless to resist. That is precisely why acknowledgment of the truth of class-struggle is so terrifying to the corporate powers that be -- why they are already working overtime to flush the awful disclosures of New Orleans out of public consciousness before the realization of class-struggle can take root and blossom, as it did during the Roosevelt years, into another New Deal.

[Veronicrat]

5. "weapons of mass destruction " found in huxley's APE & ESSENCE

I agree that there are people of intellect who use philosophy to great extent, and to greatly damage humanity for their own ends.

part of keeping the mass of americans in fear & greater poeverty (it's coming)
& ignorance does mean they have greater control over "us" as well.

Im also sure Rovedemort is a student of hegel. Just the legendary "Bush Loyalty" is enough to make me believe that.

free thinkers are generally not easily controlled.

Im only glad that the king of england in the 1770's, George 111 did not have Rove as a minister

[Julius Civitatus]

10. Indeed

I just had to read that again:

Im only glad that the king of england in the 1770's, George III did not have Rove as a minister

Nice point.

:headbang:

[grasswire]

9. it seems that the only way for the people to stop the elites...

...from their designs on us all is to stop working. If we can't stop them through elections and can't overpower them, we can only withhold our labor from them. Oh, and our capital (if we have any).

[Veronicrat]

12. the liberals ain't holding all the guns either...

we have to have greater participation in government-
we who sit and know and blog & want it to be different we almost have to rise up & get involved in local elections

so few people vote- there can be some change. i refuse to give up on th e power of the people
but the people have to realize they have power.

Ross Perot really grabbed so many peoples votes by telling them that. We cant withold productivity
we must be more productive, but in a way to revitalize our communities.
If its take back time its take back on local levels where we do live.
The nation is made up of the undividuals in it.
yes it is a puzzle how- there must be more ideas out there.?????

[blitzen]

13. a very skewed and bizarre interpretation of Hegel

I don't want to get in to a big discussion of Hegel here. But that blurb on "Hegelian theory" bears no resemblance to real Hegel. There has always been a dispute over whether Hegel was right-wing or left-wing. It's hard to say for sure--but his thought inspired almost all subsequent leftists intellectuals, most of all Marx.

One thing is clear and will not be negated by the dialectic: Bush is a goddamned ass.