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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:05 PM
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2000: "I voted for Nader because Gore and Bush are no different!"
2005: "I will never vote for Hillary because she is no different than Bush!"

Same shit, different year.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:10 PM
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1. No its not. The difference is we will not let Hillary pass the primaries.
Unless she changes her tune away from video games and starts talking about issues that concern us.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:19 PM
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5. Hillary will suffocate any competition in the primaries.
They already got more people on the ground than your antiHillary candidate will ever have. She will raise more money over the internet than Howard Dean could imagine. If she wants to, she can raise more corporate money than any Dem in history. She has the greatest political strategist in history advising her and the most professional staff in the Democratic party.

Hillary will be the first woman President.

She is going to ask one question: Were you better off 8 years ago?
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:35 PM
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9. I don't disagree on corporate money, but a dem must do more.
She's got to energize her base, its critical. Hey, don't misread me. I hated Kerry too and fought against him in the primaries, then went out and campaigned for him locally after he got the nomination. I would do the same for Hillary. But my instincts tell me she needs to change her tune, she's misreading her constituency profoundly.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:11 PM
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2. Yup.
And these folks are gonna have the gall to bitch & moan about whom President Frist/Allen/Santorum nominates to the Supreme Court, just after they're done whining about the new "Pharmacist Conscience Rights Bill" that the president signed, after they're done crying about the sodomy laws being reinstated, etc etc..

Don't gimme that "There's no difference" shit. You know damn well that there is.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:16 PM
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3. Just speaking for myself...
I never voted for Nader and have argued endlessly with those who did. I will vote for the Democratic candidate even if that candidate is the lesser of two evils. Less evil is a hell of a lot better than more evil. But I'll argue against Hillary for a number of reasons and I'll argue against the DLC and I'll support other candidates in the primary. And in every way that I can I'll try to do my part to get the Democratic party to be unambiguous in the support of the working person, the middle class, the low income and other vulnerable populations and well as champions of civil liberties.

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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:22 PM
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6. That's pretty much where I am
Primaries --> I fall in love.
General --> I fall in line.

This time around, I've love a Clark/Warner ticket or Warner/Clark. The dual-Southern strategy works well for us electorally. But should Hillary ever get the nod, I'm never, ever gonna vote to cut my head off. I'm not voting for my personal bedroom activities to be made illegal again. I'm not voting for the accelerated weakening of environmental protection. I'm not voting to hold a woman down to an operating table to force her to give birth. I will not be a party to those travesties.
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aspberger Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:35 PM
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8. What about Hillary's courageous attempt to
provide universal health care in the early 90's. She was ahead of her time then but in 2008 SHE WILL BE UNSTOPPABLE. Her time has come.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:54 AM
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10. Bravo to you, UM!!
:yourock:
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:17 PM
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4. Gore and Bush are no different?
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:19 PM by Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Do you still believe that bullshit?

And while you're at it learn proper English. Or do you consider that elitist?

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:28 PM
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7. This message about Missing the Point Entirely brought to you by...
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:28 PM by zulchzulu
...people who thought Gore and Bush were no different (i.e., politically naive and pathetically stupid about the issues) who now continue to prove they are politically naive and unaware of the dynamics politics has...
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