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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:52 PM
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A must-read letter from Andy Sullivan's blog...(from a Republican)
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 08:52 PM by kentuck
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2005_08_28_dish_archive.html#112576191403113173

THIS SAYS IT ALL: Sometimes an emailer says it better than I ever could. Read this. Read all of it. You know why I endorsed Kerry last time? Not because I liked Kerry or ever dreamed of backing him. I'm not a liberal. I'm not a Bush-hater. I backed the war. Initially, I trusted and supported this president to the hilt at a time of great danger. But I was forced to back Kerry of all people because Bush's gross incompetence at a time of national peril was simply too great a risk to continue. Now we have the proof:

"I've considered myself a socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Republican for a very long time. I got along with the idea that I wasn't going to get a whole lot of help. College wouldn't be free. Job training would cost money and time. And I'm probably a decent example of up-from-not-much.

But after watching what's happening in New Orleans-an American city that I've loved, visited and have always wanted to return to - I can't ever vote for these people again.

Being a Republican means that you expect the government to do just a couple things for you and nothing else. Build a road. Defend us from enemies, foreign and domestic. Stuff that would be a lot less organized if we all had to do it ourselves. Everything else is just gravy.

And as we poured money into Department of Homeland Security, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, I thought, "Right on," because some of that money's bound to fall on my head.

Well, something else would fall on my head first.

I work for the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. And that means that if something really catastrophic happens in MY city, and they ask me to stick around, that's the job. We have A and B teams and I'm a disaster recovery specialist on Team A. I've drawn up plans with names like Drawbridge and Smoldering Crater.

Here's what these people would do for me.

They would leave me there to die.

Look at the facts. There's no coordination on the ground right now. The city has no fresh water, no electricity, no services. The floodwater has so much oil and toxins in it that it's flammable.

In psychology they have what is called a fight-or-flight response. When faced with danger, do you subdue it or do you flee? Some of it has to do with risk assessment, but in this case, there is no flight. There is nowhere to run. So flight means die. If my choice was to pull a pistol on a truck driver or Nat, Jarren, Jayson, or any of you dies, that's no choice at all.

I'm not talking about the looters grabbing big-screen televisions and basketball hoops. I'm talking about the ones that are chest-deep in water carrying bottled water and diapers. You can't tell me for three days to be patient, the bus is coming, and they're piling up bodies in the street median.

We have known that this sort of disaster could occur for a century. Hell, the tour bus driver told me about it on the plantation tour. This means that we have been able to envision the stark reality of this occurring for a week-the newspapers all said the storm would hit New Orleans last Thursday.

A week to get buses? A week to get fishing boats? Trucks? This is the United States! I read someone who said, "All the people who weren't bedridden, or had money, or had cars left. The people that are left had none of those things."

There are people tonight who are going to sleep on overpasses for the fourth straight night. There are prisoners who will do the same. There are people dying at a convention center because no one will tell them that no one is coming for them, and the National Guard is protecting the kitchens. There are police officers who are turning in their badges because they've lost everything, have no guidance, and don't want to be shot by a looter.

There are people tonight inside a concrete domed stadium with holes in the roof and no air conditioning who were told the buses are coming today, and they might, or they might not. There is no food. There is no water. There are bodies floating through the neighborhoods.

In the UNITED STATES.

Some people say that you can't hold the President responsible for this. Oh, yes you can. Because when he looked over at John Ashcroft after the jets hit the towers and said, "I want you to make sure this never happens again," it was not meant to be specific to "no more planes hitting large buildings on the East Coast, right, boss." It was meant that no American should have to run for his life through an American city. While Americans may perish in a senseless, unforeseen disaster, we'd save the ones we could.

And the Cabinet appointees were mushwits and he could barely speak a complete sentence and we're sending people overseas for God knows how long to help people who are indifferent at worst and hostile at best, but they were going to protect us. In 2004, that's all a lot of us needed. Well right now, it's obvious that they can't.

Ask yourself this: What if Al-Qaeda blew up the levees instead of the hurricane? Would the response have been any different?

No. It wouldn't. That city flooded in a day. And if it were Las Vegas, I would have been in some operations center watching people try to decide who gets to starve to death and who gets to get on a bus to Los Angeles or Phoenix. And there would be no certainty that I'd be on that bus in time to protect my wife and kids.

But one thing sure would have been different.

They wouldn't have had a whole week to sort it out and know what's coming. They were supposed to KNOW this already. It will have been FOUR YEARS next weekend since someone probably said, "Hey, what if..."

And for that, the whole stack of them should be fired.

I've had it. I'm done. And if the other bunch of assholes can't figure out that what's important is that babies don't starve to death here (and I'm not talking some metaphorical goo-goo thing with school lunches and welfare, but real, actual starving) and we get people out of harm's way, we'll get rid of them too. And so on.

Because this is about leadership, not about bitching on CNN how no one's in charge, or listening to Peggy Noonan furrow her brow at the Governor's performance, or bragging that we've sent in one National Guardsman for every 200 people, or actually having the audacity to say that "we had no idea the levees would break."

Today, I saw my country favorably compared to Indonesia and Thailand, (always our traditional benchmarks of infrastructural success) while the elderly die of thirst in the street. We sneered at France when this happened during a heat wave.

No more."
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:55 PM
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1. YES!!!! Exactly!!!!
This guy GETS IT!
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cbear70 Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:57 PM
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2. Wow.. just wow. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:59 PM
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3. Very good writing. " They would leave me there to die."
" Ask yourself this: What if Al-Qaeda blew up the levees instead of the hurricane? Would the response have been any different?

No. It wouldn't."


Good writing. I think this is the turning point for a lot of people. Peace
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:27 PM
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24. Another good line: "...I can't ever vote for these people again."
The best, in fact. A line like that gives me hope. If he's saying this, you can BET others are thinking it. There will be some in TOTAL denial, beyond reach, souls that can't be saved. My mother's boyfriend is among those who resolutely points out the "aaahhh, they've known about the levees for years. Y'know CLINTON was there for eight years and he ignored it, too."

Like I said, people like him are hopeless. I've already pretty-much given up on him, not wanting to throw good effort after bad. He's like one of those corpses floating in the water down there. Beyond saving. Even while there still are MANY others for whom there IS still hope. Hopefully MANY more like them and not like him. Statements like those in the email starting this thread give me hope that maybe all is not lost. Most of it, perhaps, but not all of it.

THIS. TOO. IS. HOMELAND. SECURITY.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:38 AM
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53. In my opinion people like him
will only change once they personally are effected and are failed.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 09:32 AM
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58. When he is forking out seventy bucks to fill his car
and his grocery bill doubles because of shipping costs, and his house is cold this winter because he cannot afford the heating oil bill, maybe he will come around. All politics is local...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:06 PM
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4. I hope this man's feelings catch on like
Wildfire!

I learned a new word.."mushwits"!

"And the Cabinet appointees were mushwits and he could barely speak a complete sentence and we're sending people overseas for God knows how long to help people who are indifferent at worst and hostile at best, but they were going to protect us. In 2004, that's all a lot of us needed. Well right now, it's obvious that they can't."

I'm glad he took note of peggy noonan's insipidness. I'm sure she thinks she's coming off oh, so profound.
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:42 PM
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14. Mushwits
I love it, very descriptive. I wish this could be read far and wide. Extremely thoughtful, thought-provoking and stirring. I think there may be a few people that are having their eyes forced open. I hope we don't forget and leave the souls that have been lost, forgotten.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:55 PM
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15. Kentuck - Your post was the most worthwhile piece I've read here today
I only wish it could be picked up and spread around more!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:03 AM
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39. It sounds like these people
didn't need to die..But, for only the lack of leadership.

Which anyone who hasn't been drinking koolaid knows we haven't had since the bushwa staged their coup with the help of our national media.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:07 PM
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5. Congratulations to him on FINALLY seeing the obvious. nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:08 PM
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6. DUer's might want to send this to their Republican
friends and family.

It's a keeper.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:30 AM
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51. I just did
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:08 PM
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7. Wow, that's one helluva rant.
I plan to bookmark this as well as recommend it.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:16 PM
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8. Unless you are rich, the message is......"You're on your own"
But I just read a story on another thread from a Christian site that says decent people who live a "proper" life wouldn't expect help from their government. She reminded us that the Pilgrims only had the Lord and prayers to get them through and they managed quite nicely!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:03 PM
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19. The Pilgrims nearly all died!!
Revisionist history strikes again - or this mushwit doesn't know a thing about Jamestown.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:45 PM
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26. Jamestown did not have any pilgrims, sorry.
I believe you are thinking of Plymouth, Massachusetts.

And Plymouth survived because it damn well did have government and a bloody strict one. They governed themselves with the Plymouth Compact which they all signed. No one was rich, especially not ostentatiously rich. They were all in it together. Although there was no equality, let's be clear on that.

It was NOT every man for himself in Plymouth. The Pilgrims were one inch off a commune. THAT's how they survived.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:47 AM
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42. Pilgrims in the common sense
as in "pilgrimage," or someone being a "pilgrim."

The people who settled Jamestown were most certainly "pilgrims" in that they settled an area never before settled to white man's standards.

And, no, I was not thinking of Plymouth. I was thinking of Jamestown, VA - where many of the settler's died. Jamestown was BEFORE Plymouth: http://www.apva.org/history/

Please - I didn't need a history lesson. I was entirely correct.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:52 PM
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23. The Indians saved the Pilgrims asses
And look at the thanks they got for it. Maybe the Freeps will donate some small pox infected blankets to the Red Cross.

Nah, I probably shouldn't give the sick bastards any ideas.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:39 AM
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54. Then I guess this person fell asleep in US history class
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:17 PM
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9. kik
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:20 PM
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10. An excellent letter with all the right sentiments
It's kinda like awakening from a long coma, but.....

Will these "socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Republican" people finally all say "ENOUGH !!!" and in 2006 vote Democrat ?? Not voting or voting independent or some other party isn't enough - they have to send a message to the Republican party that has been hijacked and no longer stands for what they believe.

THAT particular proof will come in the midterms next year, until then I'll suspend judgement on these "socially libertarian, fiscally conservative Republicans".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:41 AM
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55. That's what I wonder too
Are they just saying this because they're angry with Bush or will they still vote republican the same way in 2006 and 2008?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:24 PM
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11. that is the Bsrubbery in a nutshell.
Five years of blame on others and complete indifference and ignorance if it didn't fit into their scheme.

God bless whomever wrote that.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:34 PM
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12. I bet there are alot more republicans that feel this way.
But this is eloquently stated.


I can't wait to see those poll numbers!
If Geraldo is screaming at Hannity with tears in his eyes, the tide is definitely turning.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:37 PM
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13. kicked and nominated n/t
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Lydia Guerra Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:56 PM
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16. Great piece n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:00 PM
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17. I thank this thinking Republican. I so appreciate this thoughtful,
intelligent and correct piece written by a fellow patriot. Thank you.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:01 PM
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18. Thank you, kentuck.
(Now if even one of the people where I work would wake up, I'd be a very happy person! I'm surrounded by zombie B* supporters.)
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:11 PM
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20. He's actually more "liberal" than many of the Rethuglicans... as if...
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:13 PM by FighttheFuture
that really matters.

What will it take for the rest of them to pull their heads out of their asses and fists out of supply-side Jesus? A nuclear attack? Glaciers melting flooding all the coasts? Major earthquake? Will we survive as a society with any infrastructure of reserves left until they have their epiphanies and mea culpas?

Also, keep in mind, he's finally come around to identify the real looters of this country, the ones that should be dealt with appropriately. It does not sound like he's learned that conservative competition and "your on your own" philosophy is still medieval crap compared to enlightened liberal cooperation and "let me help you out" that actually founded this country and is the only hope for the future, for all.

Still, I will take any crumb from the table, BUT, I want a Star Trek future, not Blade Runner or Metropolis that we are barreling towards in our race to the bottom!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:42 AM
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56. I know how you feel
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 01:43 AM by FreedomAngel82
The republicans who you're talking about are the one's who think Jesus is white with blonde hair. :eyes: And, in my opinion, as I mentioned in an earlier post here in this thread the only way people like them will change is if they are directly effected by the people they elect. Sadly they'll find some way to blame either Clinton himself or the democrats even though we have pretty much no power.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:34 PM
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21. Well, if Andy is coming to our side it can only mean one thing:
There's money in it. It must be a popular idea.

Not taking credit for this one, but to quote a fellow DUer, I'd say this to Andy: We were pissed long before it was cool.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:46 PM
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22. Thank you for sharing this! It gives me much needed hope...
Thank you!

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:31 PM
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25. Wow!

-----------------------------------------------------
Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/liberalchristians.htm
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:51 PM
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27. Any politico who doesn't get this is either braindead or heartless.
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 11:52 PM by stickdog
Fuck all of them with a burning 2x4.
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:22 AM
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28. Best Dam thing An AMERICAN has said all week nt
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:50 AM
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29. Thank You Andrew!!!
I just had a SCATHING interchange with that asswipe Bill Wattenburg. Came on name calling everyone else at KGO hypocrites and fat asses and blathering about how stupid all of us are for caring about the more URGENT problem in the Katrina aftermath--NOLA and the surrounds.

I am afraid that there are still too many fucked up republicans out there that JUST WON'T SEE or change.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:03 AM
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30. WOW!
What a fantastic letter!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:18 AM
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31. Gonna have to send this to my repub acquaintances!!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:29 AM
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32. This is great!
DemEx
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:29 AM
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33. but if geeb wasn't elected to begin with....
how in hell do these righteous fukks complain about profit ratio's of any government?
"Being a Republican means that you expect the government to do just a couple things for you and nothing else. Build a road. Defend us from enemies, foreign and domestic. Stuff that would be a lot less organized if we all had to do it ourselves. Everything else is just gravy "

when 1/2 the population is under 18 and many are mentally/emotionally ill and EVERYBODY isn't a clear thinking well educated well fed well paid well respected tough guy whose opinions move fukking mountains (and always have!)...we don't have to explain to sons of bitches who only react when their selfishness is affected, but the fact is this planet is MY responsibility, and assholes like this 'republican' have always been the problem...we have ted bundy in the white house MAN!
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:55 AM
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34. Thanks for posting this Kentuck
It gives me hope.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:00 AM
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35. This is simply magnificent. Thank you.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 07:01 AM by terrya
Thank you, Andrew Sullican for posting it on your blog.

Thank you, kentuck for posting it here.

And thanks to that Las Vegas PD officer for saying, brilliantly, what needs to be said and heard. This police officer is a true American patriot.
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POLEIS Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:34 AM
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36. Bottomless cup -- just keep pouring...
"And as we poured money into Department of Homeland Security, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, I thought, "Right on," because some of that money's bound to fall on my head."

This is too much. They are supposed to HAVE planned, past tense! Period.
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bajamary Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:50 AM
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37. Impeach CEO Bush-Now


Enough is enough. I've emailed my Senators Durbin and Obama and my congressperson to begin an impeachment hearing immediately.

We the People should demand that this president be the CEO that he claims to be and resign from his position of honor and trust. Any other CEO whose horrible job performance caused hundreds, perhaps thousands, to die would be fired by the corporations board of directors.

WE (the People) ARE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS of this beleaguered country, and it’s time we demanded our hired CEO leave his job. If he doesn’t, we throw him out via impeachment and a trial in the Senate.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:46 AM
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38. "the audacity to say that "we had no idea the levees would break.""
Tell me about it - even a Republican can see the incompetence of these folks. Bravo! Some of them do have functioning cortex's...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:05 AM
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40. Just like verysleeza rice saying
they didn't imagine they would take planes and fly them into buildings..so they did nothing.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:25 AM
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41. This "lack of imagination" has been pointed out over and over again
with these Republican "leaders". If you think about their basic philosophy, one thing that DOESN'T come to mind is imagination. There are fundamental flaws in conservative thinking - it's why I don't believe they should be permitted to rule for exteneded periods of time...
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:48 AM
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43. Sullivan finally came to his senses n.t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:59 AM
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46. Actually, knock me over with
a feather..Andrew endorsed Kerry for Prez..so he's been coming around for a bit now..bet he's glad.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:59 AM
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44. Wow. Just....wow.
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:29 AM
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45. I hope more people feel this way.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:34 PM
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47. Politicizing this is NOT partisan politics.
This is the politics of NATIONAL SURVIVAL. This is why we MUST politicize this now and call for Bush's resignation or impeachment.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:45 AM
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57. The only reason why some people are saying that
is because they're on marching orders to save Bush's ass. Other wise he can make it all about politics by going down there and doing a few photo's so he can plaster it all over the White House website to show how much he cares (barf).
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:31 PM
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48. Great read. Wow.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:11 AM
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49. Awesome response to total incompetence and indifference.
Thank you for posting it. That was a great read.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:28 AM
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50. All I am seeing now is RAGE
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:36 AM
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52. What a wonderful letter
And it is so heartbreaking and horrible how we don't have any real leadership. People are trying to help but the leadership won't let them. *sigh* It's so dangerous and heartbreaking for everybody.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:57 AM
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59. It's too bad he can't let go of his GOP thing, because he sounds like a
Democrat, sort of, except for his propaganda biases...foo-foo starvation while on welfare not REAL stavation, etc.
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