Oh Man....I gotta tune into Fox! I hear they are doing great stuff

[KoKo]

these days. First of all General Wesley Clark has been hired as the War Commentator and he has begun to appear and many folks who have seen him say he's doing a great job explaining why we are in Gitmo and that if only we could get some other nations in to help us it wouldn't be such a bad place and we could redeem our image about what "might" have gone on there in the past. Help in Gitmo from our allies could mean that it isn't an "isolated US Offshore Prison Problem" but an "International Offshore Prison Problem." And...that's good. Spreads the blame..spreads the influence for good stuff to go on there. More "Orange Basted Chicken dinners."

AND....I hear that Hillary and Rupert Murdoch have been chumming it up lately and that Murdoch really isn't as "conservative as we've been led to believe..he's just your average, everyday Corporatist...who knows that Hillary can bring in the big bucks so he supports her. If any other Democrat could get the publicity he is happy to have them on Fox and to give some support to them, too. We should really learn to "like" Rupert because he's a Power House Man of Influence who will be with us a long time...let's just give him some credit because after all didn't his London Newspaper give us the "Gift" of the "DSM Leaks." Not all people with Murdoch's power are necessarily against us...especially when they can help decide who governs us, right?

So...I gotta make sure that I tune in Fox several times a day to see what they are up to with General Clark, good Hillary coverage and even Geraldo is back in Vogue!

Wow...I can't wait to see the hourly reports here on DU from FOX NEWS the network that brought you Bush II, Swift Boat Liars and RW DeLay/Gingrich Repug Filth and Lies for years has now become THE Cable to WATCH!

On the good ship Lollypop....:-)'s

[GetTheRightVote]

1. It will be interesting to see how it all comes out ..........

:kick:

[mike_c]

3. no it won't....

Not even a little bit.

[Paige Whiggens]

45. I'm confused about something

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first post. Hopefully I won't sound way off base here. I've been elated about the Downing Street Memo lately but today I read that it was leaked and published by the London Times. I didn't connect it until today. The London Times is owned by Murdoch. There is NO WAY that man would let that go through on his paper unless he's changed his tune people. Unless there is something in the works to get rid of Bush. It's a known fact that Bush is becoming a liability more so than an asset to them. It's just that I don't trust the whole lot of them and I don't trust the motives of the leaks now.

I think it was wonderful that they were leaked but what are the end results of an impeachment? Will Cheney be impeached also? if so, who takes over? In my opinion, something is going on in Murdoch's camp and it would be good to know what it is. Is he really that caculating that he will pimp the best candidate and own them? Are people that stupid to not see it coming?

[NYCGirl]

46. Murdoch doesn't like Blair and wants a Conservative in the office instead.

Leaking it a few days before the British elections didn't get Blair thrown out, but the Labor party lost a number of seats.

[Texas_Kat]

47. Murdock is politically inscrutable, but his greed is crystal cler

Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Paige Whiggens]

49. Thank you Texas_Kat...:hi:

(I hope I did the smiley right)

I'm assuming you are referring to me. It's great to have found this place. Honest. I live with a very unpolitically motivated people. All except one very Republican friend.

My point with Murdoch is the same way as with people that cheat on their spouses. I've read that if they cheat once they will cheat again. if Murdoch is going to cross the road to whomever will makes him the most money then how in the world would anyone want to deal with him in the first place? If they do work that way how can anyone trust them? I don't care if they are a Democrat or not.

While I think the Downing St Memo's are real I don't trust the messenger (if one can put him in that catagory though)

[NMDemDist2]

50. welcome to DU Paige

:hi:

[hlthe2b]

2. Methinks...

Koko's gone cuckoo!

Faux can stay right where it is (not present in my household!)

[CarolNYC]

5. Koko's just another one upset with all of the attention being paid

to Clark here these days...Go figure....

[graywarrior]

4. Not to mention that Rosie O'Donnel called Bush a war criminal

during an interview with Geraldo.

[norml]

23. I said the same thing about Rosie O`Donnell.

What makes you think that he believes what he spews?
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He knows very well that he's lying, when he lies. I've heard it in the way he puts things together. They on the View let him slide on too much. I had to shut it off in disgust. They didn't call him on the doubling of the commonly used mass grave number. They hadn't done enough research to be able to come up with one accomplishment of Hillary Clinton in the Senate. That's one of his standard rhetorical questions when it comes to talking about her. Don't they even know how to do a web search?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+accomplishments&btnG=Google+Search



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3806225#3806891

[FreedomAngel82]

29. And he let her!

I was surprised. There was a quote sometime last week I read on here that someone posted saying Murdoch was pissed off at Bush and wanted revenge. You have to remember also that Murdoch is a capitalist. If the tide is turning towards the democrats that's where he'll go. So I too am trying to figure it out and why he would hire on General Clark as a pundint. :shrug:

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[CarolNYC]

9. I think the stick has more to do

with the fact that not enough people are bashing Clark for doing it....Go figure...

[Clark2008]

28. Why would someone bash him for reaching out?

I don't get this.

[FreedomAngel82]

30. When I first heard the news

I was a bit shocked, then disappointed and then I knew he would know what he's doing on the show. He's a true blue democrat and he wasn't going to the "dark side" so to speak. I saw the clip of him on Hannity's show and knew he was on there to give his input and all that and he's probably trying to reach out. I've read other Clark supporters say they knew moderate republicans who liked Clark and would've voted for him. So I think that's what Clark is trying to do. Bring some moderates over to the democratic party (at least for 2006 and 2008) and put an end to some propoganda that they spew out.

[The Doctor.]

7. ???????????

I'll believe that when they lose a few of their commentators.

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[KoKo]

11. yes...and they have "sticks to poke up my butt." quoting them...

:eyes:

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[Adelante]

12. Keep making broadbrush slurs on a group of DUers

See where it gets you.

[norml]

21. Help! I'm being oppressed!

[Clark2008]

44. OK... Python always makes me laugh

But, you're not getting away that easily.

I'm more like Wanda than the Pythons. ;)

Russian, Kevin Klein and John Cleese turn me on.

(See... there's common ground!)

[FrenchieCat]

10. Your losing it KooKoo....

Thought you were gonna give it a smidgen of time, prior to weighing with your insightful "judgement".

Didn't know it was gonna be approx 1/2 of a nano-second. :eyes:

[KoKo]

27. I am withholding judgment.about Clark. But, doesn't mean that I or others

should assume that because General Clark is on Faux that we should be encouraged to tune it in every time he appears. For Fox to be suddenly turned into "must watch cable" on DU because of either Clark or Hillary is sort of pushing it in folks face. :shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Even though I respect and like Clark

and he's on fox I don't like the network itself and all they've done. I refuse to watch it but he has my support and is brave for stepping into that filthy studio. I just hope he takes a nice hot shower after being in that place. Ugh!

[Adelante]

35. Who's telling you to watch it?

Nobody :shrug:

[FourStarDemocrat]

48. Who's tuning in? Do you really think we have our tv's set on the Faux?

I'm thrilled that Wes is going to get this much exposure for the progressive /Democratic viewpoint. However, If I want to view the appearances of Wesley Clark on Faux, I know where to download them on people's websites on the net. I haven't had my fox channel on in years and don't plan on turning it on whether he's on it or not.

I'm thrilled that he's on Fox now however, because the millions of people that do have the FNC blasting in their homes, bars, airports and beaty parlors and think they're recieving news will have the opportunity to hear a brilliant Democratic with integrity present the alternative worldview than the crap that would otherwise be spewed out during those minutes on Fox. I'm thrilled about the the new gig . Bravo!!

[HeeBGBz]

13. The only truth out of Fox

Is in their cartoons. Did you see American Dad tonight?

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[NYCGirl]

38. Really? If after he called Fox "the propaganda arm of the GOP" he joined

the staff, I'd suggest he get his head examined. So there's one less Deaniac in your "all".

[KoKo]

15. Hey, if Wes Clark and Hillary Clinton can turn around Murdoch and

make that cable watchable more power to them. Except one would wonder about all the damage that cable did to America all the years when it was on the Dark Side.

you can't expect many of us to suddenly start turning on Fox to see what Clark or anyone else is doing over there.

It's kind of unrealistic to those of us who've seen the damage for so long and are not just now willing to jump in and cheer. :shrug:

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[LittleClarkie]

18. Bad example. Kerry would be tarred and feathered

if he sneezed the wrong way.

[quinnox]

20. No doubt!

[wisteria]

25. Your right about that too! n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

33. LOL

It's true though.

[Adelante]

36. That's for damned sure nt

[KoKo]

19. I don't understand the "lock stepping" behind any candidate when we

just went through a devastating election filled with fraud. Why is it so important to suddenly lock on a candidate at this point. And to feel that anyone who has a question about the candidate needs to be attacked as if we are all freepers here or Swift Boat Liars who need to be wiped out before we do damage?

Lock Step. Why? Is too far away...when we have '06 to worry about. Why campaign 24/7 in a group? Why is that necessary?

[quinnox]

22. I don't know why

And you are right, the endless campaigning here does get irritating.

Can't people tone it down a bit, 2008 is a few years away yet.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Criticism yes, bashing no

my answer is the same as when the topic is Kerry. No lockstep, but fairness should be the watchword.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. With me

I don't care if someone does bash someone else. That's their opinion and they have the right to it. I've bashed other democrats before who I don't like and have been told not to do so and it pissed me off because it's my view and expression. I'm not going to lock step and center with a person just because he is very popular and well loved around here. There are some democrats I really like and respect and even adore and there are some democrats I could care less for. Nobody should take your opinion away from you about someone. I'm not a rightwing "I'll support you because you have a (d) behind your name" asshole loonie. That can be dangerous (look at the republican party today!).

[LittleClarkie]

37. See you're missing the distinction as well

what I think you're talking about is criticism. I'm talking about the kneejerk snark like what we get with Kerry when they call him DLC even when it's blatantly not true. I'm talking about unfair comments. I don't think that's what you're talking about.

[sadiesworld]

41. Hell, I just hope they're getting paid...

otherwise it seems a little creepy. :hide:

[Old and In the Way]

43. I don't understand why you'd post such a nasty opinion that

flames Clark and Hillary supporters.

What's wrong with Clark changing a few minds on Fox? I'll probably not be tuning into Fox, just because I don't particularly like that network. On the otherhand, I'm happy to have a guy like Clark who is articulate and can explain the folly of this administration's ME policies to the people who really need to hear it. I think that can't do anything but help our Party. I'm sure that the FR groupthinkers won't like Clark dumping a dose of reality into their favorite network.....but I think Clark could peal off more of the moderate Republicans with his knowledgeable assessments of this administration's ME policy failures.

[wisteria]

24. I'm wondering that myself! n/t

[CarolNYC]

39. Kerry may well have been tarred and feathered for making the move...

but I would at least hope that it wouldn't be Clarkies doing the tarring and feathering...because Clark has been clear for a long time now about our need to take our message to those who don't currently think Dem....

You're right though....Kerry probably would have taken a big hit for doing it from some folks.

[norml]

31. Of their on air people Juan Williams has been confronting them the most.

Lately he's been much more assertive in telling them that they are wrong.

[Sparkly]

40. KoKo, you're smarter than this.

Please stop and think, rather than react because "It's FOX."

Do we or do we not need votes from people like Fox viewers to win by unstealable margins?

Please read my post re: Clark on Fox...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1869440

[CarolNYC]

42. KoKo, one question...

Who exactly has been asking you to watch Faux??

Thanks much!

[Moderator]

51. Locking as Inflammatory

Thank you.